Harry and RAVEC #2

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Thank you for sharing. It's a really interesting subject and so stressful for those making the assessments.

The Court of Appeal's judgement today will be "hugely disappointing for Prince Harry", a royal commentator says.
Speaking to the BBC News channel, Afua Hagan says the duke will be disappointed at losing his appeal.

"He feels that it's not safe for them to travel with him, and that means he probably won't come back to the UK with his family for the foreseeable future," she says.

Hagan adds there is a possibility Harry could take his appeal even further by taking it to the Supreme Court – but he would need permission from the High Court to do that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp34k42pkvnt

He feels that it's not safe for them to travel with him, and that means he probably won't come back to the UK with his family for the foreseeable future," she says.

Why is it not safe if his security needs are tailored to him and his family for each visit? Let's remember it's the taxpayer paying for his security in any case. He is afforded bespoke security paid for by the public.

Such a manipulative comment.

I think he’s doing it for optics because the way this case is being reported you would think

• he was being denied security. He’s not. He’s being denied the kind of security he wants.
• he’s been told he can’t bring his own armed security in or pay to access the Met Police
• what he will have is security and that means that when he does come, it is possibly entirely likely he does have armed security, just that they are not going to talk about it.
• and no he won’t get this security outside of the UK.

To me it’s fairly simple. He gets pretty high level security when he’s here. If he brings his family and stays at Buckingham Palace I am 99% sure he would have armed guards. If he’s meeting the King he would have security.

The BBC woman going on about Diana and the allegations of racism. Well, I am sure RAVEC takes all that into account when providing him with security. Even if he’s stupid enough to think they don’t. It doesn’t look good for them or the Met Police if anything happened to him.

There is in his head a level of security he’s entitled to and a level of security he is getting. And I am suspect the difference between the two in the UK is very very small. So back to my point this is about optics and repeating the argument that he’s been singled out. And it’s about trying to get global security that he doesn’t have to pay for. And that’s not going to happen now.

It makes me think of Amanda in Motherland who makes out her husband adores her but her marriage is actually very unhappy.

It's worth adding I guess that one can see why you would be spooked by the excess interest - especially Meghan as an outsider, and especially on behalf of the children. (If you watch the catfish episode with the guy who thinks he's engaged to Katy Perry for example)

But I really fail to see how Harry, with his much closer relationship with the territory, could fail to see that these people do an immaculate job when it comes to Royals and VIPs. If anything, it's MPs who have a much more exposed profile, with two murdered in the past decade.

I can't bear Afua Hagan No shit Sherlock he will be disappointed. Not sure why any of us are supposed to care about whether Harry comes back to the UK or brings his American wife and children with him (at least one of whom is an American citizen). It's mostly a private family matter whether there's any upset over them not coming back. Lucky them that, if they do come back and give RAVEC the paltry 28 days' notice they need to give, they will get top notch security and no doubt the offer of palace accommodation. Best tourist experience ever!

Bloody hell Harry is still costing us a fortune. He is totally obsessed with his status, clinging on like a limpet. He is the one (or ghost writer) who wrote about chess pieces and his number of kills not RAVEC.

All this bollocks about the UK not being safe but he is happy to go to Ukraine and Colombia. He is living in cloud cuckoo land. We should be thankful that he and Meg went off to the states instead of freeloading off the tax payers.

That was an odd interview. She was saying that Harry can't bring his children over as a result of this decision. But the reality is that Harry is choosing not to bring his children over because of his own fear. The children would receive security if they came. I wish people would stop presenting Harry's beliefs as facts.

I've already seen one on aother site saying that KC doesn't care if his son is killed 🙄

This judgement will suit Meghan very well.

It (1) allows her to maintain a "I'm the victim of race-based threats in the UK, the only place I've ever experienced them" (2) ensures that Harry doesn't go back to his family or the UK (3) ensures Harry remains financially and emotionally dependent on her, and therefore won't leave her (4) allows her to play Lady Compassionate with "I've been wanting him to drop all this for years and just look forward, but my dashing prince just loves me so much that he puts himself through hell to keep my safe" (5) allows her and her children to dodge awkward encounters at funerals and coronations (6) allows her to continue trying to get what she wants from the RF while keeping the whole family thousands of miles away.

In fact, this is the best possible outcome for MM. Harry getting the sort of security that would have permitted him to bring his children to the UK would have meant an unravelling of the life they have in Montecito, would have opened it up to difficult situations for her at home and abroad.

