Page 30 | Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

smilesy · 2025-04-11T18:04:55+00:00

Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

IdaGlossop · 14/04/2025 19:23

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 14/04/2025 18:27

I think it was a bit of a reach!

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The article suggests it was a friend of H's who talked about the olive branch, suggesting the author of the reach was H himself.

ajandjjmum · 14/04/2025 19:29

Referring to any Trust KC may have set up for A & L, I did read many months ago that he had made Catherine a trustee. If so, what a genius move! Not least because she is totally honourable and trustworthy, and you know she would do the right thing for the children.

But no sources - just gossip.

TheAutumnCrow · 14/04/2025 20:33

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 14/04/2025 18:55

He's unhinged!

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He's seemingly indifferent to the damage he's caused. He isn't entirely oblivious to it, given that some mental self-preservation switch has kicked in and he maintains that anchored internal belief in his aggrieved victim persona. In other words, he's deeply unwell - and manipulative.

I find it hard to believe that the Head of State and his heir haven't been briefed with a psychological 'read' of H, and it would be a cold day in hell before he got close to my children or grandchildren.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 14/04/2025 20:36

ajandjjmum · 14/04/2025 19:29

Referring to any Trust KC may have set up for A & L, I did read many months ago that he had made Catherine a trustee. If so, what a genius move! Not least because she is totally honourable and trustworthy, and you know she would do the right thing for the children.

But no sources - just gossip.

I love this and hope it is the case!

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 14/04/2025 20:37

IdaGlossop · 14/04/2025 19:23

The article suggests it was a friend of H's who talked about the olive branch, suggesting the author of the reach was H himself.

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Typical!! I know where he needs to shove his "olive branch"!!

BasiliskStare · 14/04/2025 20:54

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 14/04/2025 20:37

Typical!! I know where he needs to shove his "olive branch"!!

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And perhaps attach one of these https://www.therange.co.uk/garden/garden-ornaments-and-decoration/garden-ornaments/white-dove-garden-bird-ornament?gQT=0#6345055

Binglebong · 14/04/2025 20:55

Ethela · 14/04/2025 18:37

I agree. H&M relentless hammering of C over many many years - in private before they left then in the docuseries (remember the trailer that dramatically had C as some sort of evil witch), at any opportunity in interviews, in Spare, in Scobies books and letting it hand in the global media that she was the racist for over 5 years, for not calling off their hideous SS when she was ill.

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I thought the C thing (assuming Catherine not Camilla) only started after the split, that they got on well before that?

Mylovelygreendress · 14/04/2025 21:00

I think Catherine ( and William ) had the measure of Meghan . Remember the complaint that C didn’t take M shopping ? Not sure if M and H were even engaged at that point . Then there was the bridesmaid issue and let’s not forget the ……..lipgloss !

IdaGlossop · 14/04/2025 21:05

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 14/04/2025 20:37

Typical!! I know where he needs to shove his "olive branch"!!

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He might need Meg to help, unless he has super-long arms. 'Whatever happens, we're in this together.'

ThePoshUns · 14/04/2025 21:31

sammylady37 · 14/04/2025 15:22

Thanks for that, wasn’t aware of that connection.

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She was cheating on her then boyfriend Cory someone I think with Rory.

Ethela · 14/04/2025 21:55

Binglebong · 14/04/2025 20:55

I thought the C thing (assuming Catherine not Camilla) only started after the split, that they got on well before that?

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Apparently not:

MM portrayed C as cold and not a hugger
C wouldnt take MM along on a shopping trip in the early days and MM sold that story to a Canadian gossip site
Baby brain
Lipgloss gate
Bridesmaids gate

sammylady37 · 14/04/2025 22:01

ThePoshUns · 14/04/2025 21:31

She was cheating on her then boyfriend Cory someone I think with Rory.

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Can’t believe I’ve never heard that before, particularly as I’m Irish!

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smilesy · 14/04/2025 22:02

ThePoshUns · 14/04/2025 21:31

She was cheating on her then boyfriend Cory someone I think with Rory.

