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MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 13:50

Words · 28/03/2025 13:46

@PippistrelleBat I agrée that H has had far too much therapy, of thé wrong kind.

Being thé Spare is entirely normal in aristocratic families. It's just the way things are. Rather than inheriting the family estate (or what is left of it), and being saddled with the onerous responsibility of how to make it pay, the spare usually finds another avenue.

It's nothing remotely horrifying or unusual. It's not a term of denigration. Many of his pals at Eton would have been in a similar position.

Quite. So he's not the heir to the throne? He's a multimillionaire prince who could have done so many positive things with his contacts, wealth and influence.
Instead, he chose not to, and to wear his situation as a badge of victimhood.

MissRoseDurward · 28/03/2025 13:50

I certainly think being part of an institution where your father and sibling determine your rank, housing and wage...

But Harry's father and sibling don't determine his rank. All their ranks are equally determined, within the monarchy. And he was always at liberty to choose his own housing and earn his own wage - which he opted to do in 2020.

Being a working royal is like working for a family business, and in that case the head of the business will determine your status within the firm and your wage, and possibly where you live if it's necessary for the job.

But somehow people never want to give up the royal status - the Duke of Windsor, Princess Margaret, Prince Harry.... The person who possibly came closest to it was Prince Philip's mother, Princess Alice of Battenberg/Princess Andrew of Greece.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 13:53

Words · 28/03/2025 13:36

For the first time I find we are at odds @GiveMeSpanakopita Grin

Re thé Mysterious Incident of thé Dog Bowl in the ( oh never mind!)

I can entirely see if there was an unseemly pulling and pushing thing going on in thé kitchen between the brothers it would be very easy for Harry to step back onto a bowl or something, skid, and fall over.

Those things (especially thé lighter kind, not thé Mason Pearson ones) aquaplane like mad on surfaces like quarry tiles. I've done it myself, all on my own! Christ it hurt.

Although my quarry tiles are not elevated with curated designs of precious ink harvested from organic plants on the slopes of the Botswana mountains. So what do I know? 🤣

Yes, I can absolutely see that. But Harry very specifically describes being thrown into the air and falling from a height onto a dog bowl, which then shattered and caused lacerations to his back. Which Meghan then saw, and lo she was bestirred to a paroxysm of distress and rage, like a lioness raging over an injured cub. (Or she might have slid slowly down a wall, shaking with tears. One or the other; both are fairly frequent occurrence in Spare.)

Not stepping into a bowl, not skidding, not aquaplaning. Harry wants us to believe that William is possessed of some sort of superhuman, Orc-like strength.

Mind you, Harry also wants us to believe that Camilla is an evil stepmother plotting his reputational demise; that Meghan can commune with seals, and with the ghost of Diana; that Meghan booked for her father a first class flight on an airline which does not offer first class and moreover had no record of the booking; that his children were refused titles due to their mixed heritage; that Charles has the power to decide whether or not Harry gets a security detail at UK taxpayer expense; that Charles refused such security out of cruelty; and that William committed a sausage-related microaggression against him.

I sense that Harry's relationship with the truth is even shakier than his relationship with his family. Not quite NC, but low contact at the least.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 13:54

Ah, but what is the truth, @GiveMeSpanakopita ? Harry himself was very clear.
He has no idea.

Words · 28/03/2025 13:56

I need to dig out my copy of Spare and re read the incident!

BasiliskStare · 28/03/2025 13:57

@GiveMeSpanakopita I too cry foul on the Great Dog Bowl Incident.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11601623/Inside-Nott-Cott-Harry-claims-piping-hot-William-knocked-dog-bowl.html

I am not an expert on PR / the media / running charities / Lesotho and so much else . I am a dog owner however and have been for many years. I agree Dog bowls are sturdy. Also note the photograph below. So perhaps Harry previously had an eggshell porcelain dog bowl (and had to replace it after the GDI. ) That said I still think the falling would have to be from a reasonable height as you say and precisely aimed. I still think physics is against it. Also perhaps the dog bowls have been relocated from the middle of the floor where they were in danger of being a pushing over hazard to the end of the kitchen where even slippage on a freshly mopped floor would not mean back injuries. Or the story is an utter fabrication. Who can know ? But based on my dog bowl knowledge I'm thinking Occam's razor .

