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MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 15:54

Serenster · 28/03/2025 15:52

Telling a tale of woe about the time Kate wouldn't let you use her lip gloss will tend to pale into comparison

Kate did hand over her lipgloss, remember - the complaint was that she wasn’t sufficiently enthusiastic while doing so! Which Harry kindly decribed as “an awkward moment” that “left a little mark”.

😂😂😂
Oh my god they are soooo pathetic 😆

MissRoseDurward · 28/03/2025 15:55

I think the point is that these families are private

Exactly. They won't generally be seen at public events because they have no public role. And no-one needs to know whether they're invited to Sandringham or Balmoral as private guests at family parties.

I might discount anything Harry says, but Prince Seeiso is a different matter. It's his country, he's an educated man who's had roles in government and diplomacy. I imagine he would have very carefully considered before making any public statement.

Wasn't Lynda Chalker Minister for Overseas Development at one point?

Munnygirl · 28/03/2025 16:02

Weepixie · 28/03/2025 12:46

I do wonder how the dynamic and co-dependency going on between Harry and Meghan would play out if one of them wanted to reconcile with their family. Would the other one encourage it or do everything they could to make it not happen? Is the estrangement from both families a big part of what keeping them in love so to speak.

Edited

Excellent suggestive appraisal of the situation Weepixie

IdaGlossop · 28/03/2025 16:08

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 15:45

You're right, @GiveMeSpanakopita . Royal gossip sells, and H&M have been significant purveyors. No-one is allowed to sell gossip about them, of course!
Yes, using racism/colonialism whatnot has been a clever move for the old bank account. Who knew a pampered,silly prince could be such a social justice warrior?!
I think time will tell. They haven't earned loyalty or respect, and they're prepared to trash anyone for cash. It tends to bounce back onto people like that.
Live by the scurrilous gossip? Die by it.

The Royal family is a rich seam to mine for examples of racism and colonialism. A 2,000 year-old monarchy whose most senior member is head of state of the nation that built the biggest empire the world has ever known is absolutely bound to be laden with examples. So, low hanging fruit and easy money through an opportunity that came about at a point in human history when the zeitgeist was favourable. Not terribly honourable, unless the aim was to bring about change rather than to gossip.

Munnygirl · 28/03/2025 16:11

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 13:53

Yes, I can absolutely see that. But Harry very specifically describes being thrown into the air and falling from a height onto a dog bowl, which then shattered and caused lacerations to his back. Which Meghan then saw, and lo she was bestirred to a paroxysm of distress and rage, like a lioness raging over an injured cub. (Or she might have slid slowly down a wall, shaking with tears. One or the other; both are fairly frequent occurrence in Spare.)

Not stepping into a bowl, not skidding, not aquaplaning. Harry wants us to believe that William is possessed of some sort of superhuman, Orc-like strength.

Mind you, Harry also wants us to believe that Camilla is an evil stepmother plotting his reputational demise; that Meghan can commune with seals, and with the ghost of Diana; that Meghan booked for her father a first class flight on an airline which does not offer first class and moreover had no record of the booking; that his children were refused titles due to their mixed heritage; that Charles has the power to decide whether or not Harry gets a security detail at UK taxpayer expense; that Charles refused such security out of cruelty; and that William committed a sausage-related microaggression against him.

I sense that Harry's relationship with the truth is even shakier than his relationship with his family. Not quite NC, but low contact at the least.

Beautifully put especially the bit about William’s super human strength 💪

BasiliskStare · 28/03/2025 16:15

@Serenster If it only left a "little" mark - then clearly the lipgloss wan't worth handing over in the first place

Or have I misunderstood 😂

jeffgoldblum · 28/03/2025 16:15

Must get it from Charles!!! Who we were informed ripped a sink off the wall in fury!!!

MysticMel · 28/03/2025 16:16

It’s the “sausage-related microaggression” that had me collapsed on the floor in tears. Of laughter.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 16:16

IdaGlossop · 28/03/2025 16:08

The Royal family is a rich seam to mine for examples of racism and colonialism. A 2,000 year-old monarchy whose most senior member is head of state of the nation that built the biggest empire the world has ever known is absolutely bound to be laden with examples. So, low hanging fruit and easy money through an opportunity that came about at a point in human history when the zeitgeist was favourable. Not terribly honourable, unless the aim was to bring about change rather than to gossip.

