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Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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smilesy · 08/04/2025 11:15

I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

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DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:00

There are genuine threats against senior royals all the time. Plus politicians, and celebrities, including people who present This Morning.
Harry has, and will always have, proper protection.
It is at a high level.
If he can go on quasi royal tour of Nigeria, Colombia or wherever, turn up in Ukraine, you can bet he's safe in a limousine going to Westminster Abbey.
It's all nonsense. It's just because he is so desperate to stay in the headlines and keep in the clicks going on the tabloids websites.

CatsWhiskerz · 11/04/2025 13:01

@IdaGlossop - yes I think you're right, perhaps trying to make the baby bump the right shape / size etc
Alway, back to Harry, still doesn't deserve IPP or equivalent

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 13:01

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 12:55

I’ll park the fact that no one criticised that particular post though or reported it, whereas if it had been made about Catherine or Sophie, it would have quite rightly been reported several times over.

I take your point that this RAVEC hearing is procedural but my overall point is that every single negative post on this site adds to all of the disproportionate negative comment and anti H & M rhetoric globally, all of which make Harry and his wife a target for nutters.

The level and number of threats that Harry receives is pertinent to questions about the level of security he will receive on future visits, and I imagine on whether he can make them incognito, or at the last minute, without the press finding out. .

i was listening to a podcast featuring Iain Dale on my commute to work this morning. He was reading out hate mail that he had received and reported to the police. It was from a woman who said something along the lines that she was looking forward to seeing him dying and seeing his dog die, and the letter included his mobile phone number.

Now if a British broadcaster and journalist who isn’t at the centre of a media storm, receives that level of malicious hate mail, you can imagine the nature of threats that are being directed at Harry and Meghan right now, stirred up by the tabloid press.

And the tabloid press are never going to leave Harry alone given that he has challenged them in court, so the threat isn’t going to diminish.

And evidence for them is already in the public domain;

Channel Four spoke to the outgoing Metropolitan Police assistant commissioner Neil Basu, who was the former head of counter-terrorism, who said Meghan in particular faced many credible threats against her life while he was in charge of royal protection.

"If you'd seen the stuff that was written and you were receiving it — the kind of rhetoric that's online, if you don't know what I know, you would feel under threat all of the time,"

When asked by Channel 4's Cathy Newman whether he was convinced there was a "genuine" threat on the Duchess of Sussex's life on more than one occasion, Basu replied, "We had teams investigating it. People have been prosecuted for those threats."

Most posters on Mumsnet seem to think that Harry is exaggerating his and his wife and children’s need for protection of the highest level and know better than a police commissioner of thirty years standing!

Most posters on Mumsnet seem to think that Harry is exaggerating his and his wife and children’s need for protection of the highest level and know better than a police commissioner of thirty years standing!

This is a complete distortion of people's position. If you've read this thread, you'll know that.

This interview gets quoted over and over by Harry's fans, but it's several years out of date, so is frankly irrelevant to Harry's current security situation.

As has been said countless times already, RAVEC have Harry and his family's security needs under continual review and, so long as they cooperate with them, will provide whatever protection is deemed necessary. RAVEC have an excellent track record in keeping royals and VIP's safe, so there is absolutely no reason to think the same would not be true of Harry.

I'll ask you the same question I've asked of so many others, without ever receiving an answer.

What exactly is wrong with Harry's current security arrangements?

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:02

Serenster · 11/04/2025 12:50

I find comments about Meghan’s pregnancy bump really nasty and low and if they were made about a female member of the RF there would be an uproar on here.
The fact that such ridiculously wild speculation is out there, adds to Harry’s case imho. That’s my point and I stand by it.

If the existence of “ridiculously wild speculation” were part of the criteria, then every last one of them would have 24/7 security!

David Icke and his adherents have been speculating the rouyals are all alien lizards in human suits for years now!. And yet, somehow that’s not seen as a justification for security for everyone. Go figure. 😀

I was referring to the fact that there are unhinged people out there who make death threats.

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 13:04

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:02

I was referring to the fact that there are unhinged people out there who make death threats.

Good thing Harry's security situation is being kept under constant review by the experts in the field, isn't it?

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:04

CatsWhiskerz · 11/04/2025 13:01

@IdaGlossop - yes I think you're right, perhaps trying to make the baby bump the right shape / size etc
Alway, back to Harry, still doesn't deserve IPP or equivalent

I think that moon bump stuff is all nonsense and a distraction.
Harry thinks he's some sort of international statesman. He's not. He thinks he's as important as the King or the Obamas. He's not.
He's just another privileged toff trading on his title and with nothing to spend his £milllions on. So he just tries to get in the tabloids and keeps his profile high.

