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TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 26/03/2025 09:45

CatsChin · 26/03/2025 09:44

> If you founded something and knew you were right, and had the money to privately protect it, you WOULD stay and fight, right?

Not at all - stepping down is very often the appropriate and dignified thing to do, particularly if you need to step down for others to resolve a situation where your (well known) presence is going to add more heat.

If Harry had a track record of doing appropriate and dignified things, I might believe you.

Justhere65 · 26/03/2025 09:46

Harry is very lost and always makes me think of a child constantly kicking out at perceived slights against him. Very sad to see how his life has turned out. He just seems to go from one disaster to another.

Rhaidimiddim · 26/03/2025 09:48

Thedom · 26/03/2025 07:28

Wow, a black educated woman with huge credibility whistleblows on a board of a charity "of abuse of power, bullying, harassment, misogyny, misogynoir "

and you think Meh.

On how many continents have they now been accused of bullying? Any continents left to go?

CatsChin · 26/03/2025 09:49

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 26/03/2025 09:45

If Harry had a track record of doing appropriate and dignified things, I might believe you.

Ah sorry, I thought this was a discussion about a charity's governance situation.

Clearly it's just another thread for the Harry and Meghan Unhinged Obsessed to tell everyone about their superior and intimate psychological understanding of a couple who live across the other side of the world but seem to also live in their heads.

You crack on then.

SirHoglet · 26/03/2025 09:51

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 26/03/2025 09:03

misogynoir’ is a strange word. Surely it should be ‘misomelas’, which would mean ‘dislike of black’ , or I suppose if you want it only to refer to black women ‘misogymelas’ ( taken out the n for elision). Also the Chair’s statement seems to have got into a bit of a muddle about thé charity’s recipients

‘in the spirit of ubuntu: to whom much is given, much is expected.’

Surely she mean ‘From whom much is given…’
Anyway, I suspect this is quite a lot about USAid funding, which has now probably vanished. Whoops!

misogynoir’ is a strange word. Surely it should be ‘misomelas’

It's a well established term and means prejudice against black women. 'Angry Black woman' is one such trope. Misogynoir also influences social and political systems, affecting everything from healthcare to law enforcement, and making it more difficult for Black women to be seen as fully human or to have their voices heard. Wonderful that Dr Sophie Chandauka is addressing such racist attitudes.

It's really strange that you are trying to rename the term?😂

Rhaidimiddim · 26/03/2025 09:51

Middleagedstriker · 26/03/2025 07:45

Or his grandfather died or his uncle shuts up.

Markle spent several years in the RF. Yet the only complaint of racism she could rustle up was a reported conversation that she never heard.

I'm sure it Philip or Andrew were racist as you imply we'd have heard something a bit more substantial. The fact that she never reported that she heard or witnessed any racism other than that convo seems to indicate that the RF is actually not a racist family.

CatsWhiskerz · 26/03/2025 09:51

AtIusvue · 25/03/2025 23:58

So this is why he has resigned and doesn’t want to fight the case.

He doesn’t want all this info coming out.

Just catching up on this! I think this is exactly what's happening here! Perhaps it will be the first puncture in Harry's nose-bag that will pour out all of the goodness he and his wife/posh pals have been gorging on for many moons under the guise of charity work - good for you Dr Sophie, blow that whistle and show the world what slime you've found at the bottom of the pond

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/03/2025 09:53

AtIusvue · 26/03/2025 09:40

So we all have to be very grateful to the posh white men do we? …..As if.

I was a bit surprised at how many cheerleaders the PWM seem to have on here. Should've known better really!

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 09:53

I suspect there is his truth, her truth and the truth. Definitely need to wait for the charity commission review.

On the other hand, it is well known that charity founders can struggle in their role as a charity matures - often trying to maintain a level of influence that is no longer appropriate.

Conundrumseverywhere · 26/03/2025 09:54

Vespanest · 26/03/2025 08:37

The thing with the polo is that he showed (and Meghan) how little he respected her with the worlds media watching, why would he be any different in private.