Well. You're absolutely right, both about the content and the aims.
What about the USA, what about the treatment of the Native Americans? The USA has a very rich history of colonialism. As does Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal, the Medieval Islamic Empire, the Vikings, Romans, Greeks etc
So many countries tarnished with the odious trade in human exploitation.
As you say, low fruit, for personal gain.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 16:17

MysticMel · 28/03/2025 16:16

It’s the “sausage-related microaggression” that had me collapsed on the floor in tears. Of laughter.

😂😂

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 16:17

jeffgoldblum · 28/03/2025 16:15

Must get it from Charles!!! Who we were informed ripped a sink off the wall in fury!!!

I imagine him ripping his clothing and turning green!

PippistrelleBat · 28/03/2025 16:24

It might have been a financially successful move in the short term, but at what cost? They have burnt not just their relationship with the royal family but have also cut themselves off from the elite and become mere celebrities. Like most celebrities, they burn bright briefly and they have to be astute with their cash to make it last or grow it by some other means. There are plenty of ex-celebs who made a fortune then squandered it entirely.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 28/03/2025 16:25

Lifestooshort71 · 28/03/2025 07:20

Slight derail, I was brought up in the 50's to address cards to 'Mr and Mrs John Smith', this became shortened to 'Mr and Mrs J Smith' and only recently (after a big nudge from my daughter) has it become 'John and Mary Smith'. Will it ever become 'Mary and John Smith? Unlikely in my case, some habits are too hard to break. As you were....

I make a deliberate point of addressing cards to 'Mary and John Smith'. Always have. It irritates me because most of the cards I receive will be signed off "from John and Mary". Fuck that, I bought the cards and I am the one writing them! I've always signed off, "Mary, John, children"!!

jeffgoldblum · 28/03/2025 16:27

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 16:17

I imagine him ripping his clothing and turning green!

Pretty much what I replied at the time!! 🤣🤣

PippistrelleBat · 28/03/2025 16:29

IdaGlossop · 28/03/2025 16:08

The Royal family is a rich seam to mine for examples of racism and colonialism. A 2,000 year-old monarchy whose most senior member is head of state of the nation that built the biggest empire the world has ever known is absolutely bound to be laden with examples. So, low hanging fruit and easy money through an opportunity that came about at a point in human history when the zeitgeist was favourable. Not terribly honourable, unless the aim was to bring about change rather than to gossip.

The problem with ‘mining’ family history in this way is Harry cannot divorce himself from his ancestors on the way he can from his living relatives. If he were to say ‘Victoria oversaw this atrocity, isn’t the RF bad’ then he is included in that as are any financial assets he has.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 16:30

Absolutely, @PippistrelleBat , and by that reasoning, Archie and Lilibet.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/03/2025 16:31

It may be more that you didn’t recognise them (and they don’t really have a pubic profile) than they are shut out?

You're very likely right, @Serenster, and I honestly didn't know such as Sophie's dad spent Christmas at Sandringham so gladly put my hands up to mistakes on that one Smile

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/03/2025 16:38

They have burnt not just their relationship with the royal family but have also cut themselves off from the elite and become mere celebrities

I think that's a very valid point, @PippistrelleBat, especially about "the elite" who'll often ally themselves with whoever has the higher status

Should there ever be a reconciliation they'd probably follow the RF's lead, but I can't imagine things would ever be quite the same with the rest of the allies Harry once had

IdaGlossop · 28/03/2025 16:42

PippistrelleBat · 28/03/2025 16:29

The problem with ‘mining’ family history in this way is Harry cannot divorce himself from his ancestors on the way he can from his living relatives. If he were to say ‘Victoria oversaw this atrocity, isn’t the RF bad’ then he is included in that as are any financial assets he has.

Had Has been born brighter, he could have buried himself in an Oxbridge college, or at Berkeley, and written revisionist histories of empires (British, Portuguese, French, Italian, Dutch), colonisation (including the founding fathers and their swiping of lands from native Americans, the British in Australia and New Zealand and their seizure of Aboriginal and Maori land), and contemporaneous understandings of race, gender and equity (or lack thereof). In this scenario, his speaking circuit would have been the lecture hall rather than the high-end hotel and he would have made a respectable contribution to the sum of human knowledge. Here endeth my flight of fancy ✈

PippistrelleBat · 28/03/2025 16:47

IdaGlossop · 28/03/2025 16:42

Had Has been born brighter, he could have buried himself in an Oxbridge college, or at Berkeley, and written revisionist histories of empires (British, Portuguese, French, Italian, Dutch), colonisation (including the founding fathers and their swiping of lands from native Americans, the British in Australia and New Zealand and their seizure of Aboriginal and Maori land), and contemporaneous understandings of race, gender and equity (or lack thereof). In this scenario, his speaking circuit would have been the lecture hall rather than the high-end hotel and he would have made a respectable contribution to the sum of human knowledge. Here endeth my flight of fancy ✈

Academics, even American ones, don’t get paid enough.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 28/03/2025 16:49

Words · 28/03/2025 13:46

@PippistrelleBat I agrée that H has had far too much therapy, of thé wrong kind.

