Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

I remember when their decision to leave hit the headlines 5 years ago, the very first thing many people said was 'What will happen about their security?' I'm talking 'ordinary' people, not experts. How could Harry possibly not have known that his decision to move across the world as a private citizen would have implications on his British taxpayer funded security? He really is not capable of living in the real world, practically or emotionally.

I'm UK born and bred — and just joking, of course! That law refers to something that might be treason but isn’t listed in the statute. In that case, judges are supposed to pause and refer it to Parliament to decide whether it counts as treason or just a regular felony. Ain’t gonna happen.

A son of the King going rogue in the modern era, drenched in social media, is pretty much uncharted territory — especially when it throws shade on the current heir and the rest of the family.

KC and William will have NO sway over RAVEC decisions . And why does Harry think that people would care? He’s a 40 year old child having a meltdown because hard the word no.

Exactly.

As we discussed in the previous thread, Harry's 'wants' are irrelevant. His needs are being kept under constant review by the highly competent experts, and that should be more than enough for him.

I think he's struggling with the fact that his departure really made no impact on the functioning of the royal family. He and his wife thought that 'they' would bend over backwards to prevent them leaving, but basically they said 'We're sorry to see you go but it's your choice'. I think he deeply resents them for that, and is playing out those resentments in the courtroom. At public expense.

There’s a lot of supposition masquerading as fact when it comes to the whole H&M circus. We don’t actually know the inner mechanics of his marriage or his personal wellbeing — but on the surface, and in public, they appear mostly happy and thriving. I think that really annoys the haters who are banking on his imminent downfall and abandonment by the world.

Ain’t gonna happen.

This is part of the new “royal” landscape, and the institution would do well to accommodate it — if only for the sake of its own future health.

I think Harry is being really calculating here. He is telling everyone that there is something really bad in the secret evidence that no one is allowed to see. So we just have to take his word for it. We know that his perception of things is often faulty or skewed but no one else is able to assess the evidence to see whether it is actually bad or not. It's similar to what they did on Oprah. Make a series of claims secure in the knowledge that the other side can't answer back. Or in this case, dispute what Harry is claiming as the evidence is not able to be made public. Must be infuriating for everyone else to have to deal with this man's unreasonable behavior.

No he wants the same level everywhere he goes in the world. Basically a big fancy entourage paid for by the UK tax payer and it’s really just so they feel important. He already gets security here.

Charles removing Harry permanently from the line of succession would be a constitutional decision, not a family one.

Charles and William seem to be able to understand that family and State duties are separate, Harry seems to think they are intertwined.

William and his family like to fly together, a practice the late Queen discouraged for obvious reasons. If there were ever to be a terrible accident, Harry and Meghan would be King and Queen.

Charles could recommend this Act to safeguard the monarchy from Harry now, and still hope his DC reconcile in future, I don’t think they are mutually exclusive actions.

Harry couldn’t blame William for this, as Charles’ signature would be on the contract, so to speak.

Harry is trying to throw shade but at this point I don't think it is sticking. When they first left their accusations got traction but now, I doubt many believe his statement that the King is in charge of his security. The more detached he is from reality the less convincing are his threats. The monarchy is just fine, but i don't think Harry is. He needs help.

I see. 😊
I agree with your points, apart from the last phrase. I'm not sure how Harry's behaviour has "thrown shade" on William. I never had much time for William, but I feel that he has been very badly treated by his brother and this has all been very unnecessary and unpleasant.
I'm being genuine when I say that I hope Harry gets help, because he just seems so angry and bitter.

No way will Parliament touch this — absolutely no way. It’s meddling with the plumbing of an archaic institution, and fiddling with it will only cause the whole dumpster fire to flare up again.

And the titles? They don’t really matter. Harry and co. will still exist — and that’s the real problem for some people.

Someone mentioned on the last thread about Harry thinking and posting on the internet that they were IPPs already and would therefore always have security paid. I didn't notice this at the time, and only started paying attention to the case this year. Is there a screenshot? I'd love to know exactly what he said.

If H and M become king and queen, the UK would become a Republic. There is absolutely no way people would stand for it. So the reasonable thing is removing Harry from the line of succession and requiring anyone in the line of succession to have been brought up in the UK (like many other monarchies require of potential heads of state). This will mean his children won't have a claim even if Harry isn't removed.

The monarchy has been going for 1000 years and has weathered far worse. Charles needs to be ruthless to protect it, like his ancestors. And luckily these days he won't have to execute anyone! Just remove some irritating titles that mean nothing to the Sussexes, as Meghan always used to say!

