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Conundrumseverywhere · 28/03/2025 06:21

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 28/03/2025 02:30

I think H will be left with a huge amount of regret when his father passes away. All those years with little to no contact. Depriving his dad of a relationship with his grandchildren. The way he treated the late Queen and his grandfather Prince Philp in their last years should be weighing heavy on him too. I think he has zero empathy.

He already lost one parent way too soon. Wouldn't you think he would be keeping his remaining parent close?!

I feel that Harry is in denial about a lot of things. I think in some way he is just burying his head in the sand and not thinking much about the real implications of what has happened over the last five years or so. If Charles dies I suspect it will hit him like a ton of bricks because it will be too late. I wonder too if subconsciously he’s been trying to punish his father through his behaviour. Once Charles is dead it’s game over for their relationship, and there will never be any way back with William. He’s burnt all his boats .

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 06:23

In that respect he carries on like a child, very much self absorbed and with no thought to the future. I don't even know how he fills his time.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 07:06

MrsLeonFarrell · 27/03/2025 17:15

It really is sad. But. Harry was in a position to know what the likely outcome was because he had the example of Uncle David. Royal status is a attached to the verb not the noun.

Thing is, I don't think Harry is wise or insightful enough to draw lessons from history. In 'Spare' he literally boasts of how little he cares about the history of his country or the monarchy. He does this in several places in the book - the most telling is an anecdote about his history teacher trying to get him interested in the Plantagenets or Tudors (can't recall which) and Harry arrogantly dismissing it all, saying he had no interest in his family history.

It's all bafflingly obtuse and arrogant, not least because, contrary to the smug Western assumption, history does not move in a linear fashion towards ever greater progress. It moves in cycles - our society advances and regresses (we're currently in a period of regression, in case anyone on this thread hadn't noticed!).

Harry's self proclaimed and proud refusal to listen either to the lessons of history, or the advice of his elders, is an Achilles heel which may prove his downfall.

MrsLeonFarrell · 28/03/2025 07:09

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 07:06

Thing is, I don't think Harry is wise or insightful enough to draw lessons from history. In 'Spare' he literally boasts of how little he cares about the history of his country or the monarchy. He does this in several places in the book - the most telling is an anecdote about his history teacher trying to get him interested in the Plantagenets or Tudors (can't recall which) and Harry arrogantly dismissing it all, saying he had no interest in his family history.

It's all bafflingly obtuse and arrogant, not least because, contrary to the smug Western assumption, history does not move in a linear fashion towards ever greater progress. It moves in cycles - our society advances and regresses (we're currently in a period of regression, in case anyone on this thread hadn't noticed!).

Harry's self proclaimed and proud refusal to listen either to the lessons of history, or the advice of his elders, is an Achilles heel which may prove his downfall.

Yes that is true.

MrsLeonFarrell · 28/03/2025 07:10

Whilst I feel somewhat sorry for Meghan, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Harry. How distent things would have been if he really was the family loving, cheeky chappie the palace sold us for so long.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 07:11

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 19:03

Bryony Gordon, making an absolute embarrassment of herself. Basically, Harry just really really cares.

‘It seems extraordinary, but in my experience this kind of in-fighting is all too common when it comes to the third sector. Voluntary work naturally attracts lots of empathetic people such as Prince Harry, but unfortunately, it also attracts those with far less honourable intentions.For every ten people who are drawn towards the third sector to give back, it seems there's at least one who's only there to take.’

She then goes on at length to talk Captain Toms daughter, Naomi Campbell, Kids company and all their dodgy charity dealings. Almost like she’s implying that DrC fits into this category…..it’s def not Harry she’s talking about.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14543857/BRYONY-GORDON-Harry-charity-boss-claims.html#

https://archive.ph/nIlOw

Bryony's not embarrassing herself, she's just doing what she's paid to do.

The Mail poached Bryony from the Tel specifically to provide Sussex-supportive commentary, to balance the columns of Sarah Vine and others who are critical of the Sussexes. The Mail did it because they wanted more editorial balance re the Sussexes and want to keep a 'line' open to Harry (who is a genuine friend of Bryony's) so they can get a scoop in case anything newsworthy transpires in the Sussex marriage about which Harry would one day like to be interviewed.

Lifestooshort71 · 28/03/2025 07:20

Slight derail, I was brought up in the 50's to address cards to 'Mr and Mrs John Smith', this became shortened to 'Mr and Mrs J Smith' and only recently (after a big nudge from my daughter) has it become 'John and Mary Smith'. Will it ever become 'Mary and John Smith? Unlikely in my case, some habits are too hard to break. As you were....

AtIusvue · 28/03/2025 07:22

You can support Harry without being a sycophant and implying Dr C is up to no good. To me, she’s embarrassed herself with that article.

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prelovedusername · 28/03/2025 07:31

‘It seems extraordinary, but in my experience this kind of in-fighting is all too common when it comes to the third sector. Voluntary work naturally attracts lots of empathetic people such as Prince Harry, but unfortunately, it also attracts those with far less honourable intentions.For every ten people who are drawn towards the third sector to give back, it seems there's at least one who's only there to take.’

