Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

Add me to the list, when she said it was a spectacle put on for the people (or however smugly she worded it) really pissed me off . Yours is not the first royal wedding we've had love.

Let them go nuclear. Get it all over with rather than this miasma of half threats and sly hints dragging on and on. Remove the titles and ride out any backlash

What then Princess Eizabeth said on her 21st birthday. The audio was used in the Netflix documentary with the struckthrough words simply edited out by Netflix, without acknowledging that it had been edited:

“I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong”

Removing titles because you don’t like someone or their behaviour has a backlash much more far reaching than the Sussexes response.

As we all keep saying, the more time that passes, the less relevant any backlash becomes. Why PH doesn’t just focus on building his life in California instead of raking everything over is beyond me. No one’s interested except him.

KC3 is no spring chicken and with cancer, his days ahead are not as plentiful as he would have hoped when he acceded to the throne. KC3 needs to think of what is best for the continuity of the Crown and exclude H&M's reaction from any decision-making process.

H&M can storm and rage and scream and allege that every member of the royal family is a racist shape-shifting lizard. So what? No matter what agreement H&M make, they will violate it, and we are seeing the Sandringham agreement being violated in real time. Any NDAs signed will be circumvented by leaking via proxies such as Omid Scobie. There is no point dealing with bad-faith individuals and the royal family should continue to proceed with grey rocking on maximum.

At the end of the day, H is irrelevant and so is his line. Princess Margaret started off as 5th and rose to the heady heights of 2nd in line. Today, less than a century later her highest ranked descendent is 26th...and falling. Prince Edward is not yet a grandfather and soon afterwards the great-grandchildren of QE2 will start to pair up and have kids themselves. If the Earl of Snowdon lives to be 90, he could well descend from 26th to somewhere in the "late 40s to 50s" in line to the throne.

Me also.

It's actually outrageous!!! Harry is a hateful, disrespectful shite!

As I have stated here already, I am in the subtle action rather than eternal grey rock camp. There may be longer to wait though as acting in advance of the outcome of the Charity Commission inquiry would look hasty, dim or both. I do think the titles need removing now that the Sandringham Agreement is being so flagrantly disregarded. Not to remove it would communicate the message that the privileged royals can do whatever they like.

Ignoring them really is the best option imo, then they can't be blamed for being 'petty' , any retaliation will just add fuel to Harry's fire.

I'd also plump for the former if pushed, but there seems no doubt that it's escalating within his present situation, which is why I hope he's capable of moving towards a workable solution

Because otherwise, as said, I don't see a happy ending to all this

do you think his therapist ever asks him why they are greyrocking him, points out he’s slagged off his dads wife and allowed his SIL to be branded a rcist?*

Edited to add that it doesn't really work like that, @PinkPonyClubber
The general idea is that therapists encourage clients to come to their own realisations rather than telling them "how it is", but of course that won't be easy if someone's entrenched in the mindset that only their narrative counts

I think I'm mainly with the continue to grey rock thing, but at the same time, they're flouting the agreement they made all over the place! Removing the titles isn't going to change their behaviour, and would probably aggravate it.

I was at the hairdresser's on the day of the wedding. When I got home, I watched it and found myself really moved, to my surprise. It felt like profound love and a day we would see as the start of a royal family more in toune with the UK as it is. The 'spectacle' comment made me want to slap her across the face.

She is really so deeply ungrateful for all the privilege that has landed at her feet simply because of who she ensnared and married.

I agree that action is required. However, IMHO that action needs to be for the long-term benefit of the Crown.

When G5 issued 1917 letters patent effectively removing the Prince title from some of his relatives, that action was hardly subtle...but it was what was in the best interests of the Crown, which survived the 20th century turbulence that destroyed various other royal houses.

Queen Margrethe of Denmark tidied things up for a more modern streamlined 21st century RF and her actions provide a valuable precedent. KC3 needs to sit down with his heir and his advisors to chart a course for the RF for the 21st century and then implement that plan with urgency given KC3's health situation.

Presumably she is ungrateful because she thinks she is worthy of more. With a hunger like hers, there must no end to what she thinks should be hers. If in some odd and awful world she were married to Charles, being consort wouldn't be good enough. She's want what Diana called 'the top job'.

It's really delicate for the family and courtiers, I imagine. If they were to go nuclear, who knows what other dirty laundry may be aired in public?

I'm not even sure that wouldd matter any more, @IdaGlossop, since so many lies have been told that anything new could only ever be seen by sensible folk as a "claim"

Sadly, those lacking sense have already been made to look foolish over their insistence that previous claims "proved the family are racist", just as they were over the brouhaha concerning Catherine's illness, so I rather doubt - or maybe it's just a hope? - that they'll risk sticking their necks out aagain for H&M

Hopefully, Charles is already sitting down with William and his advisers to Charles the way through the 21st century. Charles is a person of duty.

My six pence worth is that if Harry does decide to go nuclear, he'd better be very sure that there are no skeletons lurking in his cupboard.No idea if there are or not but if there were, I imagine the Palace machine would be able to disseminate very effectively and it wouldn't involve Charles doing a tell all to People.

I don't believe Harry and Meghan have been briefed against thus far in the way they've alleged (overindulged especially in his case) but if they overstep the line and the gloves came off, I imagine they would be very vulnerable, especially as they can't manage "normal" PR properly.

Harry is a fool. BP did a lot of clearing up after that man. A lot .
He knows that neither Charles and William won't brief against him; never have, never will. I doubt they'll stoop to his level. However, other people might...

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.04.16-135546/nypost.com/2025/04/16/entertainment/meghan-markle-sought-control-over-paparazzi-images-after-us-move-but-interest-quickly-faded/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.04.16-135546/nypost.com/2025/04/16/entertainment/meghan-markle-sought-control-over-paparazzi-images-after-us-move-but-interest-quickly-faded/

not sure if this belongs here ? But I found it interesting!

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.04.11-053324/radaronline.com/p/meghan-showdown-king-william-throne-succession-titles-war/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.04.11-053324/radaronline.com/p/meghan-showdown-king-william-throne-succession-titles-war/

well @IdaGlossop, if this rag is to believed you may be onto something!
however I would not get excited yet! 🤣

But where did that vast sense of entitlement come from? She was just another jobbing actress in Hollywood, nothing special about her? She should be thanking her lucky stars every day for all the riches and privileges that have come her way, even if she does have to tolerate Harry!!

I imagine there's plenty of skeletons in Harry's closet...

Yes ! , I’ve heard there’s a lot that was magically disappeared!
the only question is if certain things come out will it taint the rf and government for sanitising it?