Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

@lunde. Exactly. Such communities have gates and guards to get through before a visitor can get near the houses! It’s highly unlikely that they need much personal security there.

Hahaha, never was a truer word spoken!!

Former Scotland Yard chief slams Prince Harry's 'nonsense' claims https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14603237/Former-Scotland-Yard-chief-brands-Prince-Harrys-claim-police-protection-withdrawn-Meghan-UK-complete-nonsense.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
Dai Davies says that Harry's claims are "complete nonsense".
He is the former Head of Scotland Yard's Royal Protection.
Don't let the article being from the DM put people off, we know H&M give information to them (although The Telegraph and The People seem to be instruments of their choice).

Looks like the taxpayer is also paying for a liaison officer even when he is not here, who works closely with his very competent personal security team.

Harry is just bullshitting his way around the media and the courts and manipulating the information he is putting out there for his own PR purposes.

The problem with trying to win a fight by moving the goalposts of your argument: I've found freedom they are trapped, they forced me to leave, they tried to trap me etc, when you are a public figure, is that your words are on record and everyone can see you shifting ground. Harry is at the point where he is throwing everything at the legal wall in the hope it sticks. I wonder too if he is trying to regain public sympathy and support in the face of sliding popularity. Neither approach seems to be particularly successful but I suspect that talking about what was discussed in the closed court sessions is going to be his worst mistake long term, at least a far as this case is concerned. People who leak don't get told things.

The secret stuff - who cares after their interview, car chase, the fire in their kids room, what else? If he gets the taxpayer security he says he needs I think that support for the actual royals will reduce even further.

According to this, Harry's flying visit to Ukraine had more to do with (saving himself) money than support for wounded veterans.

https://harrymarkle.substack.com/p/prince-paranoid-the-deluded-duke?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=269387&post_id=160975069&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=39d1t3&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

As is said in today's article

But one royal insider said Harry seemed 'unable to make up his mind' adding that having previously said quit Britain because his family were not being protected, now 'he is saying that withdrawing their security was actually a ploy by the Royal Family to make them stay. Which is it?'

If he cared about security they wouldn’t have bought somewhere so enormous.

I wonder if he and Meghan wander around their house, admiring their sixteen bathrooms and muse together about things, coming up with theories like “actually, they didn’t want us to leave, so they tried to trap us!” 🙄

I agree that to most of us they are moving the goalposts and changing their minds, but I also think they seem to both truly believe whatever idiotic reason for their discontent they have come up with this time.

Everything cannot always be someone else’s fault, but they are unable or unwilling to see this

And even is he had it worse, accepted it and came out the other side, doesn't mean every woman coming into the institution has to accept this bullying. And indeed Camilla's wasn't at the height of the Internet and social media.
The whole thing has been poorly handled. People say its a 1000 year institution. Well may be that is exactly why it should change. Or even cease to exist especially when the appearances are put well above humans and family relations.

Can I also add my appreciation to everyone who has contributed to this interesting discussion and thanks to @BasiliskStare for their appreciation too.

That’s enough self congratulatory bollocks! 😂

I agree. Harry has put his personal desires and wishes above all else. He's the very epitome of what is wrong with being royal - entitled, arrogant, self absorbed, duplicitous and wanting the little people to pay his bills.

Meghan spen an absolute fortune the year she got married an left Charles to pick up the bill - 4½ times any other Royal in Europe

Yes, @Lunde, and I sometimes wonder what happened to all that designer clobber, none of which (AFAIK) has ever been seen again

I suppose if it comes to it (and it's still in her possession) she could do a Diana-style auction ...

Indeed - in fact I’m sure he’s come out with both of these statements in the last few days as part of the same case - it’s utterly bonkers!

His rant to the Telegraph is another level of crazy. I can’t believe someone hasn’t explained to him in words of one syllable that even if he had remained in the RF, his security would have been downgraded at some point. Has nobody said to him - look at your uncle Edward and Aunty Anne? Look at Beatrice and Eugenie? (I’m sure they probably have actually and he’s just not listened because he’s entrenched in this view that he’s more important and special than any of the rest of the family and so this should or would never have applied to him.)

