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Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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smilesy · 08/04/2025 11:15

I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

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NewAgeNewMe · 11/04/2025 12:15

Floppyelf · 11/04/2025 12:06

Its to keep away the paparazzi. We know that Williams and Charles camp will brief the media about harry etc. so what harry really wants to do is be able to come at short notice and have the protection whilst the Paparazzi and rightwing billionaire owned rags won’t have access to him to sell their material or generate online ad revenue. He wants to make himself a commodity and he wants to restrict access.

Saying ‘we know’ doesn’t make it true.

MrsLeonFarrell · 11/04/2025 12:16

Floppyelf · 11/04/2025 12:06

Its to keep away the paparazzi. We know that Williams and Charles camp will brief the media about harry etc. so what harry really wants to do is be able to come at short notice and have the protection whilst the Paparazzi and rightwing billionaire owned rags won’t have access to him to sell their material or generate online ad revenue. He wants to make himself a commodity and he wants to restrict access.

The claim that Charles and William brief the press has been made frequently here, without evidence to back up the claim. If you have evidence can you please link to it?

TheAutumnCrow · 11/04/2025 12:18

NewAgeNewMe · 11/04/2025 12:10

Exactly. Absolute rubbish. And yet some posters believe that regular posters on here believe it to be true. No we don’t. Just because we may criticise the Sussexes doesn’t make us believe disgusting rumours.

Well precisely. The day I believe that pile of crap about bloody moonbumps is the day the men in white coats can take me away in the back of the special van, as my granny used to say of equally unlikely and scurrilous rumours.

Frankly it's the squad these days who seem to love repeating it, falsely attributing to people who think nothing of the kind, and then themselves promulgating it as 'proof' that H needs 'extra' protection in the bizarre PR war that's currently, tediously, grinding on. Convenient, that.

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 12:19

MrsLeonFarrell · 11/04/2025 12:16

The claim that Charles and William brief the press has been made frequently here, without evidence to back up the claim. If you have evidence can you please link to it?

Whether the claim is true or false, it's entirely irrelevant to Harry's security case.

Armed specialist police protection officers are not there to 'protect' individuals from photographers.

NormaMajors1992coat · 11/04/2025 12:20

The fact that such ridiculously wild speculation is out there, adds to Harry’s case imho. That’s my point and I stand by it.

This just betrays your lack of understanding though. Gossip about Meghan’s bump has no relevance to this case. Even Harry boasting about his Taliban kills, which at least is argued to have increased the risk, has no relevance to this case. It’s just about procedure.

MrsLeonFarrell · 11/04/2025 12:20

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 12:19

Whether the claim is true or false, it's entirely irrelevant to Harry's security case.

Armed specialist police protection officers are not there to 'protect' individuals from photographers.

I agree it's irrelevant, sorry for the derail.

Just hoping that one day evidence will be forthcoming about what is a serious accusation to make.

TheAutumnCrow · 11/04/2025 12:22

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 12:11

I agree Floppyelf although I think he already is a commodity in the eyes of the press.

I think one of the issues is that if he has to give advance notice of his visits, word gets out, and he cannot be as safe and incognito.

I can quite believe that he will leak and blame RAVEC. I'd assumed that was the next step in the script, about how they can't be trusted.

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 12:22

TheAutumnCrow · 11/04/2025 12:18

Well precisely. The day I believe that pile of crap about bloody moonbumps is the day the men in white coats can take me away in the back of the special van, as my granny used to say of equally unlikely and scurrilous rumours.

Frankly it's the squad these days who seem to love repeating it, falsely attributing to people who think nothing of the kind, and then themselves promulgating it as 'proof' that H needs 'extra' protection in the bizarre PR war that's currently, tediously, grinding on. Convenient, that.

I was about to say exactly the same thing.

This has been a very well informed, measured and interesting discussion which, unusually for such threads, has managed to avoid being derailed.

Now we suddenly have a poster come out of nowhere to throw in these ridiculous 'moonbump' theories and then run off? Nobody can really defend Harry's ridiculous 'case' so chucking in nonsense like this allows them to say 'Oh look at how you're all spreading slander about Meghan. No wonder Harry is paranoid!'