I see the Daily Mail was careful to say these bowls could be replacements but I think even if a soft paste porcelain bowl was involved it would still be a "I bet you could do that 50,000 times and it wouldn't happen again" situation.

🐾

Inside home where Harry 'claims William knocked him onto dog bowl'

Harry and Meghan lived in Nottingham Cottage, a residence dubbed 'Nott Cott' set within the grounds of Kensington Palace, from 2016 before they moved to Frogmore Cottage in April 2019.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11601623/Inside-Nott-Cott-Harry-claims-piping-hot-William-knocked-dog-bowl.html

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 13:58

"Stephen, I'll take Things That Never Happened for £150".

Words · 28/03/2025 14:00

Sausage related micro aggression Grin

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 14:00

Words · 28/03/2025 14:00

Sausage related micro aggression Grin

😂😂😂

smilesy · 28/03/2025 14:10

Words · 28/03/2025 14:00

Sausage related micro aggression Grin

Indeed. What actually happened was that there was a succulent sausage in the dog bowl and William was trying to prevent the unseemly occurrence of Harry swooping down to swipe it from the poor hound, who may or may not have already licked said sausage 🤷‍♀️

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 14:12

Having witnessed Harry's behaviour following the odd sweet sherry, Wiliiam was probably trying to avert another incident.

Serenster · 28/03/2025 14:20

I honestly don't recall much of a presence from any of the other inlaws and certainly not since the late Queen's children started getting married
The Phillipses, the Rhys Jonses, Ferguson (except with his "Massage parlours"), the Tindalls, the Kellys, the Brookbanks ... I couldn't even tell you what most of the parents looked like

It may be more that you didn’t recognise them (and they don’t really have a pubic profile) than they are shut out? Sophie is a case in point. Her mother died many years ago but her father has often been seen at Sandringham for Christmas (here he is walking next to Philip) and joined her at Ascot most years (here he is in the carriage parade sitting next to Beatrice). He’s joined Sophie on engagements too. Diana’s sisters were seen with her frequently - they often borrowed her clothes! The Middletons are obviously seen publicly at some events Kate attends.

Several of them also aren’t around - Autumn Kelly’s family was in Canada and Sarah Ferguson’s mother was in Argentina (here her sister Jane was seen every now and again when Sarah was a working royal). Mike Tindall’s father was diagnosed with Parkinson’s int he early 2000s and is now frail with his mother as his main carer. Jack Brooksbank’s father passed away. Etc.

Harry resigns from Sentebale, the charity he founded!
Harry resigns from Sentebale, the charity he founded!
MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 14:22

I think the point is that these families are private, and respect the privacy of the RF.
Unlike Harry and Meghan, who seem to think it's some sort of cash machine.

Weepixie · 28/03/2025 14:26

Regarding in-laws. I recall reading that the late Queen was very fond of Sophie’s father and he did feature in family life.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 14:28

Weepixie · 28/03/2025 14:26

Regarding in-laws. I recall reading that the late Queen was very fond of Sophie’s father and he did feature in family life.

Wasn't he invited to Sandringham every year after he was widowed? A very private man.

Lunde · 28/03/2025 14:52

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 10:11

I'd also be willing to bet a moderate amount of money (not a lot mind, I'm only about 75% confident!) that the interview The Times has this morning with Tory peer Baroness Chalker of Wallasey, in which she casts personal aspersions against Dr C, was done at the behest of Harry's PR / Harry.

I won't clog the thread explaining all the little tells I see but it's a very common tactic in PR 'wars' to use friends with the requisite amount of gravitas to make your point for you, and still appear to keep your hands clean.

Harry's PR working overtime these past 48 hours, good on 'em. It's been good work so far, and I hope they're well paid.

This is Linda Chalker right? Former Tory minister under Thatcher who was on the board of Sentable until 31 October 2024

PippistrelleBat · 28/03/2025 15:13

Traditionally it was the first son inherited the estate, the second son was bought a commission in the armed forces, and the third son was given a ‘living’ in the church.

