Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

William now has £20m plus income a year plus his security costs paid and access to multiple royal residences as he gets on well with his father and stepmother.

Harry has whatever money his wife can make but they have to pay for their own security and he uses a hotel in Ascot when needing UK accommodation.

Harry could have had a generous allowance from his father the king and then his brother the king, paid security for many years and access to multiple royal residences but he and Megan would have had to shelve their idea to become global superstars and become the chief support for his brother and SIL. Did they make the right choice?

KC3 aka "I am not a bank" will be looking to the monarchy, his firstborn W and his first grandchild G.

H has used his resources to raise an online social media army that relentlessly attacks the RF with particular vitriol aimed at W&C. I think that KC3 does not want to enable attacks on future KW5, so will craft his will with H's feckless character in mind.

KC3 has already shown far more steel with H that people give him credit for, e.g. H&M's eviction from Frogmore and cutting off H's allowance. I suspect that KC3's will emulate the late KG6 with his private fortune going almost entirely to future KW7. (Just like QE2 and her sister Princess Margaret). IMHO, H can hope for a small bequest from a trust that is directly supervised by KW5 at the most. At worst, H gets 1 pound, i.e. is effectively disinherited.

Given that KC3 cannot trust that H will not pressure A&L into using money from the trust to attack the RF, I suspect that KC3 will ask KW5 to look out for A&L but not leave formal arrangements, as again H absolutely cannot be trusted to honor any agreements or arrangements.

Again, this is all pure speculation!

@Choux Stepping back from being working Royals may have been the right personal choice for them. Where they’ve goofed up is badmouthing the RF in interviews and books, etc.

Exactly. If they had moved away, started a new life, done their own projects, fine. Trashing the RF, and selling their privacy? Vile behaviour by any standard.

I have read that the King has set up trust funds for Archie and Lilibet. That would make sense, and at least protect them somewhat from their parents' folly.

Definitely one of the photos, which was taken backstage at Gypsy this past weekend.

I stand corrected on Highgrove - my word that's a clever arrangement though. Technically William's so wouldn't be part of any inheritance calculation, but still actually Charles's to live in or spend weekends at or whatever he does now. What I was thinking of is that Highgrove is Charles's personal property, as opposed to Buckingham
Palace, Balmoral etc that are royal residences, passed down with the crown so could never be left in a will to an individual. But I see Highgrove is now secured in a similar fashion.

I've posted before about this:
The Queen Mother did have some wealth of her own that did not pass from her husband to QEII and she apparently left money to her great grandkids via a trust. Harry inherited his last Sept on his 40th birthday and it’s said to be about £7m
I've seen this info included many times in stories about the royals, but never any evidence that it's true - all the media reports reference one another in a very circular way. Has anyone seen any other sources that would convince me this is more than a rumour? Because it actually seems very unlike the Queen Mother to me - she too knew how the game was played and was very angry at those who tried to circumvent it, eg Edward and Wallis.

In short, I'm not persuaded that this is more than a convenient rumour that allows Harry to appear richer than he is. But I am open to more concrete evidence, if any shrewd investigators want to show otherwise.

Forgot to add:

Grim. But surely PH agreed to MM posting this maybe because he doesnt have any SM?

@Ethela I honestly don’t think Harry will have much input or influence as to what Meghan posts on instagram.
He may have an invisible line that is absolutely not to be crossed of showing their children’s faces for example, but other than that, he has no power in that relationship whatsoever. No one else could get away with putting a phone in his face like Meghan did so often during the last Invinctus Games, that’s for sure. Remember, whatever Meghan wants, she gets…..!

From the Duchy of Cornwall, Charles paid for, among other things; the extravagant wedding, Meghan's bespoke couture wardrobe, and £2m per annum allowance, which continued long after they went their own way.
They also had access to various royal properties, cars, housekeeping and general support.
They must have thought they were really going to hit the big time to move away from that kind of financial support.

There are rumours that PH hasnt seen KC3 for over 14 months - the last time for 20mins on his mercy dash after KC3 announced he had cancer.

When was the last time he was in PW's company (apart from his uncles memorial service where apparently their paths didnt cross)?

What do we think about the 'olive branch' of staying near PW - whilst at the same time running his mouth off about confidential evidence of the security appeal (which he seems to hold KC3) responsible for - is the 'olive branch' senario made up by the press?

