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smilesy · 2025-04-11T18:04:55+00:00

Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

BigWillyLittleTodger · 16/04/2025 19:07

The Great Sausage Injustice of 1995 😂 This would make a great user name!

Uricon2 · 16/04/2025 19:22

My2cents1975 · 16/04/2025 18:08

I have a question...What do my fellow posters mean when they say H can "go nuclear"?

H has already assembled an army of bots that attacks his family of origin including the children with G receiving death threats from Squaddies on X. Every day bots attack all royal and royal friendly posts across social media platforms. We have all seen the SS in action, especially in March-April 2024.

To date, H's SS has gleefully accused W of murder, adultery, domestic violence, racism, being homosexual, kinky sex acts and more. What exactly is going nuclear, if this wasn’t going nuclear?

What else can H say? That W prefers boxers to briefs? That W prefers Biomin toothpaste to Colgate? I am genuinely curious as to what more H say that hasn't been said, which would constitute "going nuclear"?

I get what you're saying about how bad it has been thus far @My2cents1975 but we don't know what he would say, if he's deluded enough to think the RF will never, ever fight back and he may be. Royal life is such a goldfish bowl that he'll have heard things and I wouldn't put any amount of embroidery past him while speaking "his truth",or even making things up. he has a scanty aquaintance with the "actual" truth and "actual" facts, as we know.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 16/04/2025 19:43

smilesy · 16/04/2025 18:31

Accusations of what, though? As pp said, there really isn’t much else he can accuse anyone of 🤷‍♀️

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This way they are rumours/allegations but I think it would be different if Harry came out with them directly? Not that he has much credibility left anyway!

BasiliskStare · 16/04/2025 20:00

From the LJ Article

"A ruling is expected over the next few weeks, but could Charles not have greased the wheels of Harry’s bid for security. This makes Charles look unyielding and - if he cannot overrule the Royal and VIP Executive Committee (the body that decides on the levels of security) - powerless and weak. " 😂

Risible ignorance (& she must know it) Charles cannot overrule a govt committee. I'm surprised that Harry didn't complain his case was being put forward by a KC - King's Counsel - "Oh don't want one of those - part of Pa's cohort"

"He must realise that high-profile visits from Harry and Meghan, Archie and Lilibet in tow, would enliven our interest and affection for the Royal Family. "

I haven't got H&M's current popularity ratings in the UK to hand but I would venture they do not support "affection" 😉

Teacher's note. Ms Jones. Please try harder . Show your workings. 🎓🤓

Anyway it doesn't matter. It's funny rather than serious. If you're paid to write controversial things that's what you do. She's probably happy she thinks she's poked the hornets' nest but frankly I think she's jumped the shark ( to horribly mix some wildlife metaphors ) 😂

Profhilodisaster · 16/04/2025 20:25

What else can H say

We don't know what he knows (if anything) that may harm or embarrass the RF . As in any family, I'm guessing there would have been conversations or arguments that should remain private but Harry could reveal if he wanted to.

Lunde · 16/04/2025 20:27

My2cents1975 · 16/04/2025 16:28

KC3 is no spring chicken and with cancer, his days ahead are not as plentiful as he would have hoped when he acceded to the throne. KC3 needs to think of what is best for the continuity of the Crown and exclude H&M's reaction from any decision-making process.

H&M can storm and rage and scream and allege that every member of the royal family is a racist shape-shifting lizard. So what? No matter what agreement H&M make, they will violate it, and we are seeing the Sandringham agreement being violated in real time. Any NDAs signed will be circumvented by leaking via proxies such as Omid Scobie. There is no point dealing with bad-faith individuals and the royal family should continue to proceed with grey rocking on maximum.

At the end of the day, H is irrelevant and so is his line. Princess Margaret started off as 5th and rose to the heady heights of 2nd in line. Today, less than a century later her highest ranked descendent is 26th...and falling. Prince Edward is not yet a grandfather and soon afterwards the great-grandchildren of QE2 will start to pair up and have kids themselves. If the Earl of Snowdon lives to be 90, he could well descend from 26th to somewhere in the "late 40s to 50s" in line to the throne.

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Exactly - Harry is dropping further down the line of irrelevance - look at Princess Anne - started 2nd - dropped to 4th and now down to 18th.

I do really hope that they have shored up any regency arrangements if anything should happen to William. As it stands now I think Harry might be regent until George comes of age.

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smilesy · 16/04/2025 20:32

Lunde · 16/04/2025 20:27

Exactly - Harry is dropping further down the line of irrelevance - look at Princess Anne - started 2nd - dropped to 4th and now down to 18th.

I do really hope that they have shored up any regency arrangements if anything should happen to William. As it stands now I think Harry might be regent until George comes of age.

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No it would probably be Catherine that would be regent

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MayaKovskaya · 16/04/2025 20:38

Lunde · 16/04/2025 20:27

Exactly - Harry is dropping further down the line of irrelevance - look at Princess Anne - started 2nd - dropped to 4th and now down to 18th.

I do really hope that they have shored up any regency arrangements if anything should happen to William. As it stands now I think Harry might be regent until George comes of age.

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No, there's no way that would be allowed.
Can you imagine?! No, Catherine would be regent as pp have said.

Vespanest · 16/04/2025 20:45

There is as much threat as to what Harry can make up and there is in what he knows, I'd even argue more of a threat.

utterexasperation · 16/04/2025 20:56

I really can't imagine anyone taking Harry seriously in another book. He is increasingly coming across like a pathetic fool. He's a grown man baby. He needs to grow the fuck up.