Convenient indeed.

Thedom · 11/04/2025 12:25

Any demand for arrest from the Office of the D&D of Sus, against the weirdo from the Sux Squad, who is popping up at a lot of their public events.

No legal threats against her ?

Lovegame · 11/04/2025 12:27

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/04/2025 08:17

I don't suppose the court case would have been deliberately scheduled for when Charles was known to be away, Mylovelygreendress (or would it ... Confused ) but I don't suppose either that dad will be terribly pleased tto have had his Italian visit ccompletely overshadowed

Then again overshadowing is what both H&M do, so a "Look at meeee, I can still do the royalling thing" was probably to be expected ... especially if it meant he could put the London flight on Invictus's tab

Kings visit was delayed because the Pope has been in hospital.

IdaGlossop · 11/04/2025 12:29

CatsWhiskerz · 11/04/2025 10:59

That whole moon bump thing is bizarre! I completely agree that her bump moved, shrank and grew in the same day, dropped, looked too high etc and that picture of it waggling from side to side like a dogs tail when she was walking is incredible - she did seem to have that pregnancy weight gain though - weird about the secrecy around the birth and all the stupid lies they tell anyway, it wouldn't come as a surprise if it was a faked pregnancy and they had a surrogate(s) ... but hey ho - that's them all over

I think she used the moon bump to appear more pregnant than she actually was 🤔 In January, in Birkenhead, she looked about 8 months pregnant but Archie was born in May.

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 12:30

glitterturd · 11/04/2025 11:46

@Snippetsorwhippetsaway do you really think this is how judges make decisions ? Counting posts on MN 😂
PS it's 7000 and rising 😉

😂ludicrous!
People are critical on MN! Get the bodyguards extra weapons! Quick!

smilesy · 11/04/2025 12:31

Lovegame · 11/04/2025 12:27

Kings visit was delayed because the Pope has been in hospital.

No it wasn’t. The State visit was to go
ahead anyway, just without an audience at the Vatican. It just so happened that the Pope was well enough to see them
briefly. Italy is about more than the Pontiff 🤪

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TheAutumnCrow · 11/04/2025 12:36

I admire 'Lady C' for taking on the restoration of Castle Goring, the historic seat of Shelley's family, and I know she has to finance that somehow; but I'm afraid I have zero admiration for her 'moonbump' schtick. She's either being very cynical in peddling this theory, taking the credit, doing interviews, 'collabs' etc, or she's addled. I know which I suspect. Meanwhile she remains a very good writer. Fascinating character, all the same.

However, all this has the square root of fuck all to do with how judicial reviews work, which are pretty dry examinations of whether processes have been properly followed or not. Btw I've seen judges be quite tough with claimants who didn't cough up their share of costs in a timely manner - a bench warrant issued in one case for 'only' £200k.

IdaGlossop · 11/04/2025 12:37

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 11:40

This sort of speculation is really vile and unpleasant, particularly on a site that is supportive of parents. And frankly it’s indicative of why Harry needs special protection.

No wonder Harry feels he needs to do everything he can to keep his wife and family safe when this level of gossip is allowed to stand, and the RF threads as usual are full of endlessly negative comments picking apart everything he does.

I would direct the judge making the Ravec appeal decision to simply count up the number of threads and really unpleasant comments about Harry and Meghan on Mumsnet, which is usually a reasonably respectable discussion forum after all, compared to some really loathsome ones out there, and he might gain a more thorough understanding of what H & M are up against!

Also, I love the way so many posters on these threads insist that Harry doesn’t need special security measures while simultaneously contributing to the on-line hate against him, without seeing any contradiction in their actions!

Harry is allowed to do charity work if he wants to and he probably felt safer in Ukraine in a quasi-military setting with ex military personnel around him, than he does in London. And given Trump’s recent public treatment of Zelensky, I thought the timing of the trip was spot on. Harry went unannounced and I can’t see anything wrong at all with him going to lend support to, and highlight the needs of, these traumatised, injured men.

