Sentebale #4

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Harry

I see no vitriol so please stop with the attempt to shut us down. I see reasoned, intelligent observation and debate over Harry's very public actions which HE HIMSELF put in the public domain.
Or should he be exempt from others' opinions?

Alex Rayner is a fool. Harry will drop him like a knotless thread in a heartbeat.

How any of them thought that statement was appropriate in any shape or form just beggars belief. If there's anything in life I've learned, it's not to be reactive in haste. Consider and think and be balanced.

There's something about SC that I can't quite put a finger on... though I do know that a feisty, strong woman never goes down well with some people!

I think "allegedly," as Private Eye loves to say, would be appropriate here. Nothing has been proven, except for a sad car crash involving what has historically been a charity that aimed to make a difference in an area that Princess Diana, and later Harry, held in great affection.

According to the Daily Mail, one of Harry’s friends was given permission by Harry to speak freely on his behalf and said that a woman of colour was jealous that Meghan was annoyed that she wasn’t considered the top woman of colour on the podium when Meghan was present. If that’s not misogynoir or misogynistic I don’t know what is. If Harry doesn’t believe or didn’t authorise this then I expect him to come forward and denounce it,

Well as long as they use the titles and tout themselves as royals, they will be regarded as such - it's what they want after all. It doesn't correlate that the RF is responsible for anything that they do, but it is undeniable that their actions can either negatively affect the RF; or completely exonerate them for the stance they have taken to date with the two of them - which has been dignified silence and keeping the toxic pair at arms length. For whatever reason, Justine's wisdom is to confine all discussion of H&M to this board, so here is where it will take place. I'd be happy if they could be discussed elsewhere, but then you get lots of posters complaining when it is. I'd also be happy if there was a separate board for republicans or if they would confine themselves to the politics board. But it's here that they flock. Such is life on MN.

Allegedly.
Like Harry and Meghan accused the Royal Family of being racist/unconsciously biased 🤔
Harry needs to denounce his friend’s article in the Daily Mail as his opinion is also “allegedly”

But yet we are still here, at Justine's pleasure I'm sure.

All the cries of "vitriol" have worn thin and more especially the "you're all a bunch of racists" accusation, especially after the events of the last few days, where Prince Perfect has been accused of actual real racism and misogyny, by a black woman and has with infinite stupidity doubled down on it.

Feet of clay, some idols have.

Oh come off it, Harry at least will never not be royal!!

And if I was to describe anyone as "unhinged" (not a term I usually employ, tbf!) it would be Harry and Meghan and their delusions of their own importance!

@PrettyFlyforaMaiTai Trouble is based on past performance I wouldn't put it past him to come forward and denounce if he did authorise it.

"No no no Mr Bradby - it was the press who said I said the BRF was racist. "

So between 2022 and 2023 there was an increase in costs spent on fundraising of half a million and that was put down to reduction in the gifts in kind - specifically the venue for the polo

was 2023 the Netflix year?

And that’s why he loses so many friends. Including Mr Scobie, so it seems. And old sponsors of Sentebale. Allegedly!

And their biggest donor is American friends of Sentebele which is linked via the former CEO.

will be interesting to see the 2024 accounts!!

ETA it says it’s for Sussex squad fundraising so I’m guessing that revenue stream is dead

I suppose Harry’s and Sentebale’s allegations of mismanagement, misconduct and jealousy are also “allegedly” if you’re being fair.

There is no "vitriol". It's just an attempt by certain quarters to defend the indefensible. Can't make a cohesive, reasoned argument so resort to attack.

If these people could open their minds, they might appreciate the many intelligent, reasoned discussion, but if you have closed your mind, you are never going to see that.

I think this board is inhabited by some of the most intelligent, articulate posters on the site actually, with the inevitable derails. There are certain the last couple of days who are conspicuous by their absence...

I am so disappointed in and let down (not personally lol, I don't care that much, in general!) by Harry and Meghan! I thought Harry was a great guy, didn't take himself too seriously, affable and seemed close to his family. I was pleased for him when he got together with Meghan, a beautiful woman whom he seemed to adore, who could have been a breath of fresh air in the royal family.