The bare faced lying is also galling, considering he’s claiming he is not getting protection in the U.K. (and the Ukraine is safer - where he could be hit by a missile!), when he evidently is. That said, I wonder if he has been given “less” police security on recent visits than previously (because he’s becoming increasingly irrelevant) and that’s partly why he’s kicking off even more than before.

I actually don’t think Charles is going to be swayed by this, and I think the increasingly hysterical nonsense Harry is coming out with is because he’s getting nowhere.

I know love for your kids is unconditional and I’m sure Charles still loves him, but the way Harry has behaved has been (and continues to be) so bad that I suspect he’s gone way past their limits of tolerance and they’re all sick to the back teeth of him. It’s likely to be a hell of a lot worse than we’ve seen too, as we’ve only seen the behaviour Harry has been proud to portray publicly (that he thinks helps his cause that he’s the victim and the RF are big bad bullies) and even that’s made him look like a horror. So I can only imagine how much worse he has been behind closed doors.

I really really hope he gets told a firm NO from his court case, and if he has an even bigger strop and says he’ll never come back to the UK, then good bloody riddance quite frankly, that would be news to celebrate!

I remember reading an article way back in 2018/19 that eyebrows were raised in the Royal household at the cost of Meghan’s clothes and her reluctance to wear British makes .

I also think that Charles is conscious that he is now the head of “the firm” and that may well be why he doesn’t indulge Harry. We know that Kate Queen was fond of her grand son but she was also keenly aware of her job and that it had to be separated from family issues. If there was a conflict of interest she always had to put her CEO hat on, as it were, and I think Charles knows he has to do the same. He quite clearly stated that he understood when he became king that his previous political opinions had to be kept in check, for example

@elessar

I know love for your kids is unconditional and I’m sure Charles still loves him, but the way Harry has behaved has been (and continues to be) so bad that I suspect he’s gone way past their limits of tolerance and they’re all sick to the back teeth of him. It’s likely to be a hell of a lot worse than we’ve seen too, as we’ve only seen the behaviour Harry has been proud to portray publicly (that he thinks helps his cause that he’s the victim and the RF are big bad bullies) and even that’s made him look like a horror. So I can only imagine how much worse he has been behind closed doors.

really interesting point raised thank you for putting so clearly. I’d not thought of this.

Some of the non-mansions are in gated communities, Lunde, but the only gates in H&M's area are those on the enormous properties themselves

I have a pal with a much cheaper place off San Ysidro Road who took me to see it - not that there's much to see behind all those hedges - and they hardly need additional gates since the whole place is full of cameras and suspiciously large guys wandering around

Especially risking being booed by the public, his ego couldnt take that. I cant imagine many charities or events wanting him & his circus these days.

I would say that most of the public don’t give a rats ass about the inner workings of ravec

What about Joe Public who might be kidnapped? Why is Harry, as a private citizen, more important than other private citizens who should be afforded the same feeling of security. And why should the taxpayer pay for it?

And this affected you how?

Yes, Charles was always very clear that he understood the clear distinction between Prince and King.

Those on either side wanting him to intervene in the security issue are falling into the same error - he will not, because constitutionally he cannot be seen to interfere with his government's security decisions.

The late Queen tied up a lot of ‘loose ends’ before her death. Eg letting it be known she wanted Camilla to use the title Queen so it didn’t look like merely Charles’ wish. If she couldn’t/ wouldn’t sort the security issue it’s because it couldn’t be sorted without damaging the institution and she would never allow that on her watch.

Both Charles and Diana had scandals in their time but we know more shock stories about Diana than we know about Charles. She seemed insecure, impulsive, unable to control herself (dozens of phone calls when affairs ended) and vengeful. Harry seems to have inherited some of these tendencies. His hurt ego that he isn’t actually William’s equal and is sliding down the importance scale is at the heart of everything he does. I think it’s really good that William has three children so there are two spares to help each other through the transition they face.