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PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 10:55

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:42

Omg

  • Harry should fund the case (he is not being sued)
  • the trustees stay on the board, so they don’t have someone who they believe is financially destroying charity have full control
  • on the result of the lawsuit, where they would be found to not have bullied etc they would then make an application to have the injunction overturned
  • they would then vote her off the board.

That’s what you do.

You dont scuttle off and abandon the charity.

  • The trustees have already left.
  • If the trustees had stayed on they would have been jointly responsible for the financial situation of the charity and company
  • Are you suggesting the ex-trustees sue for libel? Or to the current ones try to overturn the injunction? Overturning an injunction has nothing to do with a finding of bullying. Why would the new trustees who are presumably content with the chair take in such a court case?
  • who would vote her off the board? The new trustees?
JessicaBlabbit · 27/03/2025 10:56

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 10:34

If I were Harry, I wouldn't sue to wrest back control of the charity. As others have rightly pointed out, it would only further disrupt the charity.

But if I were Harry I absolutely WOULD be consulting libel lawyers and getting a few shots across the bow in the form of a cease & desist letter or two. Because Dr C has basically accused him of bullying, racism, misogyny, and then using the media to play victim and swing the story.

These allegations are very serious on a personal level because they go against everything the Sussexes stand for, which is progressivism, truth, service and love. They have both spoken out strongly about the bullying and racism they suffered.

Warriors for Truth is a key part of Harry and Meghan's brand. They cannot let this lie. It will damage all of their future endeavours, perhaps fatally.

We know that Harry and Meghan are highly principled individuals, because they keep telling us so.

So, I am sure we will be hearing their side very soon.

They have both spoken out strongly about the bullying and racism they suffered.

PH has not spoken out strongly about the racism he repeatedly inflicted on others when each incident went public - same with MM she has not come back to answer to the multiple testimonies by her staff of suffering directly or witnessing bullying.

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 10:59

Vespanest · 27/03/2025 10:44

Charities are perfect vessels for unwanted to criminal behaviour due to the reluctance of being a whistleblower given the detriment it has on its users. Harry avoiding being associated with a legal case is sound judgement as it's pretty much guaranteed that there will be misogyny, bullying and more as this unfortunately is common practice, even if they win the case dirt will fly. The scandals of some of the largest charities testify to how much a blind eye is given. Why he hasn't stood down at African Parks is a mystery. The foundation system acts as a barrier of deniability, he would be in a much better position to fundraise through Archewell and direct the money to his chosen charity.

This is what I don’t understand!
he’s stepping down here because???
but nothing happening about the scandals of African parks! Why is he not standing by his principles here?
i doesn’t make sense.

Vespanest · 27/03/2025 11:04

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 10:59

This is what I don’t understand!
he’s stepping down here because???
but nothing happening about the scandals of African parks! Why is he not standing by his principles here?
i doesn’t make sense.

My opinion, he thought she'd back down and he could then return.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 11:09

IAmATorturedPoet · 27/03/2025 10:44

Maybe Harry is picking up the phone to David Sherborne as I’m posting this now (David may of course have got in there first😉 ) and we will hear something imminently on that front.

LOL as I've said before, I've witnessed Schillings at work first hand when some years ago I was representing a client who was suing for libel.

Let's put it this way - when it comes to revenue streams, they ain't exactly backwards about coming forwards!

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 11:13

Vespanest · 27/03/2025 11:04

My opinion, he thought she'd back down and he could then return.

I’m with you!!!
the leaked unofficial statement?
a shot across the boughs , I think he’s so used to yes men , differential treatment and bullying his way , he expected her to shut up and the problem to go away!

but she wasn’t standing down and her statement is very obviously a clap back of her own , vague enough to avoid issues but pointed enough to get her challenge across!

also nobody has mentioned the article I linked above!
harry asked for and received covid relief payments for this charity!
payed for by the U.K. taxpayers !

the other article shows that questions about the whereabouts of funds are not new , it’s about time someone provided answers.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 11:15

TenInchNails · 27/03/2025 10:30

Not everyone is an expert on everything . Rather , in my case I am an expert in
practically nothing. 😂

I'm sure that's not true!

It's all worrying really. There's just been all the USAID cuts, and now this. I'm particularly worried about HIV. A quarter of adults are HIV positive. ARVs allow them to live normal lives and block maternal transmission.
Before the widespread rollouts, it was absolutely brutal.

Long term I'd much rather see Lesotho not have to be reliant on US taxpayers and international charity to meet their core health challenges, but for now obviously the priority is ensuing people's access to their life saving medication.

Yes and I thought it was a shame when Sentebale changed its remit from addressing HIV/AIDS and to a far broader remit involving 'wealth, health and climate resilience'.