That’s a very ungenerous view of people who populate the third sector. The Charity Commission, the government regulator, is at pains to stress that most charities are well run and when things go wrong it’s usually in good faith. Thousands of volunteers freely give their time to run and support charities, getting nothing back but the knowledge they’ve improved lives for others.

There will always be takers. Her friend Harry married one.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/03/2025 07:31

My2cents1975 · 28/03/2025 02:24

The song includes these lyrics:
"So we open up a quarrel
Between the present and the past
We only sacrifice the future
It's the bitterness that lasts"

H lost a parent unexpectedly, so I honestly am surprised, especially in light of KC3's cancer diagnosis, that H has not put more effort into trying to reconcile with his father. As much as the palace line is "Keep calm and carry on", an adverse reaction means they have to change the treatment protocol...which is never good news.

It is a very lonely conversation for an orphan to talk to a grave. I hope that somewhere in California there is someone who can sit H down and encourage him to make peace with "Pa", while "Pa" is still around.

Edited

See this is why I have a huge problem with the current vogue for 'No Contact'. It's a phrase from family psychology, and yes sometimes it's necessary to go NC with a family member, where that family member is/has been abusive, criminal or addicted to such an extent that the patient's wellbeing is threatened. But now I see people online cavalierly saying they're NC for such minor things as 'a toxic parent' or even a family member with different political views!

It's truly tragic. We're all human, we're all weak and prone to error. None of us can say hand on heart that we've brought up our children perfectly.We all inflict various hurts and pains on them inadvertently, as well as love.

I was low contact with my mother when she was alive because of physical and psychological abuse I suffered as a child. I had to do it because when I did see her, my heart would race and my hands would shake. But I still saw her, helped her out financially, etc. As I grew older and wiser I learned more about her mental illness, the struggles and abuse she suffered, and I was more forgiving. I was also more able to acknowledge the good times and all the support and love she gave to me in her own imperfect way.

NC is sometimes necessary but it should be avoided unless in the most extreme of circumstances. Like, if your dad is Fred West type of thing. Otherwise there has to be capacity for forgiveness in families, because NC is a multigenerational tragedy that brings with it very sharp and lifelong regret. I think that we Sussex observers don't fully always appreciate the cruelty of what H&M have done - in going NC they've not just hurt their respective families: they've hurt themselves and their children. It is intensely sad.

Xenia · 28/03/2025 08:00

BemusedAmerican, yes perfectly standard for a charity to register a trade mark over its name so nothing unusual there at all. In fact it would be negligent not to do so as if registered it is harder for people to use a similar name and divert funds away from the charity.

I have not read the High Court claim etc but emergency/interim injunctions can be obtained quickly - even over night (there is a rota of judges available every night for urgent things - i think Tony Blair got one during the night in one case). However you do need witness statements/evidence to show there is a reasonable case etc and then the case continues after much more time to its full hearing.

Ellmau · 28/03/2025 08:07

*I think H will be left with a huge amount of regret when his father passes away. All those years with little to no contact. Depriving his dad of a relationship with his grandchildren. The way he treated the late Queen and his grandfather Prince Philp in their last years should be weighing heavy on him too. I think he has zero empathy.

He already lost one parent way too soon. Wouldn't you think he would be keeping his remaining parent close?!*

My impression is there's still a lot of unresolved anger there directed at his father, because Harry identified so closely with his mother, and then her death effectively arrested his emotional development.

prelovedusername · 28/03/2025 08:10

I think that we Sussex observers don't fully always appreciate the cruelty of what H&M have done - in going NC they've not just hurt their respective families: they've hurt themselves and their children. It is intensely sad.

There’s another way of looking at this though. W and C may be glad that their children, who have been raised in a loving and stable family, are not having to deal with the dramas that will come with being raised in the Sussex household. The Waleses have many cousins around them, they don’t need any more.

It’s more of a problem for Harry and Markle’s DC, growing up their relationships will always be superficial and transitory because that’s all they know. H and M have possibly hurt their own children more than anyone else.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 08:12

I think you're right, @Ellmau . It's just so self absorbed and ridiculous. Lots of people have trauma. He's had the means and opportunity to get top class therapy, and work on dealing with his issues and moving on with life. He's not had to go to out to work, deal with childcare, go the supermarket etc while on a waiting list referred by his GP.
Time to move on.

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 08:15

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 28/03/2025 02:33

I do wonder too how Meghan will feel when Thomas passes away. Whatever he has or hasn't done, he's still her dad and he reared her for years and paid for her expensive education. I don't think he's done anything any worse than she has. I don't know why she is so cold towards her dad. Says a lot about her. Beware Harry.

I definitely think Thomas has done worse.

I think any father who appears on a tv documentary and says in so many words, that they have raised their daughter and it’s now time for monetary payback, is not worthy of the name father. Seriously, what loving father says that?

