Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

Ah but we negate to understand that Charles is actually quite tight with the money and despite his cuddly persona at times not a pushover. Reportedly, after Harry’s many shouting matches down the phone at him demanding more money the Queen asked him why didn’t he just give it and he said: I’m not a bank. I did think he would be soft when he became King but he is quite the business man.

By All accounts, and they are accounts, he stopped taking calls because Harry was just shouting at him. About money, about security. I figure William just can’t be bothered. But he’s the one who still has the family and the friends.

It won't be particularly controversial. The majority of reasonable people see that Harry potentially becoming King would end the monarchy. He doesn't live here. Doesn't want to live here. I suspect there won't be much of an objection to his removal. Eminently sensible for the country.

I’m sure he thinks if he can rally the public behind him that KC will also just pay for security to shut him up.
except he doesn’t have the general public behind him.

Well I don't see what the taxpayer should fund his problems. They are singing for their suppers and if Charles was to use a small proportion of his huge wealth to make this probelm go away he ought to do it. It's effectivley a Royal divorce.

Princess Diana's divorce settlement with Prince Charles in 1996 was reported to be around £17 million (approximately £30 million adjusted for inflation).

This settlement also included her security costs, and she was given the title of Princess of Wales and access to her two sons, Prince William and Prince Harry, with an agreement that they would be financially supported for life.

While the exact details of the agreement were kept private, it’s generally understood that the settlement was designed to be generous, ensuring Diana's financial independence after the divorce.

I don't think much of this is on Meghan. It is obvious from Spare that Harry has lived with a sense of entitlement and anger at what he sees as not being treated on a par with William for most of his life. Add in his unresolved trauma over his mums death and he is a dumpster fire of anger, trauma and entitlement. None of that is Meghan's doing and they married so quickly she can't have known who he was. I'm not saying she is perfect, the bullying is on her but I don't think she caused any of this, it was there before she came on the scene.

Good on the King. It's for Harry's own good. He should have told his wife that spending £1million on clothes in a year when you aren't wife of the heir is a bit of a mistake if you want to look like you genuinely need the cash.

If HMLTQ can give £12 million for 1 year to make the Andrew problem go away (it didn't) then c 50 million for Harry seems eminently sensible.

He was given a divorce of sorts to set him up. Something like 4 million which may or may not have included help with down payments on the house. Which Charles did help,with. It was in the accounts for the Duchy of Cornwall. A divorce is different from setting a child up. Which Charles did. It worked out at something like 3 years of what he usually got from the Duchy.

also she wasn’t given access to her children. How vile. They shared custody. With both at boarding school it was only really holidays so I doubt there was a primary physical custodian.

It did go away and they basically told him to go away. They did that for her 70. And as seen by Charles and the Queens attitudes Charles was t going to do that.

There was a thread about how useless an NDA would be when the one holding it does not want to enforce it. Harry taking a settlement with a signed NDA would not be worth the paper it's written on. Why would the royal family enter an agreement that would force them into court because Harry cannot control his mouth, nevermind its basically blackmail.Hed be back within a few years with another reason.

And Kate spending something like a 5th of that. And she the heirs wife.

Even worse than that, Harry was busy briefing the press before the hearing. (I posted this information on another thread thinking it may have been Sentebale related), There’s obviously no way of knowing what he was planting or leaking about, but Harry has grabbed the front pages since he arrived in London……he is such a hypocrite and does exactly what he complains about others doing. He’s the ultimate manipulator.

I think if you break an NDA you can be sued. Whether you are or not is another days work. They are really common now in areas where they have no business being. In health and education for example, to protect institutions and basically leaders who have not acted or behaved in the right way. There proper use is to protect the vulnerable really.

Sorry, just catching up, and this likely will have been pointed out already.

But what has KP leaked? Exactly?

It's Harry who informed the Press he was in Ukraine. And now it's Harry informing the Press of information discussed in closed court sessions.

What has KP leaked?

No it doesn’t. He left to be privately funded remember so that would include his security

I agree. Meghan has stayed away from Spare and the court cases and even leaked that she regrets how much of a toll the court cases have taken (or something very similar).

It wasn’t but a relationship is separate from the two individuals and is it’s own being. I think they have enabled the worst in each other to be fair. What happens in that space between two people can be any of the four elements. And they seem to be all fire and air. Rising each others anger and encouraging eachother to send it out.

After the horse has bolted. How about her acting as a positive influence on her husband. A good partner enables you to be more than you could ever have imagined. The opposite can be catastrophic.

Boris Johnson is a former PM who will have had access to state secrets. Keeping him protected from potential kidnapppers and similar is a matter of national security.

The same is not true for the 5th in line.

His a moron 🤣 it's not like they kept him locked up in the tower! He could have left whenever he wanted

Harry is the least of KP’s worries at the moment. I don’t think they leaked. I do think they enabled certain articles to appear which from their point of view corrected the narrative put forward by Harry and Meghan. Call that planting if you like but it was a defensive move. Harry’s have all been offensive. But in sport it’s as much about the defensive as it is the attack.

Harry needs to play the ball not the man.

I agree. Bu I think in his mind he is doing.

I think he does. But the reality is no one explained the ultimate fact that relationships are all about power. Who has it, uses it and how they do it. Also he wasn’t listening that day in school when actions and consequences were explained and how if you throw the ball it’s literally now in another’s hands and they have all the power. I mean did he never see saw as a child. Did no one explain the fact that human interactions can be a game of chess.

I'm a bit surprised that Harry can get away with making comments about the court case when it's a) ongoing and b) he's referring to a closed part of the hearing. Is he really legally allowed to do this?