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GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:28

Munnygirl · 28/03/2025 09:16

Absolutely. The way some people go on about Thomas Markle it’s as if he’s committed the crime of the century

The pap set-up photos were mildly embarrassing at best. Definitely not worth the calumnies he's subsequently been subject to.

If you go back and give Spare a close re-reading you will see that JR Moehringer has to work quite hard to make H&M's reaction to T Markle's harmless actions seem like something worth going NC over.

MrsLeonFarrell · 28/03/2025 09:30

JoyousEagle · 28/03/2025 09:21

Yeah that’s true. But I guess not much of that is long term income if their security is expensive. I think he’s left Better Up now. I view her as a bit more focused on their/her ongoing activities away from explicitly RF related stuff, which I assume she realises they can’t use forever (I mean, it will always be the thing that makes them famous, but in terms of money from books and documentaries there’s a limit).

He is still on the Better Up website, he seems to still be involved.

Weepixie · 28/03/2025 09:34

Munnygirl · 28/03/2025 09:13

Rubbish. Thomas Markle was never going to be at the wedding because she is ashamed of him. He didn’t kill anyone he had a few pictures taken of him trying on a wedding suit. Big deal. Megan had a total overreaction and it was the perfect get out to stop him from attending.

Amen.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:38

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 09:28

I am talking about the legal dispute between Board and Chair.

Yes, but you also made some assertions of your view about the media / PR elements of the whole thing, in the section of your comment which begins "The press is doing that clever thing...." and ends with "...and tried to vote her off."

I think that your assumptions are wrong and I have explained why.

You know upthread where you said that you found the lack of knowledge about charities on this thread to be "mindblowing"? Well, the wonderful thing about these threads (and IRL) is that we all bring different areas of expertise to the conversation. We have women on this thread skilled and knowledgeable in law, non-European cultures, history, commerce, marketing, influencing, psychology and loads more. It's fantastic! But I would never find someone else's lack of knowledge in a niche area to be 'mindblowing'. We can't all know everything about everything. The last person who was said to know everything about everything was John Donne. And that was in the 16th century. (And I think we can safely say that his reputed level of knowledge was somewhat exaggerated ;-) )

I know a lot about media relations because that's my job. You made some faulty assumptions which I corrected. As you have kindly explained to us about how charities work.

Bringing all our areas of expertise together makes for the fabulous convos we have on this thread!

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:38

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:18

He's never met Harry. He's never even seen his grandchildren.

I always found it strange that Harry never met TM before the engagement. At that point ( as far as I know ) TM hadn’t committed any faux pas .
Almost as if Meghan wanted to keep them apart ….

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:38

MrsLeonFarrell · 28/03/2025 09:30

He is still on the Better Up website, he seems to still be involved.

Better Up is a real rabbit hole...loads of allegations of toxicity and bullying. It doesn't seem to be a very happy or pleasant workplace.

MrsLeonFarrell · 28/03/2025 09:39

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:38

Better Up is a real rabbit hole...loads of allegations of toxicity and bullying. It doesn't seem to be a very happy or pleasant workplace.

Yes it isn't somewhere I would go to for mental health support.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:39

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:38

I always found it strange that Harry never met TM before the engagement. At that point ( as far as I know ) TM hadn’t committed any faux pas .
Almost as if Meghan wanted to keep them apart ….

Quite. I wonder why..🤔

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:40

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:38

Better Up is a real rabbit hole...loads of allegations of toxicity and bullying. It doesn't seem to be a very happy or pleasant workplace.

How unpleasant.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:41

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:18

He's never met Harry. He's never even seen his grandchildren.

Yes, I think it's very sad that H&M haven't gone to see T Markle and take the kids. He's only just over the border, it's like 2.5 hours from LA to Tijuana. Crazy stuff, very sad.

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 09:42

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:28

The pap set-up photos were mildly embarrassing at best. Definitely not worth the calumnies he's subsequently been subject to.

If you go back and give Spare a close re-reading you will see that JR Moehringer has to work quite hard to make H&M's reaction to T Markle's harmless actions seem like something worth going NC over.

Did you mean to reply to me? I don’t think Markel’s dad is involved with the Sentebale Board is he?

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 09:44

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:41

Yes, I think it's very sad that H&M haven't gone to see T Markle and take the kids. He's only just over the border, it's like 2.5 hours from LA to Tijuana. Crazy stuff, very sad.

if he was my dad selling stories on me I would be very mad. And I bet if I wrote to this forum you would all tell me to go NC.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:45

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:40

How unpleasant.

Yes agreed, it certainly seems very unpleasant if you read and listen to the experiences of former employees.

On Glassdoor (so verified employees) one calls it a 'toxic train wreck'. Someone else describes it as 'psychologically unsafe' which is a bit too Gen Z-speak for me, but, ya know. West Coast ways of speaking :-)

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:45

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 09:44

if he was my dad selling stories on me I would be very mad. And I bet if I wrote to this forum you would all tell me to go NC.

They sell stories about Harry's family. In fact it's been their earner for a few years..

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 09:46

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:45

They sell stories about Harry's family. In fact it's been their earner for a few years..

I agree !

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:46

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 09:44

if he was my dad selling stories on me I would be very mad. And I bet if I wrote to this forum you would all tell me to go NC.

Is it worse than H and M selling stories about the RF ?

Serenster · 28/03/2025 09:55

The press is doing that clever thing of subtly twisting the truth to place Harry at the centre of this battle which is between the Board and its Chair.

I think you are forgetting that Harry and Prince Seeiso have intentionally placed themselves at the centre of this battle by resigning in sympathy with the Board and making an announcement that they have done so. They have openly taken sides in the dispute, knowing that Harry’s position in this would be heavily covered.

