Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

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Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

I am not sure he does. In my understand the legal costs to the Home Office / British tax payer are in excess of £1m to date.

This is how he wants the case to look like to the stupid few who believe slavishly in the everything he says

If the case is purely about whether RAVEC followed their own procedures, then I think Harry will win on that particular point as we already know they didn’t refer the decision to RMB as they should have done, before it was made.

Presumably all RAVEC would have to do in that case is take the decision back through all the hoops they should have jumped though…and come to the same conclusion.

i would imagine RAVEC would simply conclude that a bespoke review is sufficient for each time Harry comes to the UK.

It really doesn’t sound like Harry has anything to gain from this court case, though he doesn’t appear to be aware of that.

The Home Office lawyer is arguing that a) the terms of reference for RAVEC are guidance, not a documented process b) that effectively the same risk analysis was done in Harry's case even though the case wasn't formally referred to the RMB and that a longstanding member of the RMB was on the RAVEC committee. All those hours of work in the hope of proving what to most of us is a pedantic point.

I'm sure he'd like to do some of the high profile events with people cheering and waving at him

If Harry (god forbid) wins this appeal , which given it (in layman's terms) is as I understand it checking the workings of the previous judge, does the Govt have to pay all the costs at that point. Or if goes back to Ravec and they include the RMB assessment and they decide the same thing, or indeed it might be more generic so not as good for him in his singular situation , will they wait for the final outcome before awarding costs. & If they do include the RMB analysis ( which I assume would be included each time as part of the bespoke arrangements) will Harry be forced to accept that decision or can the judge this time round say - OK you can have it assessed once more but then That Is It - no more court time for you laddie. ( He may word it better than I. )

That's my understanding too as things stand but if Harry loses, the situation changes and he has to pay both parties' costs.

Exactly. That’s how he could keeps his and meghan’s royal profile high so they could sell more stuff. Which is exactly why William would never allow it.

Harry might. I’m not sure Meghan “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid to do this” would though

Obviously so, considering the fake "royal tours" they've done - and isn't there said to be another one coming up?

As with Ukraine, maybe he did them hoping they'd qualify him as a "diplomat" to boost his campaign for IPP ...

How much do you think they spend on security per year?

No. On the day that she was in town a helicopter carrying a Spanish family of 5 went down in the Hudson River. All 5 plus the pilot died. It was horrific. This is on top of the generally febrile atmosphere in NYC with the city’s mayor’s corruption having a real-time impact on almost everyone, and then Trump doing his things. Nobody - I can’t emphasize this enough - nobody gives a shit. These are not the times for celebrity appearances. George Clooney, Sarah Snook and the illustrious cast of Glengarry Glenn Ross are all commuting to/from Broadway on a daily basis (DH chatted with Bob Odenkirk at the Citybikes stand earlier in the week). Nobody gives a shit about any of them. She’s living in her own world.

So much is she living in her own world, in fact, that I think that only does she have to (to earn a living), she’s positively cultivating an above-it-all air to emphasize just how royal she is, just how special, just how out-of-touch she is because she’s just so special. All the BS about being relatable and “don’t they know it hasn’t always been this way for me” along with affiliate links to $2000 skirts is deliberate. She needs everyone to know she’s exceptional, unique, a royal duchess - but she also has to earn a living and failing any sellable talents, she has to resort to influencing. But in an elevated way. It hasn’t worked, it’s not working, it won’t work.

I agree that the RF have always stepped in quietly behind the scenes on private matters on the taxpayer’s dime, they still do, and they probably will until the peasants revolt. This is what Harry is talking about. He wants it to happen for him, now. He hasn’t accounted for Meghan though. They will never step in for her because she’s proven she doesn’t understand the quid pro quo. She doesn’t understand that in marrying into the RF she moved into the public sector where she is required to at least give the appearance of serving the people. She doesn’t and hasn’t ever hidden the fact that she’s interested in serving only one person: herself. The RF will never step in for that, because it’ll be the end of them.

I agree with this, and I am concerned that Charles would try and influence this case to give “darling boy” what he demands, like you say, who would know? It wouldn’t surprise me if Charles felt so devastated and brow beaten by Harry that he will intervene in some way to try to give him what he wants, the Queen expressed her wishes on Harry’s security so Harry is expecting even more from Charles, hence the toddler tantrum. Hopefully even if Charles does try he will get the same answer as the Queen.

Also, she will have called the paps as she needed to be sure she could merch the clothes. She has a proven track record of doing this (tbf almost all papped photos are done for this or similar reasons).

A quick google suggests that in the Uk a close protection officer is £1000 per day.
Edited to add : another google says that Meta paid $23 million a year for Mark Zuckerberg

And they have a whole team of them, working round the clock…

God everything about her is so tacky, grabby and grubby! No class at all.

Which brings me back to wondering whether, in the US, they actually have the kind of full time security they want here, or whether they're just hired for selected events

£11m according to some reports.

She so would if she could, it would be merching kerching for her with links on her Instagram for commission on her clothes! No way will the royals allow that though fortunately!

If the case is purely about whether RAVEC followed their own procedures, then I think Harry will win on that particular point as we already know they didn’t refer the decision to RMB as they should have done, before it was made.

But they could argue that Harry's situation is unique and unprecedented, so there are no existing procedures that apply. Hence the bespoke arrangements. (I don't think Harry knows what 'bespoke' means.)

I wish someone would explain it to him in crayon .

The Home Office lawyer is arguing precisely that - unique and unprecedented.

I think Charles may well have had enough of Harry’s antics. He has been getting closer to William and he is apparently fond of Catherine and must have been concerned over her treatment during the “where’s Catherine” bollocks. I think Charles would be happy to demur to RAVEC and would be able to cite the reply his mother was given when she enquired about Harry’s security. The only reason Charles might want to interfere would perhaps be if it allowed him to see his DGC. But given that they are unlikely to come without their mother and that I think he’ll will freeze over before she comes here (all of which Charles is very probably aware of), there wouldn’t seem to be much point. His DGC would be able to visit a royal palace with full security anyway 🤷‍♀️