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JoyousEagle · 28/03/2025 09:00

MrsLeonFarrell · 28/03/2025 07:10

Whilst I feel somewhat sorry for Meghan, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Harry. How distent things would have been if he really was the family loving, cheeky chappie the palace sold us for so long.

I feel a bit sorry for her as well. What does Harry actually do now?
Meghan did her Netflix show, the Instagram influencer/affiliate links thing, a new podcast, & As Ever. None of it is my cup of tea and I don’t know how successful any of it will be (although I don’t know if her new podcast will be like her first) but she’s undoubtedly throwing a lot of things out there to see what sticks and where she can make money.
I think it’s clear which one of them has worked before, and which one has never actually needed to and has always had the way smoothed for him.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:01

Very true, @JoyousEagle

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 09:02

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 08:49

You have no idea what happened at the meeting of Charles and Harry. Charles was ill. Harry had spent the previous few years monetising the privacy of his family, being highly critical, presenting himself as a victim and making many dubious claims. I find it extraordinary that anyone would roll out the red carpet for such a person.

You have no idea what happened at the meeting of Charles and Harry

By that definition, nor do you!

If I had cancer, as a parent of adult children,
my relationship with them would be my absolute first priority, over everything else. Even if I had perceived one of them as having gone astray. I believe that would be the ultimate priority and focus of most reasonable parents.

I think Charles has some good points, but I don’t think parenting has ever been his priority or strong point and that’s partly down to the pressures that being the member of a toxic institution puts on its members, and partly down to having been parented very poorly himself.

PippistrelleBat · 28/03/2025 09:03

Lifestooshort71 · 28/03/2025 07:20

Slight derail, I was brought up in the 50's to address cards to 'Mr and Mrs John Smith', this became shortened to 'Mr and Mrs J Smith' and only recently (after a big nudge from my daughter) has it become 'John and Mary Smith'. Will it ever become 'Mary and John Smith? Unlikely in my case, some habits are too hard to break. As you were....

Etiquette is that when using first names it should always be ‘Mary and John Smith’

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:03

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 09:02

You have no idea what happened at the meeting of Charles and Harry

By that definition, nor do you!

If I had cancer, as a parent of adult children,
my relationship with them would be my absolute first priority, over everything else. Even if I had perceived one of them as having gone astray. I believe that would be the ultimate priority and focus of most reasonable parents.

I think Charles has some good points, but I don’t think parenting has ever been his priority or strong point and that’s partly down to the pressures that being the member of a toxic institution puts on its members, and partly down to having been parented very poorly himself.

I have had cancer and although my family rallied round and I have a great relationship with my adult DC and DGC , the fact is I was ill , reeling after the diagnosis and just wanted to be in a sort of cocoon with DH .

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:04

I never said I did.
However. Harry had spent the previous years invading his family's privacy and embellishing stories.
For money.
I'd keep him at arm's length. Imagine saying something anodyne to him, then he's on some chat show complaining about it.

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:05

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:04

I never said I did.
However. Harry had spent the previous years invading his family's privacy and embellishing stories.
For money.
I'd keep him at arm's length. Imagine saying something anodyne to him, then he's on some chat show complaining about it.

Exactly . And that is why Harry only found out about Catherine’s cancer along with the rest of the world.

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 09:05

He is not on the Board. He is a patron. Boards are made up of people from diverse backgrounds and have expertise in their various fields. Harry doesn’t have to know how a Board runs because they are expected to be trustworthy and able and act independently of the Patron. The press is doing that clever thing of subtly twisting the truth to place Harry at the centre of this battle which is between the Board and its Chair. Chandauka’s quote which seemed to implicate Harry is misleading. My guess is that it was taken out of context (she might have been using him to make a general point about white saviourism which is valid because he set up the foundation when he was very young and didn’t have a clue about the political or philosophical implications) but it is very important to remember that it was the Board of Trustees that tried to vote her off. They act independently of Harry. When the trustees resigned he and the other co-founder also stepped down. In many ways it signals - whether they intend it to or not - that the organisation has outgrown its origin and is moving in a new direction. What is sad for Harry is that it has happened in an acrimonious way but that acrimony is not of his making as far as I can make out. I repeat: the acrimony is between the board and its Chair.

