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TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 01/04/2025 23:53

@Conundrumseverywhere I agree with this, good post:

Harry is unfit for public life . He’s childish, not bright, and impatient. She is just a car crash because all she cares about is feeding her insatiable ego. They are both in the wrong job so to speak. I wish they would quietly disappear and live meaningful lives away from the media . Stop strutting around demanding attention and likes and just shut up. Everything they do is more tone deaf and venal than the last. It is jaw dropping how insensitive and grasping they are. It’s exhausting to watch and read about but somehow it’s compulsive because it’s just not believable really.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 01/04/2025 23:53

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 01/04/2025 23:51

Don’t worry, @vera99 has stated that they stand with Harry’s views of misogyny, misogynoir, racism, sexism and bullying because Harry has a “big heart”. This is clearly their view too.

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Shocking!!

jeffgoldblum · 01/04/2025 23:54

vera99 · 01/04/2025 22:23

Well, if most of the board is united against the chair, that tells us a lot—unless we want to go down a rabbit hole of decolonization and misogynoir narratives. And if we do, then that brush needs to be applied equally to the BRF, not just to H&M.

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It already was applied without proof and at the words of just two people.

jeffgoldblum · 01/04/2025 23:56

vera99 · 01/04/2025 22:44

Fair enough—Sentebale is the focus here. But if narratives about decolonization and misogynoir are going to be brought into the discussion, then consistency matters. If these dynamics apply to Sophie Chandauka’s treatment, why wouldn’t they also apply in broader contexts, including the RF? If we’re examining power structures and bias, surely they don’t exist in a vacuum?"

?????

jeffgoldblum · 02/04/2025 00:00

vera99 · 01/04/2025 23:19

I suspect your drive for this fight will last longer than mine, and I understand that the Royal Family plays a significant constitutional and historical role for many. But the way it functions often restricts and limits its members, which feels outdated and out of place in today’s world. Harry, though imperfectly, has tried to break free from that, and for that—no matter how flawed it may seem—I will support and applaud him.

Tom Bowyer took a shot at King Charles when he publicly questioned his supposed desire to forgive, something that came off as rather harsh and unsettling. But it also shows the power and influence the Royal Family still wields in the modern age. They are still seen as first among equals, without a doubt.

The conversations and narrative has moved on in two years.

RandyRedHumpback · 02/04/2025 00:02

vera99 · 01/04/2025 23:38

He’s a mischievous guy and not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he has a big heart, and for that, I’ll forgive him almost anything. And it seems many share that view—he still manages to draw crowds and inspire people, and that might be his biggest "crime." He was meant to be the spare, quietly supporting the heir, not a broken but lovable figure standing outside the institution on his own. YMMV !

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Do you think it's your place to forgive him for racism? How arrogant.

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 02/04/2025 00:03

RandyRedHumpback · 02/04/2025 00:02

Do you think it's your place to forgive him for racism? How arrogant.

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How racist!

RandyRedHumpback · 02/04/2025 00:04

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 02/04/2025 00:03

How racist!

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That too!!!

BasiliskStare · 02/04/2025 00:04

@Profhilodisaster @bluegreygreen I found the post re fundraising I was thinking of - it was by @LaPalmaLlama

Fundraising is not about colour, but in reality, certain models and optics appeal to certain donors and donor groups (individuals, trusts and foundations, HNW, corporates, government) and sometimes those donors are mutually incompatible because it's expensive to cater to all donor sectors. For example, a charity that is very used to being funded by H's personal connections has probably not done a huge amount of monitoring and evaluation because it costs money and they haven't needed to- no-one says "Sure I'll give you $100k to play polo with Harry but first let me check your latest impact report". Conversely that's the first thing a trust or foundation will ask for, and they might be actively put off by the idea of polo type fundraisers , because it suggests that the donors aren't monitoring the impact (impact focused donors like to see other impact focused donors already committed basically).
I'm speculating, but I wonder if she saw that, and decided to bin off the polo in order to improve attractiveness to foundation or "UN" type funders who might give them big, multi year grants which would improve their income predictability, and then either it didn't work or it wasn't given time to work.

bluegreygreen · 02/04/2025 00:10

Yes that was it @BasiliskStare - thank you

It made a lot of sense to me in the context of what Sophie Chandauka would presumably have been trying to do.

Edit to add:
One line from the latest Daily Mail report (PH unpleasant message revealed headline) is interesting in this context -
It is understood that one upside to the furore is that new sponsors and donors have been coming forward.
Perhaps some of those donors who have been avoiding Sentebale due to previous concerns may now be looking at it more favourably?

