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Prince Harry Telegraph interview

186 replies

AtIusvue · 11/04/2025 19:01

Delusional as ever. He claims it was the RF removing his security to trap him. Completely disregarding that the RF have no say over such matters and its an issue for the Home Secretary/RAVEC.

Imagine what must go on in his mind. Stay away from drugs kids.

https://archive.ph/gn01o

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/04/11/prince-harry-police-protection-withdrawn-trap-royal-family/

‘He suggested that he would find it hard to forgive his treatment and added that his “worst fears have been confirmed” by secret evidence he had heard in court.
The Duke believes his taxpayer-funded security was removed in a failed attempt force him to stay in Britain, after he announced they were stepping back from public duties and moving to the US.’

‘The Duke made clear that he will continue to fight for what he regards as justice, whatever the outcome of the case.
When he believes he has uncovered a wrong, he said, he is unable to let things lie and feels the need to “get under the bonnet and fix it”, adding that he was “driven by exposing injustice”’

And of course he’s been shocked by all the secrets revealed during the trial ….which of course he can’t tell you about. Convenient that?

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vera99 · 13/04/2025 08:23

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:13

That means he wasn't a royalist, surely?
It's the die hard Royalists who support Harry, because he's a royal duke. Judge him for his actions and behaviour, not allow his poor actions because he's a prince.

My perception is that die-hard royalists hate Harry for two main reasons: first, because he had the audacity to walk away from his birthright role as an active member of the Royal Family; and second, because he remains popular, has married an American actress who presents well, and is willing to air the monarchy’s dirty laundry in public. This outspokenness is partly a reaction to years of coercive control, allegedly exercised by his father through immense wealth and power. Add to that the heavy, unyielding hand of the Establishment, which balks at the idea—especially in the age of social media—of an "alternative" royal figure overshadowing the official heir.

There really is a "Get Harry" campaign in full flood especially in the British media and here we are. To parapharse the Life of Brian he's not a devil just a naughty boy and the second son of His Majesty King Charles III, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

Mylovelygreendress · 13/04/2025 08:24

vera99 · 13/04/2025 07:57

Quite. By a man who is a close friend apparently of Camilla and had just had a late night dinner with her before preparing that vile diatribe.

In the column, Clarkson wrote that he was "dreaming of the day when [Meghan] is made to parade naked through the streets of every town in Britain while crowds chant, 'Shame!' and throw lumps of excrement at her".

He was roundly criticised for saying that as fine you know.

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:25

I don't know, @Lisapieces . I understand that William has had therapy, and that, combined with what appears to be a happy family life, seems to allow him to function in a positive way.
You make some valid points about Harry. However, many people have traumatic and dysfunctional upbringings. He has to make a mature decision. Work with therapists, work on his aims and motives, come to terms with the past, move on. Many people with far less support, do so.
He's a white prince, a multimillionaire with healthy happy children (🤞).
Perhaps it would help him to think about what he has and how he can lead a more positive life?.

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:28

vera99 · 13/04/2025 08:23

My perception is that die-hard royalists hate Harry for two main reasons: first, because he had the audacity to walk away from his birthright role as an active member of the Royal Family; and second, because he remains popular, has married an American actress who presents well, and is willing to air the monarchy’s dirty laundry in public. This outspokenness is partly a reaction to years of coercive control, allegedly exercised by his father through immense wealth and power. Add to that the heavy, unyielding hand of the Establishment, which balks at the idea—especially in the age of social media—of an "alternative" royal figure overshadowing the official heir.

There really is a "Get Harry" campaign in full flood especially in the British media and here we are. To parapharse the Life of Brian he's not a devil just a naughty boy and the second son of His Majesty King Charles III, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

I disagree. I am not a royalist. I don't like any of them. But at least I can see that some of them try to work and support the UK.
Harry? He's like these princes of old: titles, wealth, privilege, arrogance, greed. Selling family privacy for money.
He's not exactly a poster boy for the republican movement.

Mylovelygreendress · 13/04/2025 08:29

vera99 · 13/04/2025 08:23

My perception is that die-hard royalists hate Harry for two main reasons: first, because he had the audacity to walk away from his birthright role as an active member of the Royal Family; and second, because he remains popular, has married an American actress who presents well, and is willing to air the monarchy’s dirty laundry in public. This outspokenness is partly a reaction to years of coercive control, allegedly exercised by his father through immense wealth and power. Add to that the heavy, unyielding hand of the Establishment, which balks at the idea—especially in the age of social media—of an "alternative" royal figure overshadowing the official heir.