He totally embarrassed his daughter over the wedding with the set up photos too and in no way do I buy the innocent old confused man act either, a false image put forward by Piers Morgan in order to attack Meghan further. Thomas was a lighting engineer on film sets for many years. He knew what he was doing and he behaved despicably.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 08:17

Yes, I agree with you about Thomas Markle. It seems a shame, because for years her posts about him were so positive and appreciative about everything he'd done to support and help her.
It's a shame it went so badly wrong.

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 08:28

prelovedusername · 28/03/2025 08:10

I think that we Sussex observers don't fully always appreciate the cruelty of what H&M have done - in going NC they've not just hurt their respective families: they've hurt themselves and their children. It is intensely sad.

There’s another way of looking at this though. W and C may be glad that their children, who have been raised in a loving and stable family, are not having to deal with the dramas that will come with being raised in the Sussex household. The Waleses have many cousins around them, they don’t need any more.

It’s more of a problem for Harry and Markle’s DC, growing up their relationships will always be superficial and transitory because that’s all they know. H and M have possibly hurt their own children more than anyone else.

It depends doesn’t it? Even quite serious commentators have referred to the Royal Family as dysfunctional.

I certainly think being part of an institution where your father and sibling determine your rank, housing and wage, where family members have separate offices that brief against each other in order to win public favour, where you have to make an appointment to visit your parent, and where historically that parent has favoured his mistress ahead of you, and where any personal relationship is sacrificed on the altar of the survival of said institution, with all of its creaking anachronisms and ridiculous trappings, may be psychologically very stressful.

I think H and M are probably quite relieved that their dc are well out of it.

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 08:31

Relieved their children are well out of it?! Absolutely not! Why call them Prince and Princess?
The daughter is Princess Lilibet Diana. Why do that unless you are determined to remain royal, keep royal status and ensure your children are royal?

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 08:40

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 08:31

Relieved their children are well out of it?! Absolutely not! Why call them Prince and Princess?
The daughter is Princess Lilibet Diana. Why do that unless you are determined to remain royal, keep royal status and ensure your children are royal?

And were H and M not annoyed that A and L were not included in the Coronation plans ? Sure I read that .

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 08:41

My goodness. If anyone is clinging to royal status and privilege for themselves and their offspring it's Harry and Meghan 😂

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 08:44

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 28/03/2025 02:30

I think H will be left with a huge amount of regret when his father passes away. All those years with little to no contact. Depriving his dad of a relationship with his grandchildren. The way he treated the late Queen and his grandfather Prince Philp in their last years should be weighing heavy on him too. I think he has zero empathy.

He already lost one parent way too soon. Wouldn't you think he would be keeping his remaining parent close?!

It takes two to tango though doesn’t it?

Harry immediately flew over to see his father after the cancer diagnosis and by all accounts Charles only allowed Harry forty minutes for a meeting.

From what I have observed, The Royal Family is no different to other toxic institutions, in that you have to give up a lot of autonomy when you join it, so it is notoriously difficult for people marrying in, you have to follow the rules at cost to your own psychological wellbeing to remain a member, and you become persona non grata if you dare to reject its so-called values and escape. A bit like the Scientologists and the Amish! 😀 The emotional and financial rejection of those who step away serves to discourage others from doing so. And it enhances the sense of importance and “belonging” of those left behind,

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 08:49

You have no idea what happened at the meeting of Charles and Harry. Charles was ill. Harry had spent the previous few years monetising the privacy of his family, being highly critical, presenting himself as a victim and making many dubious claims. I find it extraordinary that anyone would roll out the red carpet for such a person.

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 08:58

Theeverdisappearingpen55 · 28/03/2025 08:44

It takes two to tango though doesn’t it?

Harry immediately flew over to see his father after the cancer diagnosis and by all accounts Charles only allowed Harry forty minutes for a meeting.

From what I have observed, The Royal Family is no different to other toxic institutions, in that you have to give up a lot of autonomy when you join it, so it is notoriously difficult for people marrying in, you have to follow the rules at cost to your own psychological wellbeing to remain a member, and you become persona non grata if you dare to reject its so-called values and escape. A bit like the Scientologists and the Amish! 😀 The emotional and financial rejection of those who step away serves to discourage others from doing so. And it enhances the sense of importance and “belonging” of those left behind,

Harry’s flight was delayed . The King had a helicopter arranged for a certain time . The King arranged for Harry to be whisked to CH on arrival but time was limited .
Was the King supposed to keep the helicopter crew, aides etc hanging around because Harry decided to make a fleeting visit ?

MayaKovskaya · 28/03/2025 09:00

Mylovelygreendress · 28/03/2025 08:58

Harry’s flight was delayed . The King had a helicopter arranged for a certain time . The King arranged for Harry to be whisked to CH on arrival but time was limited .
Was the King supposed to keep the helicopter crew, aides etc hanging around because Harry decided to make a fleeting visit ?

Also, for someone who would likely monetise what his father said on some ghastly chat show?

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