BreadInCaptivity · 02/04/2025 00:17

vera99 · 01/04/2025 23:38

He’s a mischievous guy and not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he has a big heart, and for that, I’ll forgive him almost anything. And it seems many share that view—he still manages to draw crowds and inspire people, and that might be his biggest "crime." He was meant to be the spare, quietly supporting the heir, not a broken but lovable figure standing outside the institution on his own. YMMV !

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People with “a big heart” don’t behave the way H does.

I’m baffled by your assertion and how you can evidence/justify it.

His behaviour when his grandfather was very unwell and then latterly his grandmother was appalling and lacking in any empathy whatsoever. The interviews/book/statements etc show a lack of compassion, emotional immaturity and self awareness of his own good fortune.

He’s thrown his entire family under the bus repeatedly.

Wanting to live a different life, free of royal constraints and protocol would have been perfectly understandable and reasonable IF they had also been prepared to forgo their royal privileges.

But they don’t want that. They want the titles, the deference, the platform, the free security and most of all to be able to monetise that without giving back anything to the institution/family and country the provides the platform for an unearned privileged position they were born or married into.

H is not mischievous. Vicious would be a more apt description.

He is not big hearted. He is self centred and egocentric.

The more information that comes to light, the worse this debacle gets in respect of H’s standing and reputation.

Onestopshop11 · 02/04/2025 00:21

BasiliskStare · 02/04/2025 00:04

@Profhilodisaster @bluegreygreen I found the post re fundraising I was thinking of - it was by @LaPalmaLlama

Fundraising is not about colour, but in reality, certain models and optics appeal to certain donors and donor groups (individuals, trusts and foundations, HNW, corporates, government) and sometimes those donors are mutually incompatible because it's expensive to cater to all donor sectors. For example, a charity that is very used to being funded by H's personal connections has probably not done a huge amount of monitoring and evaluation because it costs money and they haven't needed to- no-one says "Sure I'll give you $100k to play polo with Harry but first let me check your latest impact report". Conversely that's the first thing a trust or foundation will ask for, and they might be actively put off by the idea of polo type fundraisers , because it suggests that the donors aren't monitoring the impact (impact focused donors like to see other impact focused donors already committed basically).
I'm speculating, but I wonder if she saw that, and decided to bin off the polo in order to improve attractiveness to foundation or "UN" type funders who might give them big, multi year grants which would improve their income predictability, and then either it didn't work or it wasn't given time to work.

Yes this is very well put. Although in this scenario it would be the responsibility of the Trustees to carry out a risk assessment of the options open to them. Building up alternatives alongside the polo would be more difficult and take longer vs the big bang approach of a sudden change of direction. One is far riskier than the other as failure could bring on the closure of the charity.

Onestopshop11 · 02/04/2025 00:25

bluegreygreen · 02/04/2025 00:10

Yes that was it @BasiliskStare - thank you

It made a lot of sense to me in the context of what Sophie Chandauka would presumably have been trying to do.

Edit to add:
One line from the latest Daily Mail report (PH unpleasant message revealed headline) is interesting in this context -
It is understood that one upside to the furore is that new sponsors and donors have been coming forward.
Perhaps some of those donors who have been avoiding Sentebale due to previous concerns may now be looking at it more favourably?

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i was thinking that this media storm could result in new funders stepping in. However they will likely be very cautious until the CC investigation is complete and the extended annual accounts are audited.

bluegreygreen · 02/04/2025 00:29

Onestopshop11 · 02/04/2025 00:25

i was thinking that this media storm could result in new funders stepping in. However they will likely be very cautious until the CC investigation is complete and the extended annual accounts are audited.

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Agreed - but hopefully it would mean that Sentebale could continue

Lunde · 02/04/2025 00:37

IdaGlossop · 01/04/2025 23:41

In her Trevor Philips interview, SC talks about Netflix filming and Meghan turning up last year, in Miami. Perhaps it depends when the Sentebale financial year begins ie financial year 2023/24 would include the Miami event if the financial year ended on 30 April or later. So according to her account, Harry may have cost the charity half a million pounds. Peanuts to a prince.

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The last accounts published are for the financial year ending 31 Aug 2023.

So the Florida event in April 2024 would be in the accounts to 31 Aug 2024 that would normally be expected in April 2025 but for some reason Sentebale has applied to extend their accounting period to 31 Dec 2024.

Bigcat25 · 02/04/2025 00:39

ViolasandViolets · 01/04/2025 16:02

The thing about ‘boring mummy Kate’ plus William vs ‘glamorous Meghan’ and ‘fun Harry’ is Meghan completely failed to understand the serious constitutional position of the Monarchy (how precarious that role is). Sure the public might think glamour and fun make interesting viewing but the public are also very keen on watching celebrities eating bugs.

