Page 14 | Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

smilesy · 2025-04-11T18:04:55+00:00

Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

Weepixie · 12/04/2025 16:25

I read the comment re the security being removed in order to trap him in the RF very early this but it was so ridiculous I laughed.

IdaGlossop · 12/04/2025 16:31

Butteredtoast55 · 12/04/2025 11:08

I've said it before but how I wish he'd give an outraged interview to Emily Maitlis so she could make mincemeat of him.
I'm so tired of his relentless petulant whinging. He still has advantages and circumstances beyond many people's wildest dreams and a father who still loves him. Why can't he genuinely bugger off and live his life well and let others do the same?

I'd love to see Emily Maitlis interview him too but she never would after Andrew because it would look like exploitation on her part.

ThePoshUns · 12/04/2025 16:33

IAmATorturedPoet · 12/04/2025 11:58

Just taking in a show? or making a show?

pagesix.com/2025/04/11/royal-family/meghan-markle-hires-over-the-top-motorcade-for-broadway-night/

Genuinely would anyone have known or cared she was going there? Without her ripping off backgrid of course.

IdaGlossop · 12/04/2025 16:34

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 12/04/2025 15:33

I so, so, so hope he loses. I’d love it if he also had to pay costs but it’s unlikely.

”swords down” is a posh boy phrase so definitely came from him. The arrogance is breathtaking!

IMO, in an ideal world:

Harry loses his case & has to pay costs (with an apology to the UK taxpayers)
Harry fucks off back to Monteshitshow and stays there
The King & UK government remove his and Meghan’s titles
The King & UK government remove Harry from the line of succession
The UK government & FCDO tell them absolutely no more faux royal tours
They STFU for once & for all & we can all forget about them

I’m sick of both of them. They’re an embarrassment to Britain, frankly.

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If Harry loses, he does have to pay the Home Office's costs - £500,000.

Weepixie · 12/04/2025 16:34

He obviously surrounds himself with people who support his victim beliefs and has no idea how he is being perceived

He lives in his very own echo chamber.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 12/04/2025 16:39

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 12/04/2025 14:18

How do you or any of the other posters who claim outrage about Charles perceived lack of reconciliation efforts know that he hasn't tried to reconcile and make amends for the perceived slights H is so hung up about?

The palace are not going to be releasing that kind of information cause it all relates to private matters so it must be coming from a source who has previously admitted that their "truth" is sketchy at best the Queen Mother's death being a case in point.

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And Harry is unlikely to leak that Pa has been in touch because it doesn't fit his agenda.

mateysmum · 12/04/2025 16:39

@Puzzledandpissedoff As for claims that Charles couldn't possibly horn in on the case - why not?
I'm not saying he'd necessarily want to, but being quite literally above the law, exempt from the FoI Act, with his correspondence sealed and so much redacted in court records, who would ever know

Because the judicial system is in the name of the King. The Home Office who are the party H is taking action against are part of HM Government. For Charles to intervene in a court case would be treading a VERY dangerous constitutional line mixing family/Crown/Constitution in potentially a very messy way.

MayaKovskaya · 12/04/2025 16:42

IdaGlossop · 12/04/2025 16:34

If Harry loses, he does have to pay the Home Office's costs - £500,000.

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Our costs!

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 12/04/2025 16:45

IcedPurple · 12/04/2025 16:20

Yes, I had to laugh at the Telegraph article with all those references to Harry's precious feelings. He wants to bring his children, he wants to support 'his charities', he feels this is a slight against him and so on. Could he have made it more obvious that he was the source for this article?

As we discussed on the previous thread, what Harry wants and what Harry feels are irrelevant. The judicial review will be decided on procedural details, and his security arrangements will be based on a careful assessment of the evidence. In neither case are Harry's 'feelings' relevant.

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Yes, all that shit about hurty feelings and Britishness was totally irrelevant - I'm surprised the judges allowed it. All they are deciding is, did RAVEC follow due process? Meghan and her motorcade and Harry's visit to Ukraine will do nothing whatsoever to influence the outcome of this case.