My2cents1975 · 16/04/2025 21:14

Vespanest · 16/04/2025 20:45

There is as much threat as to what Harry can make up and there is in what he knows, I'd even argue more of a threat.

I think this is where my opinion differs from other posters.

No-one who matters will care about any future "revelations" which may be salacious and cause comment for a couple of news cycles but will be lost in other more urgent news...tariffs, council taxes, wars, defense spending, etc.

If you told people in the 1990s that Camilla would be Queen when she was the "most hated woman in the UK", most people would have laughed. Time is the RF's greatest weapon and all they need to do is to wait H out.

IMHO, H is not a threat, he is an irritation that will be solved by the passage of time and H's behavior to date is accelerating his descent into irrelevance.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 16/04/2025 21:18

My2cents1975 · 16/04/2025 21:14

I think this is where my opinion differs from other posters.

No-one who matters will care about any future "revelations" which may be salacious and cause comment for a couple of news cycles but will be lost in other more urgent news...tariffs, council taxes, wars, defense spending, etc.

If you told people in the 1990s that Camilla would be Queen when she was the "most hated woman in the UK", most people would have laughed. Time is the RF's greatest weapon and all they need to do is to wait H out.

IMHO, H is not a threat, he is an irritation that will be solved by the passage of time and H's behavior to date is accelerating his descent into irrelevance.

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I think you're right. It's just a matter of the RF holding its nerve until Harry burns out!

Butteredtoast55 · 16/04/2025 21:26

There's also the matter of publishers waking up to the fact that he might not be telling the truth. They're lucky the RF are sensible enough not to go down the litigation route.

JSMill · 16/04/2025 21:28

Profhilodisaster · 16/04/2025 20:25

What else can H say

We don't know what he knows (if anything) that may harm or embarrass the RF . As in any family, I'm guessing there would have been conversations or arguments that should remain private but Harry could reveal if he wanted to.

I think a great majority of the population have troublesome relationships with close family and therefore view ‘revelations’ as a bit suspicious. Harry doesn’t realise he is not from the only dysfunctional family in the country. Most of us appreciate the ups and downs of family life and that no one is completely bad or good, normally.

BasiliskStare · 16/04/2025 21:43

@My2cents1975 & @wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting

I do agree time is on the RF side. I think I may have used this paraphrase before but I'll repeat it ( never claimed to have an extensive repertoire 😊)

“Though the mills of the RF grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small"

ButterCrackers · 16/04/2025 21:47

Butteredtoast55 · 16/04/2025 21:26

There's also the matter of publishers waking up to the fact that he might not be telling the truth. They're lucky the RF are sensible enough not to go down the litigation route.

Imagine publishing a book about his family when his father is undergoing cancer treatment. I can’t see that being a best seller.

NewAgeNewMe · 16/04/2025 21:48

It didn’t stop his wife going on Oprah when his grandfather was dying so I can’t see Charles having cancer treatment will stop him.

StartupRepair · 16/04/2025 21:52

I think the grey rock/enough rope is working. H and M's lies and lack of talent are being exposed solely through their own actions.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 16/04/2025 22:27

StartupRepair · 16/04/2025 21:52

I think the grey rock/enough rope is working. H and M's lies and lack of talent are being exposed solely through their own actions.

And it’s clearly driving him insane, he’s still running to People magazine bleating how they don’t reply to his calls and letters, yeah that’ll make them talk to you Harry, great plan!

Lunde · 16/04/2025 22:29

smilesy · 16/04/2025 20:32

No it would probably be Catherine that would be regent

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I would hope so - but I think they need to have this agreed somewhere - otherwise it would pass to the next adult in the Line of Succession - which is Harry ... then Andrew 😯

MayaKovskaya · 16/04/2025 22:32

Lunde · 16/04/2025 22:29

I would hope so - but I think they need to have this agreed somewhere - otherwise it would pass to the next adult in the Line of Succession - which is Harry ... then Andrew 😯

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It's almost certainly been planned for. There won't be any chance that someone like Harry has such a pivotal and important role. Remember, it's a Constitutional Monarchy. Parliament is Sovereign.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 16/04/2025 22:35

ButterCrackers · 16/04/2025 21:47

Imagine publishing a book about his family when his father is undergoing cancer treatment. I can’t see that being a best seller.

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Well he did Oprah when his grandparents were dying...

Ellmau · 16/04/2025 22:46

*"He must realise that high-profile visits from Harry and Meghan, Archie and Lilibet in tow, would enliven our interest and affection for the Royal Family. "
I haven't got H&M's current popularity ratings in the UK to hand but I would venture they do not support "affection" *

TBF the more we see of Harry and Meghan the more we like William and Catherine...

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 16/04/2025 23:33

NewAgeNewMe · 16/04/2025 18:58

Well as I’ve said before like it or not until the Wales children start having dcs of their own, Harry is not that far behind in the line of succession. It needs dealing with and soon imo. And Andrew needs dealing with. Mind you if we get that far I reckon uk will become a republic!

Surely it’s just until they come of age? It doesn’t need them to have children.

Right now:

Charles is King
William is next
then George
then Charlotte
then Louis
then Harry ffs

so yes, we need the Wales family safe and then to procreate if the crown is to be safe from Hazza

Shame Kate is unlikely to have more!

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 16/04/2025 23:38

MayaKovskaya · 16/04/2025 22:32

It's almost certainly been planned for. There won't be any chance that someone like Harry has such a pivotal and important role. Remember, it's a Constitutional Monarchy. Parliament is Sovereign.

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I really, really hope so.