Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

[smilesy]

Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

TBF there's no particular reason why they should, and we ordinary folk wouldn't get "inside information" about security matters anyway

For me what matters is that they're clearly doing a good job, as shown by the fact we've never lost a VIP on our turf ... or in other words if it ain't broke don't try to fix it

Agreed . It’s bizarre for Harry to think people would care about it

Had any of us even heard of RAVEC until Harry brought his 'case'? I know I hadn't.

There's absolutely no need for the public to know about the activities of an organisation responsible for VIP security. In fact, there are very good reasons why the public should not know about them. It's not for nothing that such matters are highly confidential.

Honestly no never heard of it

Except it's not actually anything to do with them so why would we blame them?

If I recall correctly, the chase incident which Harry appealed ended up actually being real - which I was surprised about because it all sounded very melodramatic - so I think because of this they are entitled to NYPD protection?

The paps car chase in NY was not real

The thing that amused me about the near catastrophic car chase was that the Sussexes took the whole thing so seriously and rally couldn’t see how farcical it appeared to the majority of us 😆

Did he appeal the ‘catastrophic car chase’?

I know in his entitled and arrogant way he demanded all the photos from Backgrid be handed over to him (he just so happened to have a RAVEC hearing the following week🤔) and was told in no uncertain terms to ‘do one’.

TMZ quoted Backgrid as replying: “In America, as I’m sure you know, property belongs to the owner of it: Third parties cannot just demand it be given to them, as perhaps Kings can do.
“Perhaps you should sit down with your client and advise them that his English rules of royal prerogative to demand that the citizenry hand over their property to the Crown were rejected by this country long ago.
“We stand by our founding fathers.”

What a 🔥😂

It was obvious what was going on, it was a farce and made them both look very silly.

Even their cabbie found the story hard to believe. 😁

I had to work late that night. I was home listening to WCBS news radio, which still existed at that time, as I cooked dinner. They did periodic news and traffic updates. If the high-speed chase was going on, they would have mentioned it and told drivers to stay away from the area. I had a medical appointment the next day and saw the info about the chase on the television in the waiting room. First I had heard Harry was in NYC.

This cant be true can it? This is about PH not attending the wedding of his close friend Lord Vivian to Saweda Kamara:

"A source close to the Duke of Sussex, 40, tells PEOPLE that Harry was unable to attend the wedding because security wasn't provided for the Duke's visit to the U.K., which makes attending events or moving around the country very challenging."

https://people.com/why-prince-harry-missed-friends-uk-wedding-despite-visit-lord-vivian-11711488

I wonder if was more to do with the fall-out of the Dr Sophie allegations and given that the bride is is Dr. Yalie Saweda Kamara a black Sierra Leone / American, prize winning writer, Professor of English, researcher and Poet Laureate - I would be interested in her take.

Maybe he was advised not to attend......

Doria didnt look amused.

We havent seen her out and about with them since this 'near catastrophic car crash' (she had a v brief appearance the last WLM episode which was filmed before this 'incident').

@Ethela interesting. However, it's certainly not true that Harry wouldn't have got security, so there must have been another reason.

I sometimes wonder what happened to all that designer clobber, none of which (AFAIK) has ever been seen again

I always think it must have been mortifying for her - she slimmed down for her wedding then bagged herself clothing worth nearly half a million quid (which she squeezed herself in to), then had a baby and couldn't fit into any of it any more.

100% agree - the 'source close to DoS' is either lying or misinformed.

Wonder what the other reason could be?

TBF I reckon she could fit into it now. She does look slimmer compared to shortly after Archie. And she has worn half the Caroline Herrera dress .

Edit - correction - it was after Lily I think - in 2021 and not when she was in the RF . So wrong on all counts ! Sorry

I agree. She's very slim now, Ozempic is very effective, but still a difficult shape.

She is very slim now, I reckon they'd fit.
All that bespoke Givenchy, Dior, Herrera, Stella McCartney etc. thanks to the generosity of Charles.

Well, it could be true that he couldn't be arsed to give them the required notice or inform them of his plans in advance, creating difficulties for RAVEC who have priorities other than the social activities of the expat 5th in line.

However, this 'source' really shouldn't be blabbing to Harry's pet media outlet. Does Harry really think he's helping what remains of his 'case' by slagging off the people responsible for his security to an American celebrity magazine?

Oh, he doesn't care. They're just servants to him, paid for by the plebs.

Yes I definitely think that is his attitude. They exist to serve him, a Prince of the Realm. Everyone does.

He's now finding out the hard way that that's not quite how the world works.

I think he didn’t go just to try and underline his need for security. He wouldn’t have it to go to a friend’s wedding, but he could easily have gone without drawing attention to himself. He’s slipped on and out of the country before and travelled around when it suits him (visiting charities for example). Of course, he was quite safe in Ukraine with actual missiles raining down 🙄

Would Harry have been given security to attend a wedding? Anne, Edward and Sophie who I would say are now more important than him wouldn't, and Bea, Eug, Peter, Zara etc wouldn't either.

I find as a someone who fights mistruths, there are an awful lot of leaks to his favourite mouthpiece People Magazine which lack credibility. Do people really not see this?

@smilesy

he could easily have gone without drawing attention to himself. He’s slipped on and out of the country before and travelled around when it suits him

Absolutely agree..

Over the years quite a few of the RF travelling for personal business have managed to fly in/out of the UK, and elsewhere without any fuss or bother, no motorcade and sometimes not much of an entourage either.

If they want to stay low profile the major airports often have staff and facilities to facilitate that but I know of one well known member of the RF who was happy on one occasion to mingle with the great unwashed at the baggage belt at one US airport.

Can't imagine H&M putting up with that..

I don't know how these things work but unless RAVEC had been made aware of a specific threat, I don't think they'd lay on full security for Harry to attend a wedding.

I also wonder if there are 'levels' of protection? For example, could he be assigned an unarmed plain clothes police bodyguard if the threat level were deemed to be low? Does it have to be full specialist armed protection, or nothing at all? Of course we know Harry will insist on the full complement, but that doesn't mean it's on offer.