CrazyOldMe · 12/04/2025 16:47

The comparison of Harry’s attitude towards security and the media to Diana’s are unfair. Diana was a lot smarter and more media-savvy than Harry is.

BruFord · 12/04/2025 16:53

SoNotaRealHousewife · 12/04/2025 16:01

I don’t think it’s really about the security it’s more about that he sees this is a slight against him

My personal take is that he’s trying to create the half in-half out situation that they originally requested and were refused.

His family life in California is fine, but he wants to be treated exactly the same way as he previously was the moment he touches down in the UK. And that’s not going to happen. The late Queen said from the start that it wasn’t feasible and in the intervening years, he’s become estranged from his family due to all the mudslinging.

So he’s asking for the impossible and ignoring the fact that it’s completely unreasonable to expect British taxpayers to foot the bill.

I wish he’d just get on with his life in the US was and perhaps come to the UK a couple of times a year for lowkey visits. Although given the estrangements, it’s probably uncomfortable when he does-not for security reasons, but because most of his family and old friends don’t want to see him. 😕

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2025 16:55

mateysmum · 12/04/2025 16:39

@Puzzledandpissedoff As for claims that Charles couldn't possibly horn in on the case - why not?
I'm not saying he'd necessarily want to, but being quite literally above the law, exempt from the FoI Act, with his correspondence sealed and so much redacted in court records, who would ever know

Because the judicial system is in the name of the King. The Home Office who are the party H is taking action against are part of HM Government. For Charles to intervene in a court case would be treading a VERY dangerous constitutional line mixing family/Crown/Constitution in potentially a very messy way.

I appreciate all of this, mateysmum, but maintain that it becoming "very messy" would depend on it being found out about - and I'm not sure that would happen

IdaGlossop · 12/04/2025 16:55

IcedPurple · 12/04/2025 16:12

It's an appeal of a judicial review, so it's only concerned with the rather dry procedural details of how RAVEC came to their decision, not the decision itself. The courts have no authority to decide about security arrangements.

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I know the courts cannot make decisions about security arrangements and that this case is about RAVEC's process. Will the judges consider only the evidence given about the process, or will they also be able to consider circumstantial evidence when debating the evidence about the process?

MummyJ12 · 12/04/2025 16:59

Harry needs to get his story straight, he and his wife were either forced out of the RF or trapped in by them. Both can’t be true!

The truth is, neither is or ever was the case. It’s just Harry’s perpetual victimhood at play, his sense of self importance and entitlement and the fact that he truly still believes that he and Meghan were and are indispensable to the RF.

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smilesy · 12/04/2025 17:02

BruFord · 12/04/2025 16:53

My personal take is that he’s trying to create the half in-half out situation that they originally requested and were refused.

His family life in California is fine, but he wants to be treated exactly the same way as he previously was the moment he touches down in the UK. And that’s not going to happen. The late Queen said from the start that it wasn’t feasible and in the intervening years, he’s become estranged from his family due to all the mudslinging.

So he’s asking for the impossible and ignoring the fact that it’s completely unreasonable to expect British taxpayers to foot the bill.

I wish he’d just get on with his life in the US was and perhaps come to the UK a couple of times a year for lowkey visits. Although given the estrangements, it’s probably uncomfortable when he does-not for security reasons, but because most of his family and old friends don’t want to see him. 😕

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He doesn’t seem to want to carry out any Royal duties for his half in half out thing though, does he?

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Inextremis · 12/04/2025 17:03

smilesy · 11/04/2025 19:31

Yes I’m still none the wiser as to what he wants to get out of this. I can’t imagine that many people would have been surprised that his security would be removed if he left the country, so quite why it was a shock to him, I’m not sure. What security is he complaining about? Security in theUK? He left. security in the US? Why would that be covered by the UK?

I reckon what he wants is material for 'Spare Part II'

Weepixie · 12/04/2025 17:06

NautilusLionfish · 12/04/2025 00:41

Only when he is visiting UK. Not when is in us or elsewhere. It's in the uk that he feels unsafe and he wants high level security so he can bring his family (his thoughts not mine)

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But he already has high level security. It has to be risk assessed and booked 10 days prior to visiting. It’s just not on tap like he wants it to be.