There really is a "Get Harry" campaign in full flood especially in the British media and here we are. To parapharse the Life of Brian he's not a devil just a naughty boy and the second son of His Majesty King Charles III, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

Yesterday i decided not to respond to you but frankly you are spouting so much nonsense , i can’t resist ….
There is no hate for Garry . Distaste and anger about the way he has behaved , the way he sold his family for $$$.
I have said it before and I will say it again - if Meghan finds the whole RF situation so awful why doesn’t she give up her title ? Remove all references to the RF , insist her DC are not lumbered with titles ?
The answer is because she ( and Harry ) would be nothing without the connection to the RF .

myrtleWilson · 13/04/2025 08:31

How are you measuring ‘popular’ @vera99

vera99 · 13/04/2025 08:33

Sadly I have to go out now will respond later.

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:34

Harry isn't being picked on, that's his victim mentality. There isn't "hate". He's criticised for his actions, for his behaviour.
Hard line Royalists always try to excuse him and infantilise him. Look beyond his title. See what he is like as a man.

Lisapieces · 13/04/2025 08:35

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:25

I don't know, @Lisapieces . I understand that William has had therapy, and that, combined with what appears to be a happy family life, seems to allow him to function in a positive way.
You make some valid points about Harry. However, many people have traumatic and dysfunctional upbringings. He has to make a mature decision. Work with therapists, work on his aims and motives, come to terms with the past, move on. Many people with far less support, do so.
He's a white prince, a multimillionaire with healthy happy children (🤞).
Perhaps it would help him to think about what he has and how he can lead a more positive life?.

I like William a lot, he has a lot of good qualities and you make very valid points, they are definitely better at parenting than the previous generations were.

However from what I have seen, I don’t feel William is very far removed from his father temperament wise. I do like KC as a person too, but all of them except Harry, I feel don’t do emotions or emotional people. That does not really work out, no matter which way you slice it, because we are all emotional people with emotions including them.

With avoidants they pretend to themselves that they don’t have emotions and invalidate everyone elses emotions for a sensitive soul like Harry that is disastrous.

NewAgeNewMe · 13/04/2025 08:36

vera99 · 13/04/2025 08:23

My perception is that die-hard royalists hate Harry for two main reasons: first, because he had the audacity to walk away from his birthright role as an active member of the Royal Family; and second, because he remains popular, has married an American actress who presents well, and is willing to air the monarchy’s dirty laundry in public. This outspokenness is partly a reaction to years of coercive control, allegedly exercised by his father through immense wealth and power. Add to that the heavy, unyielding hand of the Establishment, which balks at the idea—especially in the age of social media—of an "alternative" royal figure overshadowing the official heir.

There really is a "Get Harry" campaign in full flood especially in the British media and here we are. To parapharse the Life of Brian he's not a devil just a naughty boy and the second son of His Majesty King Charles III, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

I’m a constitutional monarchist. Not a royalist. The two are different.

Until such time as a properly thought out alternative is available (not off with their heads/get rid of them) I’ll stick to the status quo.

After Brexit I do not want another daft referendum with ‘sort it out later’.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 13/04/2025 08:39

ThisFluentBiscuit · 13/04/2025 03:04

I honestly think he's inherited his late mother's mental-health problems. It's sad. Both of them immensely privileged and yet two of the unhappiest people I've ever known in the public eye. For both of them, the depth of their misery relative to their circumstances is out of all proportion. I truly believe that Diana had that health issue and that Harry inherited it. No blame or shame whatsoever from me; it's an illness.

I know Diana had a bad marriage, but she had the resources to leave old Jug Ears and Horse Face to it and have a great life. There was no need for 16 years of utter misery. And there's no objective reason for Harry's deep, deep misery, either.