Very good point. And if she was aware, she certainly didn't care. It meant nothing to her except prestige and perks.

Bigcat25 · 02/04/2025 01:11

CoffeeCantata · 01/04/2025 16:13

I have no idea what Catherine is like as a person. She comes over very well, but of course, that's a carefully curated public persona.

But whatever she is like in private she's won my sympathy and admiration over the past few years by her dignified and restrained behaviour in the eye of the storm created by H & M. The horrible personal attacks and slurs (I'd never forgive anyone who slandered me as a racist on a world stage) and, frankly, character assassination as well as the vile SM campaign waged against her even in the light of her illness by their supporters (with no word from H & M to call them off the attack) would have broken many people. She really has exemplifed Michelle Obama's wise counsel that 'when they go low, we go high'.

The walkabout after the Queen's death must have been hell for Catherine (and M too, but I don't feel sorry for her), but she kept it together. I don't know if I could have done that!

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You make a very good point about H and M not making any effort to call off the attack, especially given that H apparently demanded that SC defend M after the polo photo. There's also evidence/rumors that they actually arranged for the bot attacks on C.

BemusedAmerican · 02/04/2025 01:25

Not sure if this Sun article has already been posted:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/34202374/bullying-sentebale-prince-harry-meghan-markle-social-media/

Charity boss who said Harry was a 'bully' trolled off social media by Meg's fans

THE charity chief who accused Prince Harry of harassment has shut down her social media after she was trolled by “Sussex Squad” backers of the Duke and wife Meghan. Sentebale’s Dr Sophie Chandauka …

https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/34202374/bullying-sentebale-prince-harry-meghan-markle-social-media/

Weepixie · 02/04/2025 03:05

vera99 · 01/04/2025 21:58

Apologies if this has already been posted but I am minded to trust the BBC over any tabloid and whilst they are careful to preface any assertions with "according to" it certainly doesn't appear to be a slam dunk case against the hapless couple.

And I was unsighted that Harry had donated £1.3 million from Spare to the charity.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy0l99w12mo

It was also stated in an article the SC’s family had been the charities biggest donor just a couple of years ago. I think the figure mentioned was 1.4 million.

TheAutumnCrow · 02/04/2025 03:33

BemusedAmerican · 02/04/2025 01:25

Not sure if this Sun article has already been posted:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/34202374/bullying-sentebale-prince-harry-meghan-markle-social-media/

I was browsing the BBC website, and looking at the ‘Tomorrow’s Papers’ headlines, and saw that this was the Sun’s headline.

In fact the Sun’s firing on all cylinders with a whole front page railing against the Sussex Squad - interesting development.

Thedom · 02/04/2025 05:50

People magazine are reporting the article from Harrys Eton lackey, how Harry has approved him speaking on Harrys;s behalf about how Harry is heartbroken and feels like he lost a finger (😀😀)

They have removed the racism, misogny, Meghan jealousy and pariah comments.

They missed out on a great front page headline, "Prince Harry outs himself as a Racist Pariah ?

Conundrumseverywhere · 02/04/2025 06:10

BreadInCaptivity · 02/04/2025 00:17

People with “a big heart” don’t behave the way H does.

I’m baffled by your assertion and how you can evidence/justify it.

His behaviour when his grandfather was very unwell and then latterly his grandmother was appalling and lacking in any empathy whatsoever. The interviews/book/statements etc show a lack of compassion, emotional immaturity and self awareness of his own good fortune.

He’s thrown his entire family under the bus repeatedly.

Wanting to live a different life, free of royal constraints and protocol would have been perfectly understandable and reasonable IF they had also been prepared to forgo their royal privileges.

But they don’t want that. They want the titles, the deference, the platform, the free security and most of all to be able to monetise that without giving back anything to the institution/family and country the provides the platform for an unearned privileged position they were born or married into.

H is not mischievous. Vicious would be a more apt description.

He is not big hearted. He is self centred and egocentric.

The more information that comes to light, the worse this debacle gets in respect of H’s standing and reputation.

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Excellent post!

LemonLeaves · 02/04/2025 06:10

Goodness. Racism is now excused as being "mischievous". Who knew? 🤮

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 02/04/2025 06:28

LemonLeaves · 02/04/2025 06:10

Goodness. Racism is now excused as being "mischievous". Who knew? 🤮

Quite. And I suppose the overt and appalling racism that has driven SC off social media is just the jolly japes of kind hearted souls defending their big hearted prince.

Sickening. Absolutely sickening.

Profhilodisaster · 02/04/2025 06:31

I don't think H&M can do anything about the Sussex Squad now, even if they wanted to because 1: There's a chance they may rile them and become their target 2: It would raise the question of why they didn't step in when Catherine was being attacked when she was having cancer treatment.