How wrong can you be...

My point really is that he maybe took on the role of trouble maker in a subconscious desire to please his mother. She seemed to take pride in it.

Dismayed at being thwarted aka ‘flouncing’. Which I agree seems odd. More likely if they took their responsibilities seriously, they did not want to be tied to whatever was happening and without any meetings to be able vote to bring a stop to it the only was not to be associated with it was to resign.

It brings to mind the Jackie Weaver and the Handforth Parish Council meeting,

I suspect your drive for this fight will last longer than mine, and I understand that the Royal Family plays a significant constitutional and historical role for many. But the way it functions often restricts and limits its members, which feels outdated and out of place in today’s world. Harry, though imperfectly, has tried to break free from that, and for that—no matter how flawed it may seem—I will support and applaud him.

Tom Bowyer took a shot at King Charles when he publicly questioned his supposed desire to forgive, something that came off as rather harsh and unsettling. But it also shows the power and influence the Royal Family still wields in the modern age. They are still seen as first among equals, without a doubt.

No - the polo/Netflix fiasco was in April 2024 and they haven't produced the accounts for that year yet.

Interesting. I wonder why they lost it in 2023.

I remember comment on here at the time of that polo footage and that was before anyone realised who it was Meghan was ordering around. I recall a poster pointing out that she was, in fact, the chair of Sentabale, which compounded the rudeness yet further.

It’s like watching a car crash in super slow motion, thousands of people saying “noooooo” as the Keysussex Cops drive off the cliff (in black and white, and fabulously dressed natch).

Anyone who "will support and applaud Harry" in the face of everything that has emerged in the last 5 years has a very low bar.

Harry only "tried to break free" when he came under the influence of a grasping, avaricious, narcissistic social climber (and no, I am not blaming Meghan for that; I am blaming him!). He was quite content to toe the line up until that point, in his mid 30s!

Note, I have and had no problem with him making a different life for himself and his family. It's how he has gone about it that turns my stomach.

She never made this much trouble. The sympathy she garnered was for her marital woes and she also knew how to highlight causes without making them All About Her. She wouldn't have undermined William. Maybe she (and Charles) were too indulgent of Harry, I'm not qualified to say.

I don't think the Spare Question is unreasonable, but within living memory there have been 2 spares (Georges V and VI and an outsider at birth, the late QEII) who were perfectly OK as monarchs

As a (recently retired) PR, my initial advice would be based upon an initial assumption that Harry has acted in haste and wishes to remain involved with Sentebale. I would be thinking about the fact that he is at his best when interacting with children, and that the children the charity is helping have been lost over the last week while the grown-ups fall out. I would be encouraging him to be the peace-maker and propose that he and SC visit users of the charity's services together, pitching to a foreign affairs correspondent such as ITV's Rageh Omaar to do an 'On Assignment' programme on the changing face of charity, using Trump's withdrawal of UNAID and introduction of tariffs (everyone poorer so corporate and individual giving likely to reduce) as the news hook. Footage from the visit, including SC talking about Sentebale's future funding strategy, would be included alongside footage from other charities of differing sizes working in different parts of the world. The timing of this would take account of the timescales for and findings of the CC's initial investigation and would not be taken any further if there then had to be a statutory enquiry.

There are three very big howevers, however. The first is that if the charity is at risk of insolvency, I would advise him to issue a very simple statement saying that neither he nor his representatives would be giving interviews or commenting on the current situation at Sentebale while the work of the Charity Commission was ongoing. I would not mention SC or express any wishes for the future of the charity. The second is that Harry may well be in too fragile a mental state to be offering olive branches and facing the cameras, and indeed he may simply refuse to do either of these things. The third is that the Prince Harry /SC relationship may be unsalvageable. I suspect that it actually is.

I am truly grateful not to be MM2, H&M's new CCO 😃

I've just realised what the 🙂🙃🙂🙃 this is all about. The jam is ELEVATED. Can't believe the penny didn't drop (the opposite of elevated) before.