As for Harry - I feel sorry for him in the way that I feel sorry for a drunkard who falls over and injures himself. Brought it on himself, no right to complain, but ouch it must hurt. He's ruined his life. Things may have been bad pre-Meghan, but I simply cannot see how they're better now (other than having two children who I'm sure he loves dearly).

Great post.

Also, a litigant can't unilaterally decide to appeal to the Supreme Court. He must be given leave to appeal.

Also, the Supreme Court only rules on questions of law. The court today said that there was no legal case for them to consider. Ergo, no point of law in contention.

This is it for Harry. He has no further legal recourse. He's snookered himself because he's said he's not happy with what's on the table, and has been told it's that or nothing. What choice does this dragon-slayer have but to opt for nothing?

He really has shot himself in the foot hasn't he ? IF it all goes tits up in Montecito where on earth will he go?

If he were able to stay at Windsor castle or Buck Pal then the security needed would be just for the journey from the airport and when not in the residence. But with the family estrangement he has to stay in a hotel so thinks he’s more exposed. But actually, if the family aren’t wanting to see them (the 4 of them) he doesn’t have much reason to bring the kids anyway. Perhaps he thought short trips without Meghan would be possible if he could get the security. But I am not sure she would allow that anyway.

i wonder if the case was also a stepping stone for him to try and elevate them to IPP status so they could cut their annual security bill. Living in a country with guns and Harry’s level of paranoia, their security bill must be sky high.

https://apple.news/AD7NdCqkTR-q-E_-pIl7mjg

this is the suns less sycophantic take on it!!

Will People now have ’sources’ disclosing some of the ‘shocking’ things Harry supposedly heard during the closed door hearings.

Harry already receives the sort of security that would enable him to bring his children here. He chooses not to because of his paranoia and refusal to trust that RAVEC can make an appropriate assessment around his security needs each time he visits.

I don't believe this is about Meghan at all. I'm not saying she is desperate to bring the kids over, she is probably quite happy staying in her own country. But at heart I don't think this is about Meghan at all, I think it's purely about Harry's paranoia, poor mental health and refusal to accept that he is not as politically important as William is to the UK.

The only feasible outcome is that Harry stays put, his California life as it is, until something changes. And that will be when his children are old enough to make choices for themselves. By the time they're 18/19/20yo, he'll be in his 50s, William will be on the throne. His children will have no nexus to the UK. They'll be just like every American college kid, but with issues and problems you wouldn't wish on anyone of their age. Harry will have become used to the RF calling the shots in the Britain-related elements of his life, and his wife calling the shots in his California life. He'll be doing nothing much with his life except live day by day, amusing and distracting himself, getting stoned or drunk moaning about everyone and everything. MM will continue to hang onto every thread of relevance, and there will be fewer and fewer as the years pass by. Harry is already husk of a man, already full of regret for the enormous, huge losses in his life. It's a lot for a man of his age.

It's all so, so sad. Quite a story, starting with the young boy whose parents divorced so publicly and horribly.

Does he really WANT to bring his wife and children to the UK? What for? He is no longer a working royal. He has cut contact with his dad and his brother. He's hardly going to pop in for one of the kids' birthdays. His children will be educated in California. His wife has no interest in being here at all.

I'm not sure how true it is but every time he visits there is a story that he rejected accommodation offered by the King. He chooses to stay in hotels.

Of course they do.

It's says a lot about Harry that he thinks breaching confidentiality is a good way to force the court to give him better security.

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and the dm , implying that Harry will need to pay costs.

Surely, his assertion that he won't be able to return to the UK with his family "for the foreseeable future" is a positive (and not just for the UK taxpayers)?

I live near William and Kate (not like cup of sugar borrowing close 😂) and when dog walking you can see the outriders waiting in the lay-by so you know someone is coming.
Usually the side road/any intersecting traffic will be held as the cars-usually 3 if it is a regular engagement- get close, the outriders go in front, sides and back. Sirens on.
And off they go. I think Harry (and meghan) want that. He has such a complex about not getting what William gets and who wouldn't want all the traffic stopped and to drive through in a blaze of sirens and grandeur??

I have been in London right by the edge of Hyde Park-heading to Hyde Park Corner when King Charles and Camilla were passing and loads of armed police stood by all the crossings and blocked all of the pedestrians. That is a busy place with loads of tourists and places to cross so the police literally lined all of the roads so no one could run out. Then the outriders and about 5 cars and I think maybe police cars as well as outriders.
London stood still so they could pass.
It is quite impressive to see.

Harry has seen that and he wants it. I think he wants it for him, but also for Meghan because I think she seems to have thought that is what it would be like for her. Look at how she rocked up to that Broadway show recently.