IcedPurple · 12/04/2025 17:06

Inextremis · 12/04/2025 17:03

I reckon what he wants is material for 'Spare Part II'

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Well, in that bizarre Telegraph article there were hints of him 'revealing all' if he doesn't get his way. In other words, what is generally referred to as blackmail.

I'm not sure how much interest there would be in the arcane details of his security 'battles' however. Not to mention that there would surely be legal restrictions as to what he could reveal about court proceedings and confidential security arrangements. I think he's just desperate that he didn't get his way and is throwing his toys from pram with a fury. But nobody cares.

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smilesy · 12/04/2025 17:11

IcedPurple · 12/04/2025 17:06

Well, in that bizarre Telegraph article there were hints of him 'revealing all' if he doesn't get his way. In other words, what is generally referred to as blackmail.

I'm not sure how much interest there would be in the arcane details of his security 'battles' however. Not to mention that there would surely be legal restrictions as to what he could reveal about court proceedings and confidential security arrangements. I think he's just desperate that he didn't get his way and is throwing his toys from pram with a fury. But nobody cares.

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Meghan did the same with her “diaries” threat then zip, nada. Lots of hot air me thinks

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Thoughtsonstuff · 12/04/2025 17:11

IcedPurple · 12/04/2025 17:06

Well, in that bizarre Telegraph article there were hints of him 'revealing all' if he doesn't get his way. In other words, what is generally referred to as blackmail.

I'm not sure how much interest there would be in the arcane details of his security 'battles' however. Not to mention that there would surely be legal restrictions as to what he could reveal about court proceedings and confidential security arrangements. I think he's just desperate that he didn't get his way and is throwing his toys from pram with a fury. But nobody cares.

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No one would believe anything he came up with anyway. It's like Meghan's claim of pre-eclampsia. If she did have it that's awful but I do find it surprising she or Harry (in Spare) hasn't mentioned it before in view of all the other intimate details they've spilled. What I think may have happened is that someone said pre eclampsia is possible if one is pregnant. And she thought it would be a good way to get attention and sympathy. A bit like the fire in Archie's room which wasn't a fire and he wasn't even there.

And that's how unbelievably ridiculous they are!!! We can't even believe something as whether or not she had a serious complication after a birth!!

NewAgeNewMe · 12/04/2025 17:11

To be honest let him publish and be damned.

BruFord · 12/04/2025 17:14

@IcedPurple I agree, no one will be interested in further revelations. It’s old news, plus potential readers have far greater issues to contend with…I don’t suppose that PH is particularly aware of the COL crisis though.

GeorgianaM · 12/04/2025 17:16

I honestly don't think he can think for himself and all it takes is for someone to whisper in his ear that he's being taken advantage of and there he is playing the victim.

That someone in his ear would be the Praying Mantis that he married.

Ethela · 12/04/2025 17:20

wordler · 12/04/2025 16:23

Having just reacquainted myself with the copy across the sussexroyal website which laid out their grand plan for being ‘Royals with financial independence’ for the first time in five years, I’m absolutely astounded by the hubris of the two of them to publish all this stuff without checking in with the Queen or Prince Charles.

There’s so many things wrong with it that any advisor - who understood the UK and the system in the UK and the British public - would have told them not to do or include.

Some of it reads like a Wikipedia entry in explaining ‘how stuff works’.

They clearly only had US advisors with them on that Canada break where they cooked this up.

MM arrived in the UK with her US talent agents, PR and legal teams in tow. She was always heading back to LA to breakthough to the A list Hollywood set - thats why she invited these types to her wedding. The agents etc would have been scoping deals throughout from the start - it would have been a big life changing payout for them to get a cut of the NF, Spotify and PRH deals. They were all drunk on their own greed, grandiosity and delusion.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2025 17:24

Harry needs to get his story straight, he and his wife were either forced out of the RF or trapped in by them. Both can’t be true!

I'm reminded of Alice in Wonderland, @mummyj12 ...
"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast"

After all it makes roughly the same sense as the drivel that Harry comes out with, when like a child he believes only what suits in any given moment