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“Cory” “Rory”. Easy mistake to make 🤪

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Ethela · 14/04/2025 22:05

LivelyMintViper · 14/04/2025 18:24

Surely any meaningful olive branch to PW would need prefacing with detailed and grovelling apologies. Public ones to boot! Mealy mouthed rumours and booking into a local hotel won't cut it.

Well MM's rumoured approach is "to clear the air" amongst the 4 of them.

That doesnt sound diplomatic or sensitive.

Think H&M dont realise that C&W dont need them in their lives.

The distance, dignity and silence as stood them well over the last 5 years.

Ethela · 14/04/2025 22:15

ajandjjmum · 14/04/2025 10:49

I wonder if Jessica Mulroney will spill the beans one day - she must know some real secrets!

That was an interesting dynamic as JM was the Queen Bee in that relationship. She was married to the Prime Minister's son and was a high profile socialite in Canadian circles with 3 beautiful children. MM was a nobody from LA starting her first proper acting role as a minor character in a cable drama. MM milked that friendship for all she could get. I would imagine though that they were both socially ruthless meangirls. But the Queen Bee got stung.

I always wondered why MM wanted to come to the UK for a husband / next career move (Ashley Cole etc) - is it because she believed she could be a big fish in a small pond (in her eyes) and seen how JM navigated a nice life in her small pond - and that she was well aware that she wouldnt cut it back in LA?

BasiliskStare · 14/04/2025 22:17

I should think that M and even H by now realising that Granny wasn't the pushover he thought she would , even Pa isn't so they need to start pedalling furiously if they have any chance of making headway with W.

Ethela · 14/04/2025 22:22

BasiliskStare · 14/04/2025 22:17

I should think that M and even H by now realising that Granny wasn't the pushover he thought she would , even Pa isn't so they need to start pedalling furiously if they have any chance of making headway with W.

I think W&C have a lot on their plates. I am sure that their emotional peace, physical health and calmly being present to raise their 3 children solidly in challenging situation is paramout - a relationship with H&M would not positively contribute to those goals and could derail any of that fine balance so I would assume its not a priority for W&C.

Binglebong · 14/04/2025 22:29

Ethela · 14/04/2025 21:55

Apparently not:

MM portrayed C as cold and not a hugger
C wouldnt take MM along on a shopping trip in the early days and MM sold that story to a Canadian gossip site
Baby brain
Lipgloss gate
Bridesmaids gate

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Thanks. I always thought H got on with her pre MM. Sad.

Ethela · 14/04/2025 22:35

Binglebong · 14/04/2025 22:29

Thanks. I always thought H got on with her pre MM. Sad.

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Yes I believe H got on very well with C and built a real bond over 15 years before MM came on the scene. Maybe C & H's evident long term emotional closeness was a threat to MM?

Anyway PH was happy to stand by and allow C to thrown under the bus repeatedly for a new shag.

Thedom · 14/04/2025 22:51

Ethela · 14/04/2025 22:22

I think W&C have a lot on their plates. I am sure that their emotional peace, physical health and calmly being present to raise their 3 children solidly in challenging situation is paramout - a relationship with H&M would not positively contribute to those goals and could derail any of that fine balance so I would assume its not a priority for W&C.

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This is a lovely video of Catherine with the scouts promoting the benefits of being out in nature, she has a very calming voice, she looks beautiful.

www.instagram.com/reel/DIcQO0ytgXg/

Lunde · 14/04/2025 23:15

PullTheBricksDown · 14/04/2025 16:54

I stand corrected on Highgrove - my word that's a clever arrangement though. Technically William's so wouldn't be part of any inheritance calculation, but still actually Charles's to live in or spend weekends at or whatever he does now. What I was thinking of is that Highgrove is Charles's personal property, as opposed to Buckingham
Palace, Balmoral etc that are royal residences, passed down with the crown so could never be left in a will to an individual. But I see Highgrove is now secured in a similar fashion.

