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AnnaMagnani · 27/03/2025 12:04

Hi @TenInchNails I was in Tebellong in about 1998.

Flew in and out with Mission Aviation Fellowship- the plane I flew on crashed a few weeks later killing all on board.

Healthcare was not free. Some women had roles as village health advisors and got free health care. They were the only people having treatment for long term conditions like hypertension, presumably as no one else could afford it.

To get to Qacha's Nek you had to go by pony across the river to get the bus. Everything was basically pony which I think was the reason I had wanted to go in the first place.

I still have my Basotho hats on the wall.

TenInchNails · 27/03/2025 12:10

@AnnaMagnani you were extremely remote!
I didn't realise the flights were ongoing then but the crash rings a bell, I'm so sorry, you must have lost colleagues.

My family were in Mafeteng so very much not the same logistics challenges as you.

I'm currently sitting with a Basotho blanket on my knee (the red one with spitfires) as I'm cold and a long way from home now.

Just occurred to me you'd have been there during the huge unrest, although at least being so remote you'd hopefully have been unaffected?

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 12:11

Words · 27/03/2025 11:46

@GiveMeSpanakopita Also delighted to see you back.

It makes absolute sense that the chairwoman's statement- which I read with mounting incredulity- must have been lawyered to death , hopefully not just by her own legal mind.

Otherwise it falls more into the incredibly unwise box (inviting potential legal action being the worst of many things) rather than the brave African woman speaking her truth against the Privileged white men and damn the consequences box. Many rather naive commentators have gone down this route, but it makes no sense to me and, ironically, whiffs of condescension.

Perhaps it will turn out to be a mix of some of both those things. But we can't know at the moment so I am not judging. I have my hunches however. I assume she has good civil legal representation, being a lawyer herself. She will need it if Dumbo takes action.

I also agree with you re the DM these days. On the occasions I have had to get them to alter or retract a story for legal reasons, they are on it faster than the fastest thing.

which I read with mounting incredulity

Yes - I think it's impossible to explain to anybody not involved in media law and media relations just how extraordinarily unprecedented her statement was.

There MUST be some sort of evidence base otherwise no way would ANY sane (or even insane like Mark Stephens) media lawyer let her say it.

I too have a hunch as to the sort of behaviour which might be behind her allegations. I am sure we shall soon see.

BemusedAmerican · 27/03/2025 12:15

I'm not a wealthy charity donor but if I was sent to Miami and saw the fund-raising polo match being filmed by Netflix, I would be a little disconcerted. Then when I researched and discovered the issues involving Invictus, African Parks, and Archewell, I would be even more disconcerted. Plus most people aren't polo fans and the treatment of the horses would be a revelation.

If I visited Lesotho and found out that one of the sponsors hadn't visited in 6 years and that his last donation was 2021 (correct me if I'm wrong) I would wonder a bit more.

I'd like to know who decided to hold the fundraiser in Miami.

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 12:23

Found it @Thedom!

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 12:24

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 12:23

Found it @Thedom!

So not Harry then.

BemusedAmerican · 27/03/2025 12:30

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 12:23

Found it @Thedom!

That was an interesting article. The comments almost could have been written today.

Xenia · 27/03/2025 12:32

There is a vast amount of money in Miami. It would always be a wise place to raise funds. People may not like charity events where rich people go but they do raise loads of money for charities abroad. I hate that kind of thing and indeed am in favour of lower taxes and no tax breaks for charities, but I can see why fund raising in Miami could be a very good decision and the same with polo events. I went with a client who kindly invited me to polo for a charitable thing with the Queen there (and indeed one of my children, some of whom ride- we used to have some horses - did a little bit of polo at university) and I am sure although everyone there was having a nice time what was given to the charity concerned was a very large sum.

ColourlessGreenIdeasSleepFuriously · 27/03/2025 12:35

If you only support a charity as long as you can have fun with your horsies doing it, I question your commitment to the cause

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 12:38

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 12:24

So not Harry then.