Exactly

Words · 26/03/2025 09:54

I am not sure there will be any lawsuit (yet).

The reason given for the resignations was that the chair had been asked to resign, refused, and threatened to sue the charity.

So they resigned en masse rather than have the charity foot the bill for a costly court case. Whether the patrons should have stepped in themselves is a moot point. There may be very valid legal reasons for this being unwise.

It is all very rum. Personally, I did not particularly like parts of the chair's statement. It seemed to contain some of the same sort of thinly veiled incendiary accusations, coupled with a slightly holier than thou tone, that many of us , including me, have long criticised the Sussexes for. I will be very happy to be proved wrong!

The CC report will be fascinating.

Meanwhile they can bid farewell to the polo funding, and if they has USAID money too that is obviously gone now also.

I suspect the charity will shortly find it is up the polluted watercourse without the requisite propulsion device.

LaPalmaLlama · 26/03/2025 09:57

It's hard to know what's gone on here but this chair was a trustee of Sentabale until 2015, left and was then actively invited back in 2023 as board chair so has a longstanding relationship with the organisation and her expertise was clearly valued. When you recruit an external chair that also suggests that the existing board of trustees needed a bit of a kick up the backside as usually the chair would emerge from within the existing board.

It seems as though there's then been a massive blow up over strategic direction re localisation, whereby she wanted to totally localise the charity and the trustees didn't. Hard to say who is right on that without understanding where current funding is coming from- i.e. possibly it's getting harder to fundraise in UK (funder priorities changing) and she's right, possibly it's more an ideological move and she's wrong. None of us know. I can say from personal experience in the sector that funders increasingly want local management- a London based CEO would not be looked on favourably, so she was right on that if that was her doing.

Also from personal experience, this sort of board breakdown happens quite a lot. It's not necessarily a bad thing if it means the charity ends up on the right path.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/03/2025 09:58

ColourlessGreenIdeasSleepFuriously · 26/03/2025 09:01

Also, if you want to help AIDS orphans in Africa, why not support one of the long-established charities that already have major expertise in this area, rather than draw off donations to your own new venture, creating overhead drag that reduces efficiency of the money on the ground?

A reasonable question, but then who's to say if "existing charities" would have offered Harry the opportunities he prefers or tolerated his wife's habit of muscling in to make them all about her?

There's nothing new about a royal being involved mainly for the photo shots, but all the same 6 years of absence sounds a bit much. Maybe he's better at supporting initiatives in California, or then again maybe he isn't

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 10:01

Existing charities have their own priorities, and their own corruption (cf Oxfam). Sometimes it is better to start afresh in order to meet an unmet need.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/03/2025 10:06

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 26/03/2025 09:45

If Harry had a track record of doing appropriate and dignified things, I might believe you.

Oh come on now, he's done loads. He called out the nasty press for a near fatal collision that nobody saw happen in NYC, tried to help free his awful racist family from an institution they are unable to untangle themselves from and given every living narcissistic an out with the whole "my truth" as opposed to the plain old truth.

Mightymoog · 26/03/2025 10:06

Southwestten · 26/03/2025 09:36

Op, you sound very gleeful about it.

Tbf I am too 😁

justasking111 · 26/03/2025 10:09

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 09:53

I suspect there is his truth, her truth and the truth. Definitely need to wait for the charity commission review.

On the other hand, it is well known that charity founders can struggle in their role as a charity matures - often trying to maintain a level of influence that is no longer appropriate.

I know two individuals who started charities. Fine people who've banged the drum for years to raise the funds for buildings and services. Both charities grew large, employees replaced volunteers, trustees eventually removed both which upset a lot of donors who thought it unfair. The thing is they'd outlived their usefulness and were divisive not understanding that it was now a business in all but name.

I'm no fan of trustees, lord knows how they pick some of them.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/03/2025 10:10

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 10:01

Existing charities have their own priorities, and their own corruption (cf Oxfam). Sometimes it is better to start afresh in order to meet an unmet need.

