Harry and RAVEC #2

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I know! The coverage is really bad. If Harry needed armed security RAVEC would provide it. If they don't then he doesn't need it. They have a really good record on keeping people safe.

Great statement.

It really cuts to the heart of the issue. This is about his grievances and paranoia.

There was something in the way Meghan spoke about their marriage in her podcast interview
”this man loves me so much, I have a lovely home and healthy kids… we are in the honeymoon now after the trenches” and that random super Mario enalogy sounded like one of those mumsnet threads where the OP is not happy in their marriage but are trying to list to themselves all the things that are good about it/that they don’t want to disrupt. Not to speculate about them specifically- I think in many marriages you might go through spells where you think - what would I do if we did split, where would I live, how would custody work etc

Perhaps for Harry, he is worried if they did separate, he would be trapped over there as the bespoke ravec arrangements might not cover impromptu to and froing between the us and the uk, or allow him to bring the kids over and be sure they had sufficient protection, or Meghan wouldn’t let them go without top level security.

not that that is the Home Office’s problem to solve though

Nothing ever is good enough for him. That's his problem.

Lord Justice Edis, not Edith!!

I know it isn't your fault but really.

Quite.

I take a mildly personal interest in this case because I know an individual personally whose reports contribute to the decisions of RAVEC. He deals with all manner of assessments of risk related to the royal family, and is a wonderfully competent and compassionate human being.

I am offended on his behalf that the petulant oik known as Prince Harry encourages attacks on his and his colleagues' competence.

(And he deals with a rather large volume of "deranged fan" issues - Harry should take note.)

And all the security in the world won't calm his fears because they are emotional not rational. It is very sad.

Well, we heard a bit about it with Oprah, when she chucked insinuations about the approach to Archie vis a vis his colour, but having told his wife their security would remain exactly the same Harry's somehow now got to face telling her it won't and I don't envy him that - though at least it keeps the pretence that it's really all about risk intact

As for RAVEC "not taking into account racist threats" I'd expect nothing else from the types the BBC like to host, seized as they are by whatever the fashionable diktat happens to be

Probably that it's in the public interest that he and his wife and children get round the clock, permanently on standby armed security as it will affect confidence in the UK if something happens to him. I think he will try to get leave to appeal from the COA and the COA will knock him back; and then he will apply direct to the SC. The man has formed an entire crusader persona around his court cases, I don't think there's any logic or legal analysis in what he's doing. It's all about his ego, his jealously of what his brother has, and giving himself a "noble" purpose outside fake awards ceremonies and being his wife's handbag carrier.

I'm not sure Harry realises that there are many threats made daily against public figures. RAVEC and those they take advice from have a wealth of experience on assessing risk and assigning security.

Harry will have known about the outcome in advance, so he must have decided what his course of action is. We'll probably soon get a statement with all the usual whining and victim act. Maybe there'll be something about whether or not he intends to appeal, although as someone said above, it's unlikely such an appeal would be granted.

Did the judge say anything about costs or will that follow later? I hope Harry is obliged to pay all the HO costs because that is effectively public money that he has wasted.

It does seem to have started with the grandiose Sussex Royal statement calling them IPPs, and the subsequent intervention by the late Queen.

I agree, whatever his reason is for pursuing this case, it has nothing to do with any legal issues.

I foresee some really bitter posts/threads coming from pro H&M posters.

Probably that it's in the public interest that he and his wife and children get round the clock, permanently on standby armed security as it will affect confidence in the UK if something happens to him.

That's not a grounds for a judicial review though. The decision itself is not being challenged, at least not directly, just the procedure by which that decision was reached. The judge seems to have fairly comprehensively dismissed the appeal so as someone said above, he'd need a very good reason to challenge that.

I doubt she understands or is interested in any of it.

Did the judge say anything about costs or will that follow later? I hope Harry is obliged to pay all the HO costs because that is effectively public money that he has wasted

I've no idea what happens about the costs, @IcedPurple, but very much doubt Harry would worry about what this is costing us all - though it does lend an interesting perspective to all those "What do you care, you're not paying for him" posts

I tend to agree. I don't believe Meghan is that invested in these court cases. She is forging her own path and narrative in the US.

I know. It's been clear from the outset that the RAVEC process has been carried out rationally and reasonably. Half the legal argument from his barrister in the COA case was based on things other than the process. I just don't think this failure will stop him applying again. And he will apply on the same grounds using the public interest as the reason the SC needs to hear the arguments. At this point all he'll be doing is applying for leave to appeal, not going straight to another appeal. For all we know he's already sought leave to appeal as he's known the outcome for a good week.

I agree. Meghan doesn't care about anything that isn't about Meghan.

If anything it's a good excuse to not 'allow' Harry to take the children to Britain.

And to add, I doubt he will get leave to appeal (or hope he doesn't as the COA seemed pretty definitive on the matter), but there's nothing stopping him applying for leave.

Agree.

This is at the stage now where some ...errr...kindly Senior NCO type figure needs to step in and and say something along the lines of:

"Sir, with all due respect Sir, you are starting to come over as a complete..!!!!!!, maybe it is time me to desist..Sir"

Now there might have been one or two suitable figures available at BP or elsewhere when he was serving but I guess there are not any at Montecito..

It will give her even more reasons, in her own mind, to keep the children away from their parental family, she'll see it as a win!

It's a really interesting role.

Royals have a special cachet in the minds of those with mental health disorders, because of their innate "specialness' - a politician who was elected doesn't have the same mental triggers. For example, when the Queen and Prince Philip died, there was an uptick in issues with individuals who believed they were secret love children of one or both. And obviously for those who think they ARE the queen, or the rightful heir, the queen's death was a major trigger.

The only reference he ever made relating to H&M was fans coming in from abroad believing Meghan was secretly in love with them (possibly catfished etc). Obviously he isn't very specific about what he does/individual cases.

His work involves assessing for markers of actual risk of these individuals in terms of making and whether or not they're actively planning to carry out an attack. He has two decades of experience in dealing with such individuals. And he's just one member of the team.