But if you are railing against the injustice of birth order then you are also blinkered to the wider injustice that meant even as a second son your birth has given you privilege and wealth.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 15:16

Imagine anyone spending their waking hours complaining that they're a rich white prince 🙄

Lunde · 28/03/2025 15:19

Puzzledandpissedoff · Today 13:13 - The Phillipses, the Rhys Jonses, Ferguson (except with his "Massage parlours"), the Tindalls, the Kellys, the Brookbanks ... I couldn't even tell you what most of the parents looked like

The Phillipses - do you mean Mark Phillips' parents who have been dead for 30-40 years? Or Mark Phillips himself? Obviously with the messy divorce and him cheating with a woman in New Zealand and fathering a baby while married to Princess Anne was problematic. But he was invited to HMTQ's funeral

Rhys Jonses - I remember that the Queen used to invite him to Christmas at Sandringham after his wife died and he was sometimes pictured walking to church with Prince Phillip.

Fergussons - Fergies parents have both been dead for 20-25 years. Her mother married a polo player and moved to Argentina after they divorced in the 1970s whereas her father had quite a bit of contacts as they moved in the same polo circles - which is how Andrew and Fergie met

Tindalls, Brooksbanks Kellys - not sure exactly how close you would expect the RF to be with the parents of the husband/wife of the granddaughter/grandson of the Queen (parents of King Charles niece/nephew). The Kellys are Canadian as well

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 15:34

Lunde · 28/03/2025 14:52

This is Linda Chalker right? Former Tory minister under Thatcher who was on the board of Sentable until 31 October 2024

I guess it's the same person, I'd never heard of them myself. All I know is that there's a Tory peer called Baroness Chalker who's in today's Times going in hard against Dr C.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 15:40

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 14:22

I think the point is that these families are private, and respect the privacy of the RF.
Unlike Harry and Meghan, who seem to think it's some sort of cash machine.

To be fair to them, selling scurrilous stories has been their most viable income stream to date.

The Netflix docu in which they 'called out' the evil, racist and colonialist RF was a huge hit (OK, it turned out not to have much replay value, but NF's KPIs related to new subs, and that docu brought in a fair few). The other programmes they've done haven't done anywhere near as well. Spotify was a disaster.

Their best income stream is RF gossip and, in a commercial sense alone, I don't blame them for doing everything they can to maximise it. The problem is that the RF have clearly taken steps to cut off that source of gossip.

If Meghan's influencing career doesn't pay, she and Harry are going to have to invent remember a few more of those terrible racist microaggressions to pay the bills.

That's if Dr C's promised account of racist macroaggressions doesn't hit them first, that is. Telling a tale of woe about the time Kate wouldn't let you use her lip gloss will tend to pale into comparison with some juicy and well evidenced accusations of real harrassment, bullying, racism and misogyny.

Vespanest · 28/03/2025 15:42

Harry has placed his own children into the hierarchy, that was his choice to do. He has never had a problem with his seniority just being subordinate to William, just as Lilibet is now subordinate to Archie. If he found this institutional grading so demoralising why the eff do it to his own children.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 15:45

You're right, @GiveMeSpanakopita . Royal gossip sells, and H&M have been significant purveyors. No-one is allowed to sell gossip about them, of course!
Yes, using racism/colonialism whatnot has been a clever move for the old bank account. Who knew a pampered,silly prince could be such a social justice warrior?!
I think time will tell. They haven't earned loyalty or respect, and they're prepared to trash anyone for cash. It tends to bounce back onto people like that.
Live by the scurrilous gossip? Die by it.

Lunde · 28/03/2025 15:47

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 15:34

I guess it's the same person, I'd never heard of them myself. All I know is that there's a Tory peer called Baroness Chalker who's in today's Times going in hard against Dr C.

Yes I checked it up Lynda Chalker, former Conservative Minister and now Life-Peer is Baroness Chalker of Wallasay. She was on the Board of Senetable until last year

Serenster · 28/03/2025 15:52

Telling a tale of woe about the time Kate wouldn't let you use her lip gloss will tend to pale into comparison

Kate did hand over her lipgloss, remember - the complaint was that she wasn’t sufficiently enthusiastic while doing so! Which Harry kindly decribed as “an awkward moment” that “left a little mark”.

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