They must have thought they were really going to hit the big time to move away from that kind of financial support.

I do believe they did and they would have had all their US agents and lawyers and other commercial enterprizes (OW etc) bigging them up as they were in for a nice fat slice of that lucrative pie.

To be fair the agents and lawyers etc pulled it off they got them unprecedented deals (NF, Spot, PRH) - there was a lot of positive media and general public support for them at the time. But they have sold the family silver (toxic gossip) and dont have any talent behind to sustain securing further deals etc.

You're right, @Ethela because they've just not been able to develop much, even with the most extraordinary opportunities that few could dream of.

Their fame has got them deals no other inexperienced broadcaster, filmmaker, presenter etc would ever have been given. But they are out of their depth in those professions.

What they should have done was hire the best expertise in to ensure a polished professional product. But they don’t seem to like to take advice from and give credit to others in their work. They need to be the stars and control every aspect of their work. I imagine that post the bullying rumours and the Oprah interviews the best directors, scriptwriters, producers etc who have their pick of work don’t want to work with them. Megan and Harry want to be A list but can only work with the B (or even C) team.

What do we think about the 'olive branch' of staying near PW - whilst at the same time running his mouth off about confidential evidence of the security appeal (which he seems to hold KC3) responsible for - is the 'olive branch' senario made up by the press?

It could be an attempt to ambush William but I doubt it. He's scared of William, especially his disapproval. I would expect him to put out feelers through mutual friends rather than just show up. Of course he may have tried that and got nowhere.

@Ethela how could W&C ever trust him again? Everything is fodder for another book, everything, and I can't imagine for a second that William would be willing to risk a one to one meeting, or even have any appetite for it.
I did see the front page of a (trashy) magazine suggesting that M wants them to meet with W&C to 'clear the air' and mend the relationship. It's probably completely made up but, if it is true, it takes tone deaf to a whole new level.

Surely any meaningful olive branch to PW would need prefacing with detailed and grovelling apologies. Public ones to boot! Mealy mouthed rumours and booking into a local hotel won't cut it.

I don't see how the relationship can ever be repaired. Harry's has driven a cart and horses through the trust and don't know how that could be rebuilt. He's betrayed his family multiple times now - why would they let him back in to do it again?

I think the olive branch thing was just made up by the media. Wasn't the hotel about a 20 minute drive from William's place? So not especially near.

I think it was a bit of a reach!

What do we think about the 'olive branch' of staying near PW

I think the "near" term is a bit relative, TBH.

If I've got my geography right the very posh hotel Harry stayed in last week is south of Windsor Great Park near Virginia Water/Sunningdale..handy for Heathrow but about 5 miles away from PW's home..

Yet he constantly acts like the aggrieved party in all this! Extraordinary.

I agree. H&M relentless hammering of C over many many years - in private before they left then in the docuseries (remember the trailer that dramatically had C as some sort of evil witch), at any opportunity in interviews, in Spare, in Scobies books and letting it hand in the global media that she was the racist for over 5 years, for not calling off their hideous SS when she was ill.

Also, isn't it only an olive branch if you extend it, as the saying goes? Was it stated that Harry had attempted to contact William to say he was down the road and would like to speak? Was that passed on by a trusted source and William expected to say 'all right if I pop out for a swift half tonight, Cath?' Or was William supposed to simply sense his presence nearby?

He's unhinged!

Might not be - MM needs royal adjacency for her commercial viability. Also she is probably sick of dope head moping around and she could off load him to Balmoral for the summers etc.

It would be 100% self serving for MM.

In the past - immediately post Spare - PH has stated that he would be up for a reconciliation if they apologised to him. His terms now seem to have dropped the need for an apology but now require his security 'issue' addressed.

Yes both are tone deaf. Neither have any appreciation of the impact of their actions on others.

PW should not let him near him or his DCs. They could ruin his reign. He is not to be trusted. Best that the boundary is high, hard and fast - not blurred.

H&M need W&C much more that W&C need them. They are a very toxic and destructive couple. KC3 is a father as well as a King and will have parental guilt towards PH and sympathies for him losing his DM - but PW doesnt. His wife has been treated atrociously right from day one (leaking gossip to Canadian website that C wouldnt include her on her shopping trip - MM ego was stung and revenge is all that comes next with these types).