Harry and RAVEC #2

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Very unlikely I would say.

He’s lost the case!

I'm sure he would have been in court if he had won.

This quote is what the BBC are running with a a headline. He doesn't come out of it well.

I think there's a very good chance he will be applying to appeal to the Supreme Court (even though he really has no legal grounds). The man cannot deal with the word "no".

“I could not say that the Duke's sense of grievance translated into a legal argument for the challenge to Ravec decision…The conclusion, in my judgement, with which my colleagues Lord Justice Bean and Lord Justice Edith agreed, was that the Duke of Sussex's appeal would be dismissed”

I wish the BBC would point out that it is Harry's paranoia that is keeping his children away from the UK, not facts.

Why do you say that, @MrsLeonFarrell?

Don't you just love these elegantly phrased slapdowns ...

Logically, though, what's Harry lost except the response he wanted to his endless tantrums? He quite rightly still get security in the UK, decided by those who understand these things and in a manner which suits the circumstances

Sounds fair enough to me, but then it always did and nobody's ever been able to explain why it wasn't good enough - not even Harry's more avid fans

Exactly. I wish the press would point out that Harry has lost nothing. He gets and will continue to get security. The problem is in his head not reality.

Just heard a legal expert say that he can try to appeal via the Supreme Court but would need a VERY good reason to do so and it would need to be in the public’s interest.

I think he will try to appeal. Harry doesn't seem able to let this go and until he has exhausted every legal angle he will keep going and therefore continuing to cost the taxpayer money in legal defense fees.

I keep saying this on these threads but this isn't about the legal arguments or factual threats, it's about how Harry feels. He believes there is a threat, he believes he doesn't get enough security and until he changes that belief, or runs out of legal options, he won't quit.

I can't see him winning the right to appeal given how narrowly he won the right to the appeal he just lost.

Yes, Serenster explained this upthread, and while we can't yet know if he'll appeal again I expect the fact Harry wants it would count as a "very good reason" in his own febrile mind, and that for him the "public interest" would follow from that

After all, wasn't his barrister at pains to say what a dreadful effect it would have on the UK if anything happened to him?

Tom Symonds for the bbc just referred to this as “the latest stage” of his court battle. That does seem to imply it’s not over (for Harry) yet. When would costs be decided upon? Only if and when Harry confirms if he’s appealing yet again?

From the DM, is this correct.? He gets uk security but not uk armed security and that’s what he was fighting against ?

“It means that for now, armed police bodyguards, paid for by the British taxpayer, will not be reinstated for him, Meghan and their two children when they are in the UK.”

edit. Sorry I can’t remove that hyper link.

The judge said the downgrade in security was an understandable decision in response to Harry stepping down as a working royal and leaving the country.

I'm sure Harry will try to appeal, his barristers don't seem very invested in helping him make good financial decisions.

BBC keeping going on about how he will continue because he wants to bring his children here. Can someone there please point out he can bring them now. He has security.

This must have taken up a great deal of the court’s valuable time. Hopefully that’s the end of the matter and Harry can finally let it go.

He will have security appropriate to the level of risk. If that means armed security he will get armed security. If the risk level doesn't justify armed security, he won't.

Like the rest of his family, excluding Charles, Camilla, William and Catherine.

A talking head on the BBC is saying that RAVEC aren't taking into account the racist threats made against him! What rubbish. I'm sure Harry thinks he isn't getting enough security but RAVEC will know far more about credible current threats than he does and are able to make appropriate decisions.

I will the BBC would stop reporting Harry's feelings as facts.

Apart from not knowing if he'll appeal again I broadly agree, MrsLF, but would add it may be that, knowing his wife will never allow the kids to come to the UK with him alone, he's using the purported threats/security argument to avoid what the real issue could be

If the courts had given him every last thing he wanted and Meghan still refused to let them travel here without her that might have brought the problem right to his own front door, and I rather doubt he'd relish that

That makes sense.

, I thought he was getting armed security when he visited, but just had to notify in advance of his travel.

What grounds could he use this time?

I'm interested in what Meghan thinks about all this. I don't think I've ever seen information about her views.

He can’t bring his OWN armed security here.

Quite rightly so.

What are the BBC on?? Glue??