Being thé Spare is entirely normal in aristocratic families. It's just the way things are. Rather than inheriting the family estate (or what is left of it), and being saddled with the onerous responsibility of how to make it pay, the spare usually finds another avenue.

It's nothing remotely horrifying or unusual. It's not a term of denigration. Many of his pals at Eton would have been in a similar position.

It’s the same in farming families as well usually the eldest son Inherits the farm and the rest of the siblings don’t, and often with family businesses in general the eldest or the child most involved in the business will take over, it’s ridiculous for posters to spin that Harry is somehow unique in his position of being a spare and therefore in a “dysfunctional” or “toxic” family, it happens throughout the whole of society, he isn’t special.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 28/03/2025 16:49

My2cents1975 · 28/03/2025 13:36

I have never understood the narrative that having family members determine rank, housing and wages of other family member is some sort of miscarriage of justice. Why H is spun as being some sort of exception is a complete mystery given his entire extended family are subject to the exact same rules as he was.

Furthermore, H attended school with plenty of other aristo “spares” who were figuring out their lives with the understanding that they too were not going to inherit an estate. UK aristos either work for siblings who would determine housing and wages or strike out on their own. Most, however, do so without trashing their family of origin.

An obvious example is Prince Richard, current Duke of Gloucester, who the child of a “spare” and also a “spare” himself. He opted out of being a working royal and began a career in architecture. Tragically, his older brother died in a plane crash and R chose to give up his career as an architect and went on to serve his aunt and now his cousin as a working royal.

And it is not just UK aristos. Perhaps H can ask his new Nigerian "in-laws" how inheritance is determined there. In Yoruba culture, the eldest male child, or Dawodu, automatically assumes control, management, and trusteeship of their deceased father’s estate. Sound familiar? Or Igbo culture which follows a patrilineal system where only male children can inherit, with the first son (called the “Okpala”) receiving the lion's share as the new family head. Or Hausa-Fulani culture where family law follows Sharia.

It's not even limited to aristos. There are thousands of farming families around the country where one child inherits. The others might work for/with them, but many will end up having spent their youth serving the farm to needing a new skillset.

My dad was one of six - it was actually the youngest son who took the farm on after he quit his nautical engineering career.

ETA: My family were actually scrupulous in division of assets though - they split the profits of the farm to support their disabled sister, the brother doing the majority of the work, then only the remainder going to other siblings.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 28/03/2025 16:50

BigWillyLittleTodger · 28/03/2025 16:49

It’s the same in farming families as well usually the eldest son Inherits the farm and the rest of the siblings don’t, and often with family businesses in general the eldest or the child most involved in the business will take over, it’s ridiculous for posters to spin that Harry is somehow unique in his position of being a spare and therefore in a “dysfunctional” or “toxic” family, it happens throughout the whole of society, he isn’t special.

Haha, snap!

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 28/03/2025 16:53

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 08:15

I definitely think Thomas has done worse.

I think any father who appears on a tv documentary and says in so many words, that they have raised their daughter and it’s now time for monetary payback, is not worthy of the name father. Seriously, what loving father says that?

He totally embarrassed his daughter over the wedding with the set up photos too and in no way do I buy the innocent old confused man act either, a false image put forward by Piers Morgan in order to attack Meghan further. Thomas was a lighting engineer on film sets for many years. He knew what he was doing and he behaved despicably.

The whole thing, bar maybe the set up photos, could have been avoided if Meghan had kept her father onside. The more she closed him out, the more bitter he became, and more and more vocal. I don't recall him saying anything about money but I didn't follow it closely so I don't know.

It's beyond bizarre that Harry never met his wife's father. Wasn't it rumoured that the Queen wanted them to go to see Thomas to settle the whole thing down?

I think he became increasingly embittered and he was vengeful then, which to an extent you can understand. His pampered princess baby girl, who he'd brought up single handedly for years had cut him off without so much as a backward glance. Meghan was happy enough to set up photo opportunities. Why was it such a crime that he did the same?

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 17:00

She didn't want him to meet Harry, and she certainly didn't want him at the wedding.

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