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:06

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:02

I was referring to the fact that there are unhinged people out there who make death threats.

Yes. Recently the Wales family faced a serious threat when someone got into their grounds with a crossbow.
Did they make a fuss?
I don't recall it.
They all face serious threats. Contrary to what their fans think - including that deranged fan yesterday - Harry and Meghan are not special.

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:07

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 13:04

Good thing Harry's security situation is being kept under constant review by the experts in the field, isn't it?

Yes, indeed . They need to keep their eye on his fan who was in court yesterday, though. He's not at risk, but I suspect others are.

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 13:15

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:06

Yes. Recently the Wales family faced a serious threat when someone got into their grounds with a crossbow.
Did they make a fuss?
I don't recall it.
They all face serious threats. Contrary to what their fans think - including that deranged fan yesterday - Harry and Meghan are not special.

Paris Match recently published a set of photos of the Wales family on holiday in the French Alps. They were pretty intrusive, with clear photos of the family, including the children, having lunch on the porch of their chalet. Maybe not a 'security threat' but certainly an invasion of privacy.

Interestingly, none of these photos have appeared in the 'evil British media'.

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:17

@Snippetsorwhippetsaway .
If you think that an interesting and very moderate debate about the security court case constitutes "online hate" (sic), then please report it to MNHQ.
I am fairly certain that "hate" is against talk guidelines.
However. Criticism of a controversial figure, who benefits from taxpayers' money, is entirely relevant and does not constitute "hate".

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:19

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 13:15

Paris Match recently published a set of photos of the Wales family on holiday in the French Alps. They were pretty intrusive, with clear photos of the family, including the children, having lunch on the porch of their chalet. Maybe not a 'security threat' but certainly an invasion of privacy.

Interestingly, none of these photos have appeared in the 'evil British media'.

Absolutely. In their time in the UK, Harry, Meghan and the children never had one single papped picture appear in the UK tabloids.
However, since moving to Canada and the USA? Quite a few pap pictures in US tabloids and magazines.

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:23

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 13:01

Most posters on Mumsnet seem to think that Harry is exaggerating his and his wife and children’s need for protection of the highest level and know better than a police commissioner of thirty years standing!

This is a complete distortion of people's position. If you've read this thread, you'll know that.

This interview gets quoted over and over by Harry's fans, but it's several years out of date, so is frankly irrelevant to Harry's current security situation.

As has been said countless times already, RAVEC have Harry and his family's security needs under continual review and, so long as they cooperate with them, will provide whatever protection is deemed necessary. RAVEC have an excellent track record in keeping royals and VIP's safe, so there is absolutely no reason to think the same would not be true of Harry.

I'll ask you the same question I've asked of so many others, without ever receiving an answer.

What exactly is wrong with Harry's current security arrangements?

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This interview gets quoted over and over by Harry's fans, but it's several years out of date, so frankly irrelevant to Harry's current security situation.

Do you really think that the threats to Harry and Meghan have diminished in the last few years? I believe the opposite to be true.

What exactly is wrong with Harry's current security arrangements?

I think the fact that he has to give advance warning is problematic. His plans get leaked to the tabloids. The security risks are greatly diminished by being able to visit somewhere at the last minute, as demonstrated by his Ukraine trip. If noone knows where you are going, they can’t plan any mischief, it’s as simple as that.

Also, he can’t help the fact that he is the King’s son, and the brother to the heir, he is not an ordinary member of the public by any stretch of the imagination. So why should he have to wait ten days?

smilesy · 11/04/2025 13:26

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:19

Absolutely. In their time in the UK, Harry, Meghan and the children never had one single papped picture appear in the UK tabloids.
However, since moving to Canada and the USA? Quite a few pap pictures in US tabloids and magazines.

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Agreed. As pp have said, Special Protection does not exist to prevent Harry from having his photograph taken. Many of those who insist that the Sussexes need full time security seem to conflate this with actual danger. Yes, invasions of privacy are unwarranted, but they do not constitute mortal danger

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ViolasandViolets · 11/04/2025 13:27

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:23

This interview gets quoted over and over by Harry's fans, but it's several years out of date, so frankly irrelevant to Harry's current security situation.

Do you really think that the threats to Harry and Meghan have diminished in the last few years? I believe the opposite to be true.

What exactly is wrong with Harry's current security arrangements?