That happened the year before Dr C became CEO, so perhaps her work since then has been focussed on commissioning research and advice to ascertain as to whether that really is a meaningful remit.

Thedom · 27/03/2025 11:25

When one of the ex Trustees has this to say about the two Princes, you do wonder what Dr. C may have been up against.

Dr Kelello Lerotholi, one of the charity trustees who has worked with the charity since it started in 2006 and quit at the same time as Harry has revealed he is "worried about the emotional wellbeing of both princes" amid the bitter row.

Serenster · 27/03/2025 11:25

BemusedAmerican · 27/03/2025 10:47

Some comments:

They held a fundraiser in Miami. This in in Florida, the state housing Mar-a-Lago, and a known red state. It's well-known in the US about Harry's visa issues and Trump's dislike of Meghan. Harry was also filming his polo documentary in Florida.

People in the US have also read about the African Parks issues and about Archewell. All three of Harry's charities have been in the news in the past year. I'm sure the attendees can google, especially since they were from Google.

I don't know who decided to hold the fundraiser in Miami, but they might have been better off doing it a different state.

I presume that’s a reference to the 2024 Sentabale “Royal Salute” Polo match held at the Santa Clara Polo club. That’s the same polo club where Harry’s Netflix series, Polo, was primarily filmed. A conflict of interest for Harry there?

https://sentebale.org/the-royal-salute-polo-challenge/

The Royal Salute Polo Challenge - Sentebale

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https://sentebale.org/the-royal-salute-polo-challenge/

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/03/2025 11:31

If the trustees had stayed on they would have been jointly responsible for the financial situation of the charity and company

Yes, and while we still lack enough details to reach a firm opinion that's something else I'm wondering about @PippistrelleBat

With all trustees (not just Sentabele/Harry) a lot can go under the radar as long as nobody raises the difficult questions, but a new Chair who's inclined to do so can make a hell of a difference

Same with African Parks ... they too had a new Chair at the start of 2023, but beyond a vow "to investigate" and the organisation of a couple of bodies to do it I'm not aware of any results

Thedom · 27/03/2025 11:32

@jeffgoldblum

harry asked for and received covid relief payments for this charity!
payed for by the U.K. taxpayers !

Would you mind relinking to that article, I missed it and have gone back a few pages but can't find that particular post of yours.

Thank you.

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 11:34

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.03.27-070919/www.thetimes.com/article/b51d7b41-d5d7-498e-a9a4-1fa82f445da5?shareToken=b76e87290302431a7622fdea62fb8cfb" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.03.27-070919/www.thetimes.com/article/b51d7b41-d5d7-498e-a9a4-1fa82f445da5?shareToken=b76e87290302431a7622fdea62fb8cfb

article from the times , worried about Harry’s wellbeing and key players already “ blaming the black woman” , so it begins.
maybe this is what she meant about using the press to harm others?

Thedom · 27/03/2025 11:34

a little snippet from a Sun article which could also throw a bit more light on things.

Dr Lerotholi is a cousin of Seeiso and regards Harry as 'family'

Thedom · 27/03/2025 11:36

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 11:34

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.03.27-070919/www.thetimes.com/article/b51d7b41-d5d7-498e-a9a4-1fa82f445da5?shareToken=b76e87290302431a7622fdea62fb8cfb" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.03.27-070919/www.thetimes.com/article/b51d7b41-d5d7-498e-a9a4-1fa82f445da5?shareToken=b76e87290302431a7622fdea62fb8cfb

article from the times , worried about Harry’s wellbeing and key players already “ blaming the black woman” , so it begins.
maybe this is what she meant about using the press to harm others?

Thanks Jeff, can't read it though it's behind a paywall.

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 11:40

Thedom · 27/03/2025 11:32

@jeffgoldblum

harry asked for and received covid relief payments for this charity!
payed for by the U.K. taxpayers !

Would you mind relinking to that article, I missed it and have gone back a few pages but can't find that particular post of yours.

Thank you.

I’m sorry @Thedom, I don’t keep links as I’m using my phone!
and normally I would just scroll back to my post , but I’m on the app and we all know what’s happened to that!! It keeps jumping back to the end again!🙄
hopefully some helpful poster can search my posts and quote it for you?
I believe it was the first one ( I posted one after another) 😀

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/03/2025 11:41

I thought it was a shame when Sentebale changed its remit from addressing HIV/AIDS and to a far broader remit involving 'wealth, health and climate resilience'

I wonder if that was done on the basis of funding opportunities, @GiveMeSpanakopita?
Many of us will be aware of the tickbox nature of requests, and as concerns move on to ever-newer areas maybe it was thought HIV/AIDS would no longer be enough to get the $$$$ rolling in?

