Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

I'm not entirely convinced that they do. The security officers I've seen with them don't look to me to be exactly top of the range, not that I have any expertise or anything.

Incidentally, it seems that they and their children have been in three entirely different locations over the past few days. She was in New York, he in London and Ukraine and the children presumably in California. That's presumably going to add quite a bit to their security bill, but that doesn't seem to bother them.

Wouldn't you think Harry would have had the gumption to side-eye that comment at least! She was costing Charles a fortune on couture design fgs let alone all the rest!

It's not entirely unprecedented though. I wonder what the security arrangements were for the Duke and Duchess of Windsor in Paris?

Charles is pretty popular at the moment, being a serious statesperson and engaging with all sorts of ordinary people. He and the courtiers must know that Harry is now reviled by many. The monarchy has to work constantly to remain relevant. If Charles behaved unconstitutional by intervening over 'darling boy's' security, it would be a foolish move.

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@Puzzledandpissedoff Montecito is home to several celebrities so I imagine that the town crawling with security. Anyone who doesn’t seem “naice” is probably shooed away quickly. 😂

So they may not need to pay for much themselves as us plebs will be kept away. I reckon a decent alarm system and one bloke strolling around is quite adequate.

According to this article about the cost of providing round the clock security to ex PMs it costs over £1.1m per ex PM for 2 officers round the clock all year. I don’t know what happens when they travel either with or without their families and if their home is always protected even when they are on holiday. The costs can easily rack up so if you can get someone else to pay for it then…

I bet Harry had barely paid for anything in his life before he bought the house in Montecito.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14163833/amp/The-Tories-got-PMs-bill-security-unsustainable.html

oh I think she would.
Standing on the balony waving then her outfit straight out there for buying.
The dollar signs would be lighting up in her eyes.
That's what they were after with the half in half out.

I doubt Charles would do that; from what we’ve seen he knows the rules and generally follows what his advisers tell him to do (I wonder if the person who advised him it was a good idea to do the Dimbleby interview all those years ago got the sack?!?)

It was so long ago, and RAVEC didn't exist then, so I don't think it's relevant to the current situation.

Also, Edward had been an actual King whereas Harry has never been anything more than the 'spare' so their situations aren't really comparable.

I’ve seen a comment on Twitter that if Harry is entitled all this security on tap, then so should Andrew. In a few years Harry will also be the sibling of the monarch. So should B&E get it too.

She was costing Charles a fortune on couture design fgs let alone all the rest!

There was the wedding reception which he paid for, which went way over budget. Scobie said so in Finding Freedom, so that's not lies put about by the haterz.

I don't believe Charles would act unconstitutionally, but if he is upset by the whole situation, I think this is where Camilla would have a calming influence. No doubt to be spun by Harry as Evil Stepmother Turning Pa Against Me.

Absolutely. This just underlines that fact that Harry just doesn’t get that it’s nothing to do with you just being in the family, and everything to do with your seniority in the hierarchy

Hopefully you are right and Charles could use the response the Queen received as an “out”.

An article from 9 years ago but includes some numbers… Blair obviously had (has?) security issues over Iraq

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/12/tony-blair-police-protection-costs-taxpayers-millions-report-claims

2020 Article about Sussex security and Blair with some numbers
www.tatler.com/article/how-tony-blair-could-provide-the-blueprint-for-harry-and-meghans-security-issue

I agree that it's highly unlikely Charles would get involved.

If he were so inclined, surely he'd have done so well before things got to this point? Making a few 'suggestions' to a hitherto fairly obscure body like RAVEC would surely be a lot easier than interfering with the courts of law. As someone said above, this is His Majesty's Courts versus His Majesty's Government, so for the King to interfere would be a very serious matter. I don't see why he would risk it because of Harry's ridiculous toys from pram 'case'.

I suspect TLQ intervened knowing full well it would be fruitless but she could always say to Harry, I tried.

That’s what I think too

I know, just interested in how his security was provided and who paid for it.

Well I think she could tell herself that she tried. Nobody wishes ill on their child or grandchild. I don’t imagine anyone wants to be in that position.

Here you go, @wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting:

https://professionalsecurity.co.uk/news/case-studies/edward-and-mrs-simpson-and-bodyguards-part-one/

https://professionalsecurity.co.uk/news/case-studies/edward-and-mrs-simpson-and-bodyguards-part-two/

https://professionalsecurity.co.uk/news/case-studies/edward-and-mrs-simpson-and-bodyguards-part-three/

Wow no way no wonder they want it paid for them! They’d have to continue to earn a staggering amount to keep this up.i don’t think they have it in them

If it really is that much (I doubt it, tbh), there's no wonder Harry has been obsessed about it for five years.

Love this! You’re so right.
Another quote from Alice in Wonderland which is quite apt for Harry,
”I am not crazy, my reality is just different than yours.”

That's a hell of a lot of pancake mix to shift

I think that estimate is based on the assumption that they're hiring the nearest possible equivalent of RPO's round the clock. However, when they've been photographed out and about, they seem to have the same type of bodyguard lots of celebrities have. Remember that clumsy guy getting photographed carrying around his Glock in a case in New York? I don't think a high level security guard would do that.

There's no way they can afford anything close to an 8 figure sum for security annually, and I really don't think they're paying anything like that amount.

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