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It's a big step from unpleasant comments on a chat forum to a physical attack on Harry. We know there have been threats on his life but they and any new ones will be taken account of under his current security arrangements.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/04/2025 12:40

Lovegame · 11/04/2025 12:27

Kings visit was delayed because the Pope has been in hospital.

You could be right, Lovegame, though I thought it was purely the visit to the Vatican which was postponed rather than the whole trip?

In any case I guess it worked out well, not only in C&C being able to meet Francis in the end, but also being away when Harry was here so we didn't have to suffer so many headlines about "Will he see his dad?"

Serenster · 11/04/2025 12:50

I find comments about Meghan’s pregnancy bump really nasty and low and if they were made about a female member of the RF there would be an uproar on here.
The fact that such ridiculously wild speculation is out there, adds to Harry’s case imho. That’s my point and I stand by it.

If the existence of “ridiculously wild speculation” were part of the criteria, then every last one of them would have 24/7 security!

David Icke and his adherents have been speculating the rouyals are all alien lizards in human suits for years now!. And yet, somehow that’s not seen as a justification for security for everyone. Go figure. 😀

Lovegame · 11/04/2025 12:53

smilesy · 11/04/2025 12:31

No it wasn’t. The State visit was to go
ahead anyway, just without an audience at the Vatican. It just so happened that the Pope was well enough to see them
briefly. Italy is about more than the Pontiff 🤪

I am aware that there is a lot more in Italy than the Pope.

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 12:54

Good points, @Serenster !
Plus I recall threads on MN last year, filled with speculation about Kate, and with some vile accusations against William.
I think Harry's supporters must be scrabbling round for justification, in the light of his behaviour.

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 12:55

NormaMajors1992coat · 11/04/2025 12:20

The fact that such ridiculously wild speculation is out there, adds to Harry’s case imho. That’s my point and I stand by it.

This just betrays your lack of understanding though. Gossip about Meghan’s bump has no relevance to this case. Even Harry boasting about his Taliban kills, which at least is argued to have increased the risk, has no relevance to this case. It’s just about procedure.

I’ll park the fact that no one criticised that particular post though or reported it, whereas if it had been made about Catherine or Sophie, it would have quite rightly been reported several times over.

I take your point that this RAVEC hearing is procedural but my overall point is that every single negative post on this site adds to all of the disproportionate negative comment and anti H & M rhetoric globally, all of which make Harry and his wife a target for nutters.

The level and number of threats that Harry receives is pertinent to questions about the level of security he will receive on future visits, and I imagine on whether he can make them incognito, or at the last minute, without the press finding out. .

i was listening to a podcast featuring Iain Dale on my commute to work this morning. He was reading out hate mail that he had received and reported to the police. It was from a woman who said something along the lines that she was looking forward to seeing him dying and seeing his dog die, and the letter included his mobile phone number.

Now if a British broadcaster and journalist who isn’t at the centre of a media storm, receives that level of malicious hate mail, you can imagine the nature of threats that are being directed at Harry and Meghan right now, stirred up by the tabloid press.

And the tabloid press are never going to leave Harry alone given that he has challenged them in court, so the threat isn’t going to diminish.

And evidence for them is already in the public domain;

Channel Four spoke to the outgoing Metropolitan Police assistant commissioner Neil Basu, who was the former head of counter-terrorism, who said Meghan in particular faced many credible threats against her life while he was in charge of royal protection.

"If you'd seen the stuff that was written and you were receiving it — the kind of rhetoric that's online, if you don't know what I know, you would feel under threat all of the time,"

When asked by Channel 4's Cathy Newman whether he was convinced there was a "genuine" threat on the Duchess of Sussex's life on more than one occasion, Basu replied, "We had teams investigating it. People have been prosecuted for those threats."

Most posters on Mumsnet seem to think that Harry is exaggerating his and his wife and children’s need for protection of the highest level and know better than a police commissioner of thirty years standing!

smilesy · 11/04/2025 12:56

Lovegame · 11/04/2025 12:53

I am aware that there is a lot more in Italy than the Pope.