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 11:43

Thedom · 27/03/2025 11:36

Thanks Jeff, can't read it though it's behind a paywall.

Make sure you click the link that says archive at the top not the one that just says the times , should work 😀

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 11:43

This whole case does raise some interesting questions around the vexed issue of so-called 'white saviourism'. It's a concept which has come in for huge criticism from critical race theorists of the type that featured in the Netflix documentary 'Harry & Meghan', which had talking heads speaking against the RF and the 2022 Commonwealth tour as white saviourism.

As far as I understand it, critical race theory advocates that things should be done locally: 'Never about us without us' is the saying that is often used. So it looks like Dr C adhered to this view and took immediate steps to strip the white saviorism away from the charity and bring it back to in Africa, about Africa, by Africans.

She did that and funding allegedly fell off a cliff as a result. So in such a case what is ethically better - to make it local and lose money to help the beneficiaries, or to keep the white saviours and get more money to help the people in need?

It's a bit like BLM's 'Defund the Police' campaign - police forces throughout the States were defunded but the result was a horrific increase in inner city crime, disproportionately affecting Black folks (the police forces in question are being rapidly refunded, but for many victims it is too late).

What's better and more ethical - the progressive theory, or the practicalities?

I honestly don't know what the answer is. But I do know that it must be devastating for the Sussexes to be so publicly hoist on their own petard in the form of being accused of the very racist attitudes which they were quick to call out in their own family.

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 11:44

Thedom · 27/03/2025 11:36

Thanks Jeff, can't read it though it's behind a paywall.

Although it’s just an overlong flowery version of the quotes you’ve posted! 🤣

Rhaidimiddim · 27/03/2025 11:45

PopeJoan2 · 27/03/2025 06:35

Remember Harry started this charity when very young and long before he married Markle so the grifter narrative you suggest may not apply here.

But the grift was already in place by 2008.

Words · 27/03/2025 11:46

@GiveMeSpanakopita Also delighted to see you back.

It makes absolute sense that the chairwoman's statement- which I read with mounting incredulity- must have been lawyered to death , hopefully not just by her own legal mind.

Otherwise it falls more into the incredibly unwise box (inviting potential legal action being the worst of many things) rather than the brave African woman speaking her truth against the Privileged white men and damn the consequences box. Many rather naive commentators have gone down this route, but it makes no sense to me and, ironically, whiffs of condescension.

Perhaps it will turn out to be a mix of some of both those things. But we can't know at the moment so I am not judging. I have my hunches however. I assume she has good civil legal representation, being a lawyer herself. She will need it if Dumbo takes action.

I also agree with you re the DM these days. On the occasions I have had to get them to alter or retract a story for legal reasons, they are on it faster than the fastest thing.

AnnaMagnani · 27/03/2025 11:52

My knowledge of Lesotho Healthcare is old but a Google suggests not a lot has changed.

In remote areas, which is most of the country, a lot of health care is provided by missionaries. I had to get to the village by plane, also run by missionaries.

We did vaccinations by going out to villages by pony.

Our doctor could do some surgery but anaesthetic was ketamine only.

Anything more complex, all we could do was tell them to walk (many days walk) to Maseru or RSA. I diagnosed a child with a highly treatable cancer- all we could do was stress to the parents that they needed to take her to RSA immediately.

I met some very impressive Basotho nurses. But the number of people who once trained want to stay in a village on the edge of nowhere is small, hence depending on missionaries.

Being Basotho is also incredibly important. There is huge respect for other Basotho - I had to make sure I went with a Basotho to get my visa renewed or it wouldn't be done. Dr C is a black African woman but I suspect this would not give her the same status as a Basotho woman.

In fact the main thing that gave you status as a woman was having given birth to a son. It forms part of your name as an adult woman. We had nurses who were single parents by choice as having had a son was so important but no way did they want relationships with the father.

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 11:55

harry asked for and received covid relief payments for this charity!

Harry did? Or Sentebale trustees did? Sentebale trustees are required to act in the best interest of the charity so would be negligent not to have applied for covid relief payments.

TenInchNails · 27/03/2025 11:57

@AnnaMagnani that's fascinating! Can I ask when you were working there? I've heard people talk about flying to the more rural regions.

No more flights now but they have tarred the roads to Semonkong, Mokhotlong etc and right round the back so there are taxi routes now so people can get to and from Maseru but of course it's still not quick.

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 12:00

She did that and funding allegedly fell off a cliff as a result. So in such a case what is ethically better - to make it local and lose money to help the beneficiaries, or to keep the white saviours and get more money to help the people in need?

I see this in a different context with disability charities - so much of the funds raised actually come from the beneficiaries of the charities. I question the ethics of a charity relying on its beneficiaries to raise money rather than looking outside that group.

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