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Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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smilesy · 11/04/2025 19:04

Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

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IdaGlossop · 13/04/2025 15:43

JADS · 13/04/2025 15:30

Would Harry have been given security to attend a wedding? Anne, Edward and Sophie who I would say are now more important than him wouldn't, and Bea, Eug, Peter, Zara etc wouldn't either.

I find as a someone who fights mistruths, there are an awful lot of leaks to his favourite mouthpiece People Magazine which lack credibility. Do people really not see this?

Presumably he would have been given security if it was needed. The wedding was in central London after all. He probably didn't ask, though, so he could make a point about not having security.

Profhilodisaster · 13/04/2025 15:45

Maybe the bride and groom withdrew the invitation, didn't want him and whatever entourage he may have had with him to spoil their day.

Mylovelygreendress · 13/04/2025 15:45

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 15:03

She is very slim now, I reckon they'd fit.
All that bespoke Givenchy, Dior, Herrera, Stella McCartney etc. thanks to the generosity of Charles.

But I thought bespoke meant inferior??

Profhilodisaster · 13/04/2025 15:47

Wedding invitations are usually sent out months in advance so he would have been able to give RAVEC the required notice.

Mylovelygreendress · 13/04/2025 15:48

IcedPurple · 13/04/2025 15:41

I don't know how these things work but unless RAVEC had been made aware of a specific threat, I don't think they'd lay on full security for Harry to attend a wedding.

I also wonder if there are 'levels' of protection? For example, could he be assigned an unarmed plain clothes police bodyguard if the threat level were deemed to be low? Does it have to be full specialist armed protection, or nothing at all? Of course we know Harry will insist on the full complement, but that doesn't mean it's on offer.

Did he have security when he attended his uncle’s funeral ?

IdaGlossop · 13/04/2025 15:48

New nonsense from Harry and his mates via The Express https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2040941/prince-harrys-olive-branch-william
Summary: he stayed in Cowarth Park Hotel, close to Adelaide Cottage, as an olive branch to William and family. William was told through his security team. Harry didn't know william was not in the UK. There is speculation on X was Twitter that using security to communicate means there is some sort of cordon in place to prevent Harry getting within a certain distance of William. Does anyone know if the security info does point to there being a cordon?

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Harry's 'olive branch' to William and Kate while in UK sadly telling - friends

The Duke of Sussex stayed at Coworth Park hotel, in Ascot, Berkshire, last week while attending the two-day hearing at the High Court in London

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2040941/prince-harrys-olive-branch-william

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/04/2025 15:57

How is staying in a hotel in Ascot an olive branch?

smilesy · 13/04/2025 16:00

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/04/2025 15:57

How is staying in a hotel in Ascot an olive branch?

Sounds more like stalking 😆

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NewAgeNewMe · 13/04/2025 16:01

And why on earth after everything Harry and Meghan have said and done should William accept?

Olive branch or wanting to get back in with the RF as realised that’s their bread and butter <cynical>

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/04/2025 16:02

smilesy · 13/04/2025 16:00

Sounds more like stalking 😆

It does rather. Probably just a tabloid writing a fake story because surely even Harry doesn't think where he spends the night constitutes an apology for all he has written and said about his family.

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 16:02

NewAgeNewMe · 13/04/2025 16:01

And why on earth after everything Harry and Meghan have said and done should William accept?

Olive branch or wanting to get back in with the RF as realised that’s their bread and butter <cynical>

This is what puzzles me. Harry always acts like the injured party, like his bitching during the conversation. Does he actually remember what he's done?

IdaGlossop · 13/04/2025 16:04

smilesy · 13/04/2025 16:00

Sounds more like stalking 😆

My thought exactly.

IcedPurple · 13/04/2025 16:07

IdaGlossop · 13/04/2025 15:48

New nonsense from Harry and his mates via The Express https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2040941/prince-harrys-olive-branch-william
Summary: he stayed in Cowarth Park Hotel, close to Adelaide Cottage, as an olive branch to William and family. William was told through his security team. Harry didn't know william was not in the UK. There is speculation on X was Twitter that using security to communicate means there is some sort of cordon in place to prevent Harry getting within a certain distance of William. Does anyone know if the security info does point to there being a cordon?

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The source is 'close business friends' whoever they are when they're at home.

But yet another media leak by Harry. Is anyone keeping count?

The impression I'm getting is that Harry doesn't seem to think he needs to cooperate and possibly compromise with anyone. He doesn't want to inform RAVEC of his movements in advance, and doesn't want to ask his family for permission to stay in royal accommodation because he might not get what he thinks is his due, and of course 'they' might be spying on him.