I was just pointing out that the whole State
Visit was not moved because the Pope was indisposed 😊

typo

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TheAutumnCrow · 11/04/2025 12:56

Serenster · 11/04/2025 12:50

I find comments about Meghan’s pregnancy bump really nasty and low and if they were made about a female member of the RF there would be an uproar on here.
The fact that such ridiculously wild speculation is out there, adds to Harry’s case imho. That’s my point and I stand by it.

If the existence of “ridiculously wild speculation” were part of the criteria, then every last one of them would have 24/7 security!

David Icke and his adherents have been speculating the rouyals are all alien lizards in human suits for years now!. And yet, somehow that’s not seen as a justification for security for everyone. Go figure. 😀

Also since when was Meghan not a female member of the Royal Family - has she left the RF completely? I thought she was Sussex now, which derives from the royal title?

Maybe there's a nuance of English here that I don't understand.

BemusedAmerican · 11/04/2025 12:57

In NYC, we have to go through metal detectors and take out our belongings for prescreening before we are allowed in court building. I assume everyone in that court room was properly prescreened. The most that woman could have done was stab a member of the press, which she seemed to dislike, with a pen. She wasn't threatening Harry, she was threatening the reporters.

I did expect some kind of stunt in court but when I checked the thread during my commute home, I thought the visit to Ukraine was a joke. I'm still in shock. If he visits Ukraine, then he can handle NYC on his own security. He really has a lot of nerve.

Edited typos.

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 12:58

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 12:54

Good points, @Serenster !
Plus I recall threads on MN last year, filled with speculation about Kate, and with some vile accusations against William.
I think Harry's supporters must be scrabbling round for justification, in the light of his behaviour.

I hope you are not suggesting that I find vile personal comments about other members of the RF, or anyone for that matter, acceptable, because I certainly do not.

smilesy · 11/04/2025 13:00

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 12:55

I’ll park the fact that no one criticised that particular post though or reported it, whereas if it had been made about Catherine or Sophie, it would have quite rightly been reported several times over.

I take your point that this RAVEC hearing is procedural but my overall point is that every single negative post on this site adds to all of the disproportionate negative comment and anti H & M rhetoric globally, all of which make Harry and his wife a target for nutters.

The level and number of threats that Harry receives is pertinent to questions about the level of security he will receive on future visits, and I imagine on whether he can make them incognito, or at the last minute, without the press finding out. .

i was listening to a podcast featuring Iain Dale on my commute to work this morning. He was reading out hate mail that he had received and reported to the police. It was from a woman who said something along the lines that she was looking forward to seeing him dying and seeing his dog die, and the letter included his mobile phone number.

Now if a British broadcaster and journalist who isn’t at the centre of a media storm, receives that level of malicious hate mail, you can imagine the nature of threats that are being directed at Harry and Meghan right now, stirred up by the tabloid press.

And the tabloid press are never going to leave Harry alone given that he has challenged them in court, so the threat isn’t going to diminish.

And evidence for them is already in the public domain;

Channel Four spoke to the outgoing Metropolitan Police assistant commissioner Neil Basu, who was the former head of counter-terrorism, who said Meghan in particular faced many credible threats against her life while he was in charge of royal protection.

"If you'd seen the stuff that was written and you were receiving it — the kind of rhetoric that's online, if you don't know what I know, you would feel under threat all of the time,"

When asked by Channel 4's Cathy Newman whether he was convinced there was a "genuine" threat on the Duchess of Sussex's life on more than one occasion, Basu replied, "We had teams investigating it. People have been prosecuted for those threats."

Most posters on Mumsnet seem to think that Harry is exaggerating his and his wife and children’s need for protection of the highest level and know better than a police commissioner of thirty years standing!

If RAVEC think there is a threat to Harry, they will provide security for him. So he will be protected whether from racist nutters or rabid mumsnetters. So what does he want exactly and why does he think he is safe going to a war zone in Ukraine?

eta a current credible threat that is. Not a historical one that has already been dealt with

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