I've posted before about this:
The Queen Mother did have some wealth of her own that did not pass from her husband to QEII and she apparently left money to her great grandkids via a trust. Harry inherited his last Sept on his 40th birthday and it’s said to be about £7m
I've seen this info included many times in stories about the royals, but never any evidence that it's true - all the media reports reference one another in a very circular way. Has anyone seen any other sources that would convince me this is more than a rumour? Because it actually seems very unlike the Queen Mother to me - she too knew how the game was played and was very angry at those who tried to circumvent it, eg Edward and Wallis.

In short, I'm not persuaded that this is more than a convenient rumour that allows Harry to appear richer than he is. But I am open to more concrete evidence, if any shrewd investigators want to show otherwise.

Nobody knows the exact details but the trust fund and the sort of amounts involved were discussed in the Guardian 23 years ago

At the age of 94 the QM put 2/3 of her assets into a trust for her great grandchildren and gambled that she would live for another 7 years and avoid inheritance tax - some estimates put her worth at £70 million in cash, jewellery, furniture, silver, Faberge eggs, porcelain and a huge art collection including a Monet valued at about £15 million in 2000

According to the article
Of the trust fund, William and Harry are likely to share about £6m at the age of 21 - the bulk going to the younger son apparently to compensate for not becoming sovereign - and a further £8m when they reach 40. Princess Anne's children Zara and Peter Phillips and Prince Andrew's daughters Beatrice and Eugenie, together with Princess Margaret's children, Viscount Linley and Lady Sarah Chatto, will also receive bequests running into several millions each.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/apr/03/queenmother.monarchy2

The gamble that foiled the taxman

The Queen Mother's longevity has cost the taxpayer millions in lost inheritance tax revenue, it was becoming clear yesterday.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/apr/03/queenmother.monarchy2

Lunde · 14/04/2025 23:21

Ethela · 14/04/2025 17:43

There are rumours that PH hasnt seen KC3 for over 14 months - the last time for 20mins on his mercy dash after KC3 announced he had cancer.

When was the last time he was in PW's company (apart from his uncles memorial service where apparently their paths didnt cross)?

What do we think about the 'olive branch' of staying near PW - whilst at the same time running his mouth off about confidential evidence of the security appeal (which he seems to hold KC3) responsible for - is the 'olive branch' senario made up by the press?

I think the last time they exchanged a few words publicly was at that walkabout after the Queen died - September 2022 - where Kate gave Meghan the death stare.

They did not appear to speak to anyone at the funeral. They tried to speak to the Wales kids but got the death stare from Charlotte - and at the burial at Windsor they were rushed to the (Wallis) car (even Eugenie blanked them) and were driven away looking like thunder.

Lunde · 14/04/2025 23:26

Ohpleeeease · 14/04/2025 18:02

What do we think about the 'olive branch' of staying near PW - whilst at the same time running his mouth off about confidential evidence of the security appeal (which he seems to hold KC3) responsible for - is the 'olive branch' senario made up by the press?

It could be an attempt to ambush William but I doubt it. He's scared of William, especially his disapproval. I would expect him to put out feelers through mutual friends rather than just show up. Of course he may have tried that and got nowhere.

The "olive branch" rhetoric seems to have been reoccurring for 5 years - and seems to come direct from H&M PR when things are not going as planned at they are keen for news stories that link them to William and Kate or desperate for some engagement from the RF.

But given every conversation, e-mail and facetime ends up as content for the next podcast, book or Netflix show - my guess is that Charles and William no longer speak to them directly.

Lunde · 14/04/2025 23:29

ajandjjmum · 14/04/2025 19:29

Referring to any Trust KC may have set up for A & L, I did read many months ago that he had made Catherine a trustee. If so, what a genius move! Not least because she is totally honourable and trustworthy, and you know she would do the right thing for the children.

But no sources - just gossip.

Catherine and Sophie would be great trustees (if Princess Anne doesn't want to take on a new project)

Weepixie · 15/04/2025 05:03

I find it hard to believe that the Head of State and his heir haven't been briefed with a psychological 'read' of H

I have often thought about this and hope it’s true.