Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

So you are interested in him shining a light on how ravec works?

No, I'd rather the security services were left to get on with their job and not have to waste their time and our money on distractions like this.

She's doing a sterling job as Queen too.

Yes indeed. I have a lot of respect for Camilla.

Yep, they are saying that they want Prince Harry and his family to die, it was actually quite disgusting to read, I don't like Harry or Meghan, I don't want anything to happen to them, I do think the arrangements are correct so I don't think anything will, but it's scary to see so many people believing his narative.

@BasiliskStare ”How much more does Harry expect? “

He expects to be treated exactly the same as William . This whole situation is about his jealousy of his older brother.,

@My2cents1975 I may have posted this before but just for you

https://imgflip.com/i/78dhz4

Clearly you weren’t around in the 1990s !

OMFG the abuse that woman got was off the scale!! She was totally villified especially by the Diana fans. She was the devil incarnate. She shouldered most of the blame, not Charles.

If Camilla was doing something wrong, so was Charles, so was Diana. Camilla was the scapegoat. I don't know how the poor woman put her head out of the door sometimes. And she hadn't done anything the other two hadn't.

You see I don't really see that.

I think that Charles is a lot of soft "darling boy" words on the surface but pretty ruthless underneath. I would have been easy for Charles to quietly pay H&M's unpaid rent at Frogmore and let them keep a base at Windsor - but he didn't - he evicted them.

I think Charles is also probably pretty upset that H&M marred the final years of his parents' lives in their greed to make money out of selling the family. But I doubt that any of the RF will go on the record because it just gives them oxygen to play to the US

I don't doubt that there is some regret from Charles about the estrangement - but the trust is gone. The RF don't want to be in the same room as they know that whatever they say will be sold for content by the petulant pair.

He was packed off to boarding school so not mollycoddled. Both parents rarely saw their boys , which is common in aristocrat families. No wonder they're all so fucked up in the head.

W and C seem to be much more hands on and down to earth with their DC .

I think Charles is quite steely to be honest. A steel core.

so much talk about the patriarchy but I often thinks it’s more about the matriarchy. No one keeps, and kicks, women down than other women.

Meghan spen an absolute fortune the year she got married an left Charles to pick up the bill - 4½ times any other Royal in Europe

Which European royals spent the most on new clothes in 2018?

1. Meghan, Duchess of Sussex: £406,662.55 ($508,258.25)
2. Crown Princess Mary of Denmark: £88,999.57 ($112,831.96)
3. Sophie, Countess of Wessex: £73,570.41 ($93,271.17)
4. Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge: £68,334.23 ($86,632.84)
5. Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway: £52,307.18 ($66,314.05)
6. Princess Charlene of Monaco: £52,199.00 ($66,176.90)
7. Queen Máxima of Netherlands: £48,338.20 ($61,282.25)
8. Princess Beatrice of York: £47,859.10 ($60,674.86)
9. Princess Marie of Denmark: £43,650.54 ($55,339.33)

10. Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden: £37,365.96 ($47,371.85) 11. Queen Letizia of Spain: £36,075.78 ($45,736.19) 12. Princess Eugenie of York: £31,860.80 ($40,392.52) 13. Princess Sofia of Sweden: £26,452.73 ($33,536.27) 14. Princess Madeleine of Sweden: £22,806.53 ($28,913.69)

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6554329/Meghan-Markle-spent-wardrobe-2018-royals.html

That’s an interesting perspective, maybe Charles is made of sterner stuff than I give him credit for.

I'm pretty sure they live in a gated community

This doesn't hold up as an argument. Kate Middleton got bad press and didn't do anything wrong. Camilla had it worse because she was followed by journalists and photographers for 20 odd years, there were times when she was unable to leave her own house, she was called a horse. Charles did the same thing wrong and was not pursued as Camilla was. She bore the brunt of their adultery.

@IdaGlossop - Thank you for that post about vexatious litigants . H didn't eg need it seems to me to have done his recent case against the press - he could have continued with Hugh Grant etc but wanted his day in court and an apology for his mother. Now I don't really care in the sense that if this is between H or Rupert Murdoch or the like spending their own money , well it doesn't affect me. Except H does seem to think he can use court time for his own grievances. If it were up to me I would put him in the vexatious litigant category. The courts are not there as Harry's playground. I wonder if after this case it will be discussed or whether he is way off the threshold 😊

Yes - Edward and Wallace forced George VI to purchase Sandringham and Balmoral from him.

There were also some issues when he was Governor of the Bahamas - Edward and Wallace massively overspent renovating the house at a time when Britain had rationing - I think Churchill refused to pay

I think that Charles is a lot of soft "darling boy" words on the surface but pretty ruthless underneath.

Harry reportedly once said that he wouldn't see Charles if Camilla was in the room. Charles might forgive a lot, but not that. And who does Harry think he is anyway, to dictate what the King and Queen do in their own home?

You must have forgotten that she used to get tomatoes thrown at her in Waitrose!?!

Camilla is Charles’ non-negotiable, that much is clear. Even Diana couldn’t dislodge her. A few years ago I recall reading that Charles had quietly set up trusts for Canilla’s DC and/or DGC for them to inherit.

Harry is treading on very thin ice when it comes to Camilla; he’s already badmouthed her in Spare, if he tries it again, I’d put a bet on that Charles would side with Camilla over Harry.

Harry is foolish not to see that Charles is utterly devoted to Camilla and won't have a word said against her. It's something he ought to recognise as the dynamic in his own relationship is not altogether dissimilar. Fortunately, C&C bring out the best in one another whereas H & M amplify one another's destructive qualities.

Yet they constantly are criticised when they spend time with their children when they are on holiday from school!

I'd have spent every holiday with my kids if I had had the leave!

This DM but written by Andrew Lownie who is respected as far as his research goes. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13412049/where-did-edward-viiis-money-come-from-former-monarch-lied-to-get-25000-a-year-from-his-brother-after-1936-abdication-despite-having-nearly-50million-in-the-bank-cash-he-and-wallis-simpson-used-to-fund-luxurious-lifestyle-writes-andrew-lownie.html#:~:text=After%20he%20chose%20to%20abdicate,wealthier%20than%20he%20had%20claimed.

I hope so.

Back when things seemed a bit more normal. Heads Together .