I suspect Meghan might have some MH issues, too. Most people and most media welcomed her warmly, but all she could see was the negative stuff from the gutter press, who no one listens to anyway. Harry and Meghan both focus intently on any small negative thing, even when surrounded by positive things. The RF gave her an amazing wedding, a title, clothes and jewellery worth thousands, and were quite prepared to give her an apt at Kensington Palace just as big as Kate and William's. But all she could see was that the Palace wouldn't respond to gutter-press sniping. And Harry was convinced that his brother was briefing the press against him, which I highly doubt.

It's all very sad.

This^^

plus the utter jealousy and sibling rivalry. I do believe H&M wanted to feel equal to W&K and wouldn’t/couldn’t get that they weren’t and never would be. H had always had some issues around this but I think M amplified them. I suspect that the start of the end was when our dear departed Queen refused their request to live in Windsor Castle and gave them a “cottage” instead.

NotsosunnyShropshire · 13/04/2025 08:41

He’s desperate to distract everyone from the Sentebale story.

Tomatotater · 13/04/2025 08:41

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:28

I disagree. I am not a royalist. I don't like any of them. But at least I can see that some of them try to work and support the UK.
Harry? He's like these princes of old: titles, wealth, privilege, arrogance, greed. Selling family privacy for money.
He's not exactly a poster boy for the republican movement.

I agree with this. My main issue with this whole thing is that Meghan gets the overwhelming amount of blame for this, when it is, as far as I can see, 90% Harry. She enables him certainly, and is probably from what we know, vain and vacuous and thought she could be a big fish in the Royal Family. But so are lots of people. They don't get the same amount of vitriol that she gets. A bit of ridicule, like Gwyneth Paltrow, but not the reams and reams of criticism. Harry, by comparison gets a free pass. If she is bringing the RF into disrepute by clinging onto her titles, why don't the RF stop her from using them? They don't want to strip Harry of his Dukedom, or Andrew for that matter, who has a far more important and historically significant title that he has currently tarnished beyond all repair. We have seen how spoilt, jealous and petulant Harry is. Who knows how many grievances he aired to Meghan? She has clearly lapped it up, but who is mainly at fault here? As far as I can see, it's him. Especially as he was born into the family, and knows full well how it works. he just doesn't like it. I suspect the 'racism' thing was Harry telling Meghan that Charles wanted to slim down the Monarchy in the way other Euro Royals have done, which meant Harry's kids not having a title, and because Harry didn't like it, he's told her that and mentioned that some people were also talking about how dark their children would be in order to get her onside, then its backfired. Now if you were from another country and were marrying into such a weird and unfamiliar family, your future husband has moaned on and on about how badly he was being treated by the staff, and then he told you all this, I would take the side of the man I loved and thought I knew over his apparently horribly manipulated family. I agree with @MayaKovskaya that he wants to be a Royal Prince of old, and do what he likes, never having to account for anything. Yet much of the narrative is that she has manipulated poor innocent Harry and ripped him from the bosom of his family. Not that the Royals have bred yet another spoilt, petulant entitled child, and he's gone rogue.

Zonder · 13/04/2025 08:44

I don't understand why Harry thinks he should have the rights without the responsibilities. He's not a working royal so I don't see why the UK should pay for his security in the other country he has chosen to live in.

Thedom · 13/04/2025 08:45

NotsosunnyShropshire · 13/04/2025 08:41

He’s desperate to distract everyone from the Sentebale story.

This 👏

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:50

Lisapieces · 13/04/2025 08:35

I like William a lot, he has a lot of good qualities and you make very valid points, they are definitely better at parenting than the previous generations were.

However from what I have seen, I don’t feel William is very far removed from his father temperament wise. I do like KC as a person too, but all of them except Harry, I feel don’t do emotions or emotional people. That does not really work out, no matter which way you slice it, because we are all emotional people with emotions including them.

With avoidants they pretend to themselves that they don’t have emotions and invalidate everyone elses emotions for a sensitive soul like Harry that is disastrous.

I didn't think Harry is a "sensitive soul".
If you were sensitive, you wouldn't write Spare, you wouldn't do Oprah and you wouldn't do Netflix.
That's being insensitive and self absorbed.

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:52

@Tomatotater excellent points.
I think it's terrible how Meghan has been blamed for Harry's behaviour, but it's part of the infantilisation of him, and treating him like a vulnerable child. He isn't.

Thedom · 13/04/2025 08:53

I think part of the reason Meghan gets a lot of the blame is that she is the one in the fame game, and all Harry's issues with his family, along with his titles, are what keep her in that fame game.