Also, those saying that the Board is made up of Harry’s mates. Again this is misleading. Boards are ever changing. All the trustees will be different to when the organisation was founded because they have to step down after a certain period (say 5 years). The Chair and other trustees seek out and appoint new Board members.

Serenster · 28/03/2025 09:06

JoyousEagle · 28/03/2025 09:00

I feel a bit sorry for her as well. What does Harry actually do now?
Meghan did her Netflix show, the Instagram influencer/affiliate links thing, a new podcast, & As Ever. None of it is my cup of tea and I don’t know how successful any of it will be (although I don’t know if her new podcast will be like her first) but she’s undoubtedly throwing a lot of things out there to see what sticks and where she can make money.
I think it’s clear which one of them has worked before, and which one has never actually needed to and has always had the way smoothed for him.

I don’t disagree that Meghan has far more skills than Harry, but it’s only fair to point out that he’s nonetheless been the party that has to date bought the money into their relationship. The enormous profits of Spare, his paid CHIMPO role, their Netflix documentary, their “Royal” tours and their Invictus promotions all follow from Harry’s personal family status.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 28/03/2025 09:06

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:00

Also, for someone who would likely monetise what his father said on some ghastly chat show?

Or Spare part II: Still a Spare Prat.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:08

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:05

Exactly . And that is why Harry only found out about Catherine’s cancer along with the rest of the world.

Very sensible of the RF.

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 09:08

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:03

I have had cancer and although my family rallied round and I have a great relationship with my adult DC and DGC , the fact is I was ill , reeling after the diagnosis and just wanted to be in a sort of cocoon with DH .

I’m very sorry to hear that you went through that awful experience Mylovelygreendress.

I very much hope that you are in good health now 💐

PippistrelleBat · 28/03/2025 09:09

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 08:12

I think you're right, @Ellmau . It's just so self absorbed and ridiculous. Lots of people have trauma. He's had the means and opportunity to get top class therapy, and work on dealing with his issues and moving on with life. He's not had to go to out to work, deal with childcare, go the supermarket etc while on a waiting list referred by his GP.
Time to move on.

Harry has had too much therapy.

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 09:10

Thank you @Theeverdisappearingpen55

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:10

PippistrelleBat · 28/03/2025 09:09

Harry has had too much therapy.

Certainly the sort that doesn't help him. Or maybe he didn't work with it.

Munnygirl · 28/03/2025 09:13

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 08:15

I definitely think Thomas has done worse.

I think any father who appears on a tv documentary and says in so many words, that they have raised their daughter and it’s now time for monetary payback, is not worthy of the name father. Seriously, what loving father says that?

He totally embarrassed his daughter over the wedding with the set up photos too and in no way do I buy the innocent old confused man act either, a false image put forward by Piers Morgan in order to attack Meghan further. Thomas was a lighting engineer on film sets for many years. He knew what he was doing and he behaved despicably.

Rubbish. Thomas Markle was never going to be at the wedding because she is ashamed of him. He didn’t kill anyone he had a few pictures taken of him trying on a wedding suit. Big deal. Megan had a total overreaction and it was the perfect get out to stop him from attending.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:14

Munnygirl · 28/03/2025 09:13

Rubbish. Thomas Markle was never going to be at the wedding because she is ashamed of him. He didn’t kill anyone he had a few pictures taken of him trying on a wedding suit. Big deal. Megan had a total overreaction and it was the perfect get out to stop him from attending.

Good points. Her and Harry have done far worse to his family.

Munnygirl · 28/03/2025 09:16

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:14

Good points. Her and Harry have done far worse to his family.

Absolutely. The way some people go on about Thomas Markle it’s as if he’s committed the crime of the century

MrsLeonFarrell · 28/03/2025 09:16

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 09:02

You have no idea what happened at the meeting of Charles and Harry

By that definition, nor do you!

If I had cancer, as a parent of adult children,
my relationship with them would be my absolute first priority, over everything else. Even if I had perceived one of them as having gone astray. I believe that would be the ultimate priority and focus of most reasonable parents.

I think Charles has some good points, but I don’t think parenting has ever been his priority or strong point and that’s partly down to the pressures that being the member of a toxic institution puts on its members, and partly down to having been parented very poorly himself.

The phrase 'toxic institution' is used a lot without much evidence as far as I can see. It has problems and it makes mistakes but I feel toxic is harsh.