Another perfectly possible outcome would have been a stateent along the lines of “The two patrons are saddened to see the dispute between the senior management of their charity, but as the matters at issue are subject to ongoing litigation, they won’t be making a comment. They remain strongly committed to Sentabale and its aims, however.”

That’s not where we are though, is it? Harry is quite clearly briefing against his CEO by going to People Magazine and Bryony Gordon.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 28/03/2025 10:03

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:38

I always found it strange that Harry never met TM before the engagement. At that point ( as far as I know ) TM hadn’t committed any faux pas .
Almost as if Meghan wanted to keep them apart ….

Its one of the things that stood out for me in the engagement interview they did, when the reporter brought it up there was a bit of vagueness and waffle about why they hadn't met and when that would happen and it was glossed over and onto the next.

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 10:04

Serenster · 28/03/2025 09:55

The press is doing that clever thing of subtly twisting the truth to place Harry at the centre of this battle which is between the Board and its Chair.

I think you are forgetting that Harry and Prince Seeiso have intentionally placed themselves at the centre of this battle by resigning in sympathy with the Board and making an announcement that they have done so. They have openly taken sides in the dispute, knowing that Harry’s position in this would be heavily covered.

Another perfectly possible outcome would have been a stateent along the lines of “The two patrons are saddened to see the dispute between the senior management of their charity, but as the matters at issue are subject to ongoing litigation, they won’t be making a comment. They remain strongly committed to Sentabale and its aims, however.”

That’s not where we are though, is it? Harry is quite clearly briefing against his CEO by going to People Magazine and Bryony Gordon.

Edited

Isn’t it right that a patron sides with the Board they have been working alongside and trusted for years? If your Board puts in a vote of no confidence in the Chair it is pretty damning.

ithink these are tricky matters. If it was me I would probably respond the way that you suggest but then again I am a bit cowardly and I think you probably have to trust your board. Anyway I await more revelations with interest.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/03/2025 10:05

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:38

I always found it strange that Harry never met TM before the engagement. At that point ( as far as I know ) TM hadn’t committed any faux pas .
Almost as if Meghan wanted to keep them apart ….

For me there's no "almost" about it, Mylovelygreendress, but then Meghan's shown herself to have a loose relationship with the truth and if she was spinning a certain narrative about herself it would be only natural to want Harry kept away from someone who may have blown a hole in it

Nanny0gg · 28/03/2025 10:07

AtIusvue · 25/03/2025 22:59

Sentebale:

'This followed Sentebale’s confirmation of its strategy to redeploy senior roles to be proximate to most of the team and programmes in Southern Africa. The recalibration of the Board is, therefore, part of Sentebale’s ambitious transformation agenda.'

So all the hooray Henry’s got kicked out 😂

Do you know who was on the board?

I don't think any of them was a Hooray Henry

And Prince Seeiso of Lesotho founded it with him.

It will be interesting to view the accounts and the result of the Charity Commission's review at the end of this

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 10:08

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/03/2025 10:05

For me there's no "almost" about it, Mylovelygreendress, but then Meghan's shown herself to have a loose relationship with the truth and if she was spinning a certain narrative about herself it would be only natural to want Harry kept away from someone who may have blown a hole in it

That's what I thought. Otherwise, why never introduce your Dad to your fiancee/husband? At that time she was still sharing positive stuff about TM.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 10:11

Serenster · 28/03/2025 09:55

The press is doing that clever thing of subtly twisting the truth to place Harry at the centre of this battle which is between the Board and its Chair.

I think you are forgetting that Harry and Prince Seeiso have intentionally placed themselves at the centre of this battle by resigning in sympathy with the Board and making an announcement that they have done so. They have openly taken sides in the dispute, knowing that Harry’s position in this would be heavily covered.

Another perfectly possible outcome would have been a stateent along the lines of “The two patrons are saddened to see the dispute between the senior management of their charity, but as the matters at issue are subject to ongoing litigation, they won’t be making a comment. They remain strongly committed to Sentabale and its aims, however.”

That’s not where we are though, is it? Harry is quite clearly briefing against his CEO by going to People Magazine and Bryony Gordon.

Edited

I'd also be willing to bet a moderate amount of money (not a lot mind, I'm only about 75% confident!) that the interview The Times has this morning with Tory peer Baroness Chalker of Wallasey, in which she casts personal aspersions against Dr C, was done at the behest of Harry's PR / Harry.

I won't clog the thread explaining all the little tells I see but it's a very common tactic in PR 'wars' to use friends with the requisite amount of gravitas to make your point for you, and still appear to keep your hands clean.

Harry's PR working overtime these past 48 hours, good on 'em. It's been good work so far, and I hope they're well paid.

Vespanest · 28/03/2025 10:51

I quick reminder that a week visiting Charles Harry decided to include his visit in a tv special interview which was presumably meant to be about Invictus that was carefully scripted. He choose to talk about William, the special included photographs of William's children but of course not his own. It was the love and reconciliation interview.

Serenster · 28/03/2025 10:52

Isn’t it right that a patron sides with the Board they have been working alongside and trusted for years? If your Board puts in a vote of no confidence in the Chair it is pretty damning.

You do know that Dr C was a board member of Sentabale for some years herself before she took on the role of CEO? She’s not someone Harry and the other Board members could regard as an outsider.

And there are plenty of examples out there of Boards backing the wrong side in a dispute. Often because they were appointed by the majority shareholder primarily to support their interests. Which could be what’s going on here - we don’t know.

(there’s a great case going through the courts at the moment where the founder and main shareholder of a company sacked his whole Executive Committee to frustrate an investigation they were managing into his conduct - there were multiple allegations he’d been sexually harassing staff. Once he sacked the ExCo he declared the investigation had to be closed, as he was the only executive left and clearly had a conflict of interest. The Board did nothing….).

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