I think Harry would probably moan constantly to his friends and family about all his perceived mistreatments, but I really doubt he would have taken it as far as they have with the media he clearly detests, Megan feeds off that media, its so obvious it is her oxygen.

Harry on the other hand just seems belligerent when he is being interviewed and the interviews to the press and the pressure on friends and colleagues to cooperate with the media on their behalf, is probably not exactly coming from Harry solely.

BobbyBiscuits · 13/04/2025 08:57

They knew he was fucking off to the states, it was patently obvious he'd follow her.
So that's why they withdrew it, because he wouldn't be living here anymore?

He is just a random rich bloke with no job over in the US, he doesn't need a huge security detail to go to Erowid market or some snobby polo club. Most people there don't care who he is.

He's totally delusional and it's very unappealing seeing such a spoilt little tosser declaring he's being brutally bullied from every angle.

Theunamedcat · 13/04/2025 08:58

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:25

I don't know, @Lisapieces . I understand that William has had therapy, and that, combined with what appears to be a happy family life, seems to allow him to function in a positive way.
You make some valid points about Harry. However, many people have traumatic and dysfunctional upbringings. He has to make a mature decision. Work with therapists, work on his aims and motives, come to terms with the past, move on. Many people with far less support, do so.
He's a white prince, a multimillionaire with healthy happy children (🤞).
Perhaps it would help him to think about what he has and how he can lead a more positive life?.

Harry had therapy too they both did to cope with the loss of their mother

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:59

Theunamedcat · 13/04/2025 08:58

Harry had therapy too they both did to cope with the loss of their mother

He's had a lot of therapy, but I'm wondering why he behaves the way he does.

BunnyLake · 13/04/2025 08:59

AtIusvue · 11/04/2025 20:04

The way he views the world, his thinking patterns: he appears unwell and unable to form a balanced perspective on these matters.

He really does seem very unwell to me. It can’t be healthy to be that bitter and delusional. You can see it on his face, what once seemed a perfectly ordinary, reasonably pleasant face is so unpalatable now it’s hard to look at.

Tomatotater · 13/04/2025 09:02

Thedom · 13/04/2025 08:53

I think part of the reason Meghan gets a lot of the blame is that she is the one in the fame game, and all Harry's issues with his family, along with his titles, are what keep her in that fame game.

I think Harry would probably moan constantly to his friends and family about all his perceived mistreatments, but I really doubt he would have taken it as far as they have with the media he clearly detests, Megan feeds off that media, its so obvious it is her oxygen.

Harry on the other hand just seems belligerent when he is being interviewed and the interviews to the press and the pressure on friends and colleagues to cooperate with the media on their behalf, is probably not exactly coming from Harry solely.

But she is famous. She can hardly go and do a shift at Tescos to make money. It looks like she is the only one making any money, while he is busy spending it. She did a lifestyle show where she didn't mention the RF at all. You can be a fame whore as much as you like. If people don't follow you, watch the stuff you put out, put things in the papers about you that generates huge amounts of revenue, then you arent famous. ( poor manipulated Paul Dacre has been forced to print 500000 stories a day about Meghan. Poor him!) I agree that Harry is being infantalised by Royalists in all this. He is a grown man. He is doing all this himself. We always have this. Poor innocent manipulated Edward Viii wouldnt have been a Nazi traitor if it wasnt for that awful Wallis Simpson, poor innocent Charles, of course he had to cheat- he was married to a mentalluy ill woman etc etc

Lazycatsitsonthemat · 13/04/2025 09:02

MayaKovskaya · 13/04/2025 08:59

He's had a lot of therapy, but I'm wondering why he behaves the way he does.

Unfortunately therapy isn’t always the answer. Someone in our family has turned into an unrecognisable person since having therapy. Angry, entitled, lacking in empathy and blaming his family for all his issues. He is completely estranged from us now.

TheHerboriste · 13/04/2025 09:08

BunnyLake · 13/04/2025 08:59

He really does seem very unwell to me. It can’t be healthy to be that bitter and delusional. You can see it on his face, what once seemed a perfectly ordinary, reasonably pleasant face is so unpalatable now it’s hard to look at.

It does seem that his marriage has made him more miserable, not less.

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