This is true, PippistrelleBat, but I'd have thought there'd be something Harry could lend his efforts to without needing to start his own ... unless we're suggesting they're all as bad, in which case why would a new one be expected to be any better?

LaPalmaLlama · 26/03/2025 10:12

justasking111 · 26/03/2025 10:09

I know two individuals who started charities. Fine people who've banged the drum for years to raise the funds for buildings and services. Both charities grew large, employees replaced volunteers, trustees eventually removed both which upset a lot of donors who thought it unfair. The thing is they'd outlived their usefulness and were divisive not understanding that it was now a business in all but name.

I'm no fan of trustees, lord knows how they pick some of them.

I mean, yeah- it sucks for the founders but founders can hang around too long and often their initial vision ages out and has to evolve if the organisation is to stay relevant and best serve its beneficiaries. All the founder led charities I've worked with have strategic oddities that are the result of "founder feels" as opposed to sensible decisions re (eg) geographic remit and mean that they are not as efficient/ impactful as they might be.

AtIusvue · 26/03/2025 10:15

Words · 26/03/2025 09:54

I am not sure there will be any lawsuit (yet).

The reason given for the resignations was that the chair had been asked to resign, refused, and threatened to sue the charity.

So they resigned en masse rather than have the charity foot the bill for a costly court case. Whether the patrons should have stepped in themselves is a moot point. There may be very valid legal reasons for this being unwise.

It is all very rum. Personally, I did not particularly like parts of the chair's statement. It seemed to contain some of the same sort of thinly veiled incendiary accusations, coupled with a slightly holier than thou tone, that many of us , including me, have long criticised the Sussexes for. I will be very happy to be proved wrong!

The CC report will be fascinating.

Meanwhile they can bid farewell to the polo funding, and if they has USAID money too that is obviously gone now also.

I suspect the charity will shortly find it is up the polluted watercourse without the requisite propulsion device.

What the trustees said: 'Our priority has always been, and will always be, what's in the best interest of the charity, and it's desperately sad the breakdown in relationship escalated to a lawsuit by the chair against the charity, to block us from voting her out after our request for her resignation was rejected.
'We could not in good conscience allow Sentebale to undertake that legal and financial burden and have been left with no other option but to vacate our positions.’

There already a lawsuit and she has an injunction to stop them voting her off.

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Vespanest · 26/03/2025 10:19

It's much easier to be a patron/founder when you have the British tax payer or the income of huge assets, as well as a legal team to know when it's time to pull out. His love of Africa now involves the country wanting him and paying for him. Personally I believe he has spread himself to thin. He was a racist before this allegation and he remains a racist whilst he continues to call his and others racist behaviour unconscious bias

Words · 26/03/2025 10:20

@atlusvue Just goes to show how murky this is. I read the paragraph beginning' we could not in all conscience...' to mean the exact opposite to your interpretation.

No doubt time will tell !

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 10:21

LaPalmaLlama · 26/03/2025 10:12

I mean, yeah- it sucks for the founders but founders can hang around too long and often their initial vision ages out and has to evolve if the organisation is to stay relevant and best serve its beneficiaries. All the founder led charities I've worked with have strategic oddities that are the result of "founder feels" as opposed to sensible decisions re (eg) geographic remit and mean that they are not as efficient/ impactful as they might be.

On the other hand I have also seen the opposite where new trustees are cuckoos who enter an often successful charity and use it for their own ends - often in conflict with the original aims and sometimes to the destruction of the charity. And sometimes in these situations it is the original team that are the only ones keeping it on course or pick up the scraps.

AtIusvue · 26/03/2025 10:21

It’s 2025, Euro Princes princing about Africa, is it a good look.

He’s best off resigning from African Parks too.

Perhaps he should think local, maybe there’s a less affluent area in Monticeto he can help support, have pics taken with local kids etc…..wait, that’s right. There isn’t one.

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