That’s what the court case is about @NautilusLionfish but many of his public statements have been about how annoyed he is that his security was ‘removed’. What he fails to recognise is that no one else predominantly lives abroad and retains Met security.

I would imagine if say Boris decamps to the US or some other fleshpot he will get his round the clock security come what may.

Apparently they sought advice about Meghan and Harry and were advised no contact.

I do think if true this is sound advice especially whilst Meghan is about. The amount of stress and anguish they must’ve caused and no one needs to indulge people who treat them badly call them racists and demand a public apology for their racism before they can see their Grandchildren.

Harry will have to live with the consequences of marrying Meghan. Although it’s pretty clear he is bit simple and it was a piece of cake for somone like Meghan to manipulate. It’s a sad tale and no one would want a family to be torn apart like that but the RF are doing the right thing no contact leaving them to it. They’ve got their own health to look after.

It will protect the monarchy from the threat of the UK becoming a Republic which would happen if Harry became king. They will remove the titles and his right to be in the line of succession eventually.

Can't realistically be done. 15 Parliaments are bot going to find time for a family squabble they are busy enough as they are;

Great question — and it’s one that taps into both constitutional law and the weird quirks of monarchy. Here’s how it would (and wouldn’t) work:
🧬 Can King Charles just remove Harry and his kids from the line of succession?
No — not on his own. The King doesn't have the power to unilaterally change the line of succession. This isn't Game of Thrones — it's UK constitutional monarchy territory.
🏛️ So how could it happen?
It would require an Act of Parliament. Here's the process:

1. Draft Legislation: A bill would need to be introduced — probably called something like the Succession Reform Act or similar.
2. Pass in Parliament: It would need to pass both the House of Commons and the House of Lords.
3. Royal Assent: Ironically, King Charles would then have to give royal assent to the very law that removes his own son and grandchildren from the succession.

⚠️ This would be politically explosive. It would raise constitutional questions, set a modern precedent, and potentially cause major public backlash — depending on why it was being done. 🌐 And because the monarchy is a Commonwealth institution… The UK can’t act alone. Under the Perth Agreement (2011), all 15 realms that share the British monarch — like Australia, Canada, New Zealand — would have to agree and pass equivalent laws to change the rules of succession. So... it’s a bureaucratic nightmare. 👶 Why it’s tricky with Harry’s kids: Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet are:

• Born into the line under the Succession to the Crown Act 2013, which removed gender bias and updated marriage rules.
• Still eligible because Harry hasn’t renounced his place or been removed by law.

So unless Parliament passes a very specific law removing them by name (which would look very petty and targeted), they stay in line — even if they never take up royal duties. 🧨 Bottom line:

• Charles can’t do it himself.
• Parliament could, but it would be a huge deal.
• And Harry & co. staying in the line, even symbolically, is part of what keeps the pot boiling for critics.

un he is deluded at best. I suspect that they did caution him that leaving the uk may not be wise but for different reasons to what he is stating. Outside of the uk they cannot control his security but crucially he wouldn’t get custody of his dc if they split and he returned to the uk, he doesn’t receive money for royal duties, he had to buy housing and so on - he’s simply not able to look after himself it seems, i suspect the trauma of loosing his mum and not having the best support coupled with not being brought up to actually work didn’t help. I’m sure the next generation are being raised very differently.

I'm obviously not question your post as you've obviously spent time on it and I don't know otherwise, but the law was changed easily for Charlotte. Removing Harry is not like removing a direct heir. He's not that important.

Harry could abdicate and solve all the problems. In that case, Charles could negotiate a one-off divorce settlement and bundle security, NDAs, etc., into that. Let’s say £50 million — job done.

@MrsLeonFarrell "I agree with a PP that this might be evidence that he has been told he is going to lose, that he can't appeal, and is escalating in response."

One can only hope

It's ChatGPT so I assume it's correct.

A lot of people are not able to look after themselves though. Often finding a partner who enjoys the caring, co dependent style attachment and it works for everyone. I actually think, that contrary to what Harry now thinks, that he was very loved in all those ways that fails to call people to account for the things they do. Also he is his mother’s son. She was paranoid and slightly delusional. Now you think back on it, not actually a well woman or one would any kind of analytical intelligence.

The Act of Succession was changed to amend gender inequalities and religious restrictions enshrined in law. Hence, the Perth Agreement of 2011 was not controversial and did not involve named individuals.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth_Agreement