I think the fact that he has to give advance warning is problematic. His plans get leaked to the tabloids. The security risks are greatly diminished by being able to visit somewhere at the last minute, as demonstrated by his Ukraine trip. If noone knows where you are going, they can’t plan any mischief, it’s as simple as that.

Also, he can’t help the fact that he is the King’s son, and the brother to the heir, he is not an ordinary member of the public by any stretch of the imagination. So why should he have to wait ten days?

You really think no one knew he was going to Ukraine before yesterday?

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:27

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 13:15

Paris Match recently published a set of photos of the Wales family on holiday in the French Alps. They were pretty intrusive, with clear photos of the family, including the children, having lunch on the porch of their chalet. Maybe not a 'security threat' but certainly an invasion of privacy.

Interestingly, none of these photos have appeared in the 'evil British media'.

Yes it is very interesting why they haven’t appeared. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad that their dc are protected from public scrutiny as they have enough people taking an unhealthy interest in them.

What is your point IcedPurple though? Genuine question.

Do you not think that the inner circle of royals receive a certain level of press deference?

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:28

ViolasandViolets · 11/04/2025 13:27

You really think no one knew he was going to Ukraine before yesterday?

I don’t think many ordinary members of the public knew, no,

Profhilodisaster · 11/04/2025 13:30

So why should he have to wait ten days
because it would be an massive waste of resources to have a team on call 24/7 when Harry might not visit the Uk for months.

smilesy · 11/04/2025 13:30

Also, he can’t help the fact that he is the King’s son, and the brother to the heir, he is not an ordinary member of the public by any stretch of the imagination. So why should he have to wait ten days?

Because he doesn’t live in this country and presumably won’t turn up a the drop of a hat, unless in an emergency in which case security will be provided (see when he came to visit the king after the cancer announcement). And he doesn’t have to wait for ten days, he has to give notice of ten days. Presumably he makes plans in advance so this won’t be a problem.

Again, the Princess Royal is the King’s sister. She only has seem in official engagements. Harry is no more important than she is

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DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:32

His fans need to stop conflating "getting picture taken" and "people commenting on MN" with actual threats.
We are not privy to the details of any theats, that's why it's best to leave it up to the security services. Rather than his fans.

ViolasandViolets · 11/04/2025 13:33

My mind is boggling by the idea that Senior people in Ukraine and the Invinctus Group Foundation had to drop all plans with just an hour’s notice in order to accompany Harry on a last minute trip to Ukraine. Or that this would be safer than planning security arrangements for such a trip at least ten days in advance.

ViolasandViolets · 11/04/2025 13:34

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:28

I don’t think many ordinary members of the public knew, no,

Harry doesn’t have to announce his visits to the UK via press release! He just needs to let RAVEC know.

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:35

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 13:17

@Snippetsorwhippetsaway .
If you think that an interesting and very moderate debate about the security court case constitutes "online hate" (sic), then please report it to MNHQ.
I am fairly certain that "hate" is against talk guidelines.
However. Criticism of a controversial figure, who benefits from taxpayers' money, is entirely relevant and does not constitute "hate".

I think I have made it clear, several times over, that I was referring to the disproportionate number of posts and threads on Mumsnet adding to the overall anti-H & M rhetoric that exists globally.

And my point was that so many regular posters on the RF threads argue on the one hand that they don’t need special security measures, while contributing on the other hand, to many negative threads about them. And I think that is somewhat contradictory behaviour!

smilesy · 11/04/2025 13:37

ViolasandViolets · 11/04/2025 13:27

You really think no one knew he was going to Ukraine before yesterday?

According to a report in The Telegraph, Buckingham Palace were not aware of the visit in advance as Harry “is no longer a working royal ”. So it would seem that not many people were aware he was going there

“The Duke’s visit, to an area that is a frequent target of Russian missiles, was not announced until after he had left Britain. It is understood Buckingham Palace was not made aware of the trip in advance because the Duke is no longer a working royal.”

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ViolasandViolets · 11/04/2025 13:43

smilesy · 11/04/2025 13:37

According to a report in The Telegraph, Buckingham Palace were not aware of the visit in advance as Harry “is no longer a working royal ”. So it would seem that not many people were aware he was going there

“The Duke’s visit, to an area that is a frequent target of Russian missiles, was not announced until after he had left Britain. It is understood Buckingham Palace was not made aware of the trip in advance because the Duke is no longer a working royal.”

So you are saying it is possible to organise a trip in advance without the arrangements being made public?

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