As I've said before, Charles made a smart move by not renewing the lease on Frogmore. Harry himself is a security threat.

muddyford · 13/04/2025 16:07

He doesn't seem to regard travelling to a war zone or to countries rife with kidnapping a security threat though. He just wants to snipe perpetually at the Royal family.

IcedPurple · 13/04/2025 16:10

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/04/2025 16:02

It does rather. Probably just a tabloid writing a fake story because surely even Harry doesn't think where he spends the night constitutes an apology for all he has written and said about his family.

The information about where he stayed the night is presumably true though, and must have been sourced from somewhere.

I guess it could have been a hotel staff member, but I would think that in a very exclusive hotel which caters to royals, being anything other than completely discreet would be grounds for dismissal. So I'm guessing a 'business friend' of Harry is speaking with his permission.

Thedom · 13/04/2025 16:12

IcedPurple · 13/04/2025 15:12

Well, it could be true that he couldn't be arsed to give them the required notice or inform them of his plans in advance, creating difficulties for RAVEC who have priorities other than the social activities of the expat 5th in line.

However, this 'source' really shouldn't be blabbing to Harry's pet media outlet. Does Harry really think he's helping what remains of his 'case' by slagging off the people responsible for his security to an American celebrity magazine?

Actually, wouldn't be surprised if he did that just to prove a point.

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/04/2025 16:12

IcedPurple · 13/04/2025 16:10

The information about where he stayed the night is presumably true though, and must have been sourced from somewhere.

I guess it could have been a hotel staff member, but I would think that in a very exclusive hotel which caters to royals, being anything other than completely discreet would be grounds for dismissal. So I'm guessing a 'business friend' of Harry is speaking with his permission.

He really isn't helping his case is he. I don't mean the court case, the case for RAVEC deciding differently.

IdaGlossop · 13/04/2025 16:16

IcedPurple · 13/04/2025 16:07

The source is 'close business friends' whoever they are when they're at home.

But yet another media leak by Harry. Is anyone keeping count?

The impression I'm getting is that Harry doesn't seem to think he needs to cooperate and possibly compromise with anyone. He doesn't want to inform RAVEC of his movements in advance, and doesn't want to ask his family for permission to stay in royal accommodation because he might not get what he thinks is his due, and of course 'they' might be spying on him.

As I've said before, Charles made a smart move by not renewing the lease on Frogmore. Harry himself is a security threat.

Harry is a security threat. I'd like to know what his lawyer thinks about his allusions in The Telegraph to the information he heard at the in camera session last week. He shouldn't be talking to the press about an ongoing case in advance of the verdict. He's a nightmare all round.

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 16:18

Good grief. That man is a liability.

Profhilodisaster · 13/04/2025 16:21

I would hope (although very much doubt it) that Harry would be appalled at the leak about where he stays , it's a massive security risk. It will be interesting to see if he stays there again.

IdaGlossop · 13/04/2025 16:23

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/04/2025 16:12

He really isn't helping his case is he. I don't mean the court case, the case for RAVEC deciding differently.

Especially by the inference that he usually stays there when he's in the UK. All that smoking, snorting and swigging has destroyed a fair few brain cells.

Ethela · 13/04/2025 16:45

Mylovelygreendress · 13/04/2025 15:48

Did he have security when he attended his uncle’s funeral ?

Good point.....

Starseeking · 13/04/2025 16:46

Ethela · 13/04/2025 14:27

This cant be true can it? This is about PH not attending the wedding of his close friend Lord Vivian to Saweda Kamara:

"A source close to the Duke of Sussex, 40, tells PEOPLE that Harry was unable to attend the wedding because security wasn't provided for the Duke's visit to the U.K., which makes attending events or moving around the country very challenging."

https://people.com/why-prince-harry-missed-friends-uk-wedding-despite-visit-lord-vivian-11711488

I wonder if was more to do with the fall-out of the Dr Sophie allegations and given that the bride is is Dr. Yalie Saweda Kamara a black Sierra Leone / American, prize winning writer, Professor of English, researcher and Poet Laureate - I would be interested in her take.

Maybe he was advised not to attend......

The wedding was at Chelsea Town Hall, hardly “up and down the country” and I would suggest most likely within 5 miles of wherever Harry was staying.

it sounds like a very convenient excuse, which suits Harry’s current purpose.

Ethela · 13/04/2025 16:47

Profhilodisaster · 13/04/2025 16:21

I would hope (although very much doubt it) that Harry would be appalled at the leak about where he stays , it's a massive security risk. It will be interesting to see if he stays there again.

Why doesnt he stay at one of the many royal residences that have been offered to him and are much higher security?

Starseeking · 13/04/2025 16:52

Ethela · 13/04/2025 16:47

Why doesnt he stay at one of the many royal residences that have been offered to him and are much higher security?

Because he thinks the walls are bugged to spy on him.

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