I'm sure Charles would like nothing better than to be in close contact with his son but the last time he spoke to him during a difficult period, after Philip's funeral, the conversation was put in Harry's book. Why add the stress of wondering whether your privacy will be breached again to an already difficult situation?

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:18

Munnygirl · 28/03/2025 09:16

Absolutely. The way some people go on about Thomas Markle it’s as if he’s committed the crime of the century

He's never met Harry. He's never even seen his grandchildren.

JoyousEagle · 28/03/2025 09:21

Serenster · 28/03/2025 09:06

I don’t disagree that Meghan has far more skills than Harry, but it’s only fair to point out that he’s nonetheless been the party that has to date bought the money into their relationship. The enormous profits of Spare, his paid CHIMPO role, their Netflix documentary, their “Royal” tours and their Invictus promotions all follow from Harry’s personal family status.

Yeah that’s true. But I guess not much of that is long term income if their security is expensive. I think he’s left Better Up now. I view her as a bit more focused on their/her ongoing activities away from explicitly RF related stuff, which I assume she realises they can’t use forever (I mean, it will always be the thing that makes them famous, but in terms of money from books and documentaries there’s a limit).

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/03/2025 09:24

I think it’s clear which one of them has worked before, and which one has never actually needed to and has always had the way smoothed for him

Very true, @JoyousEagle, and unless something like illness prevented Harry working I'd be a bit "hmmm" about being the only one appearing to do much

That said Meghan would never have had some of the opportunities she's been offered if it wasn't for him, and though she had money of her own to start with he had far more - plus of course we've no way of knowing whether Charles is still subbing them

MaturingCheeseball · 28/03/2025 09:25

@Theeverdisappearingpen55 - of course Charles is a father, and behind the scenes all rumours are that he has been very “accommodating” to Harry financially. But he is also The King, and as such cannot be unguarded with someone who has not only bad-mouthed the family but was dragging a Netflix crew behind him. Charles may love his son, but Harry has lost his trust.

Btw I used to address Christmas cards etc formally, but now put the name of the person I know the most first, eg Richard and Rachel where Richard is dh’s bro and Ruby the sil. (Although I note “Rachel” always puts her name first on things so there is maybe a very, very pass-agg point being made which I can’t work out…).

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:26

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 09:05

He is not on the Board. He is a patron. Boards are made up of people from diverse backgrounds and have expertise in their various fields. Harry doesn’t have to know how a Board runs because they are expected to be trustworthy and able and act independently of the Patron. The press is doing that clever thing of subtly twisting the truth to place Harry at the centre of this battle which is between the Board and its Chair. Chandauka’s quote which seemed to implicate Harry is misleading. My guess is that it was taken out of context (she might have been using him to make a general point about white saviourism which is valid because he set up the foundation when he was very young and didn’t have a clue about the political or philosophical implications) but it is very important to remember that it was the Board of Trustees that tried to vote her off. They act independently of Harry. When the trustees resigned he and the other co-founder also stepped down. In many ways it signals - whether they intend it to or not - that the organisation has outgrown its origin and is moving in a new direction. What is sad for Harry is that it has happened in an acrimonious way but that acrimony is not of his making as far as I can make out. I repeat: the acrimony is between the board and its Chair.

Also, those saying that the Board is made up of Harry’s mates. Again this is misleading. Boards are ever changing. All the trustees will be different to when the organisation was founded because they have to step down after a certain period (say 5 years). The Chair and other trustees seek out and appoint new Board members.

Edited

I disagree with your assessment of the PR aspects. Dr C's extraordinary swipe at Harry wasn't out of context. Her statement WAS the context.

"The press is doing that clever thing of subtly twisting the truth to place Harry at the centre of this battle which is between the Board and its Chair."

Harry placed himself at the "centre of this battle" by briefing Bryony Gordon's piece, which clearly has Harry's or his PR rep's fingerprints all over it.

PopeJoan2 · 28/03/2025 09:28

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 09:26

I disagree with your assessment of the PR aspects. Dr C's extraordinary swipe at Harry wasn't out of context. Her statement WAS the context.

"The press is doing that clever thing of subtly twisting the truth to place Harry at the centre of this battle which is between the Board and its Chair."

Harry placed himself at the "centre of this battle" by briefing Bryony Gordon's piece, which clearly has Harry's or his PR rep's fingerprints all over it.

I am talking about the legal dispute between Board and Chair.

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