What exactly is your point?
you think Harry doesn’t know what his charity is up to in regards to finances?

you think it’s exceptable that during the worst time of most peoples lives , where they lost jobs , income and were stuck at home , many unable to feed themselves and losing their loved ones , that it’s perfectly fine for a charity that normally fund raises their money from wealthy individuals voluntarily, should be allowed to take taxpayers money without any say!

those furlough funds were to help keep U.K. taxpayers and companies afloat .
and before you say it , yes I’m aware others also claimed fraudulently but this is shocking and why are we only finding out about it now.

Xenia · 27/03/2025 12:42

ColourlessGreenIdeasSleepFuriously · 27/03/2025 12:35

If you only support a charity as long as you can have fun with your horsies doing it, I question your commitment to the cause

I agree. It is one reason I want done with the whole thing - no tax relief on any charitable contributions at all full stop. George O when Chancellor tried to do that but had to give way as there were so many people against it. It would also solve issues around the world like cults who get massive tax breaks. The tax tail wags the dog. If instead people gave with no tax break at all then perhaps we could lower everyone's taxes and then they could choose to give to charity if they wanted but with no tax relief.

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 12:43

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 12:38

What exactly is your point?
you think Harry doesn’t know what his charity is up to in regards to finances?

you think it’s exceptable that during the worst time of most peoples lives , where they lost jobs , income and were stuck at home , many unable to feed themselves and losing their loved ones , that it’s perfectly fine for a charity that normally fund raises their money from wealthy individuals voluntarily, should be allowed to take taxpayers money without any say!

those furlough funds were to help keep U.K. taxpayers and companies afloat .
and before you say it , yes I’m aware others also claimed fraudulently but this is shocking and why are we only finding out about it now.

Not sure why Harry would have been involved. He was a patron not a trustee. The charity’s trustees would have been failing in their obligations to the charity if they had not applied.

Mightymoog · 27/03/2025 12:43

AnnaMagnani · 27/03/2025 11:52

My knowledge of Lesotho Healthcare is old but a Google suggests not a lot has changed.

In remote areas, which is most of the country, a lot of health care is provided by missionaries. I had to get to the village by plane, also run by missionaries.

We did vaccinations by going out to villages by pony.

Our doctor could do some surgery but anaesthetic was ketamine only.

Anything more complex, all we could do was tell them to walk (many days walk) to Maseru or RSA. I diagnosed a child with a highly treatable cancer- all we could do was stress to the parents that they needed to take her to RSA immediately.

I met some very impressive Basotho nurses. But the number of people who once trained want to stay in a village on the edge of nowhere is small, hence depending on missionaries.

Being Basotho is also incredibly important. There is huge respect for other Basotho - I had to make sure I went with a Basotho to get my visa renewed or it wouldn't be done. Dr C is a black African woman but I suspect this would not give her the same status as a Basotho woman.

In fact the main thing that gave you status as a woman was having given birth to a son. It forms part of your name as an adult woman. We had nurses who were single parents by choice as having had a son was so important but no way did they want relationships with the father.

thank you, very interesting

prelovedusername · 27/03/2025 12:47

For some reason I saw Chair and thought CEO, hence posting about the trustees being able to dismiss her according to her terms of employment. Dr C being the Chair makes it all the more baffling because that (unpaid) position is usually appointed by the other trustees from amongst themselves.

If the patrons resign it’s neither here nor there. Board members can’t just up sticks though. What a mess.

BemusedAmerican · 27/03/2025 12:47

@Xenia, I know that there is a lot of money in Florida. But I personally would hesitate to give it to a charity sponsored by someone associated with other, drama-laden charities. And runs a foundation that is not capable of correctly filing basic forms. I'm a humble American, yet I make sure my taxes are filed on time and are accurate, and I don't have an accountant.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/03/2025 12:48

I too have a hunch as to the sort of behaviour which might be behind her allegations. I am sure we shall soon see

Well, we will if Ms Chandauka means it about disclosing the details behind her allegations, and I'd be surprised if Harry's feeling especially comfortable right now - especially with what some will make of it if he's perceived to behave unfavourably towards a black woman

A difficult situation all round, but then situations which involve Harry often are

Xenia · 27/03/2025 12:48

Good point. The Prince seems never to have been a trustee (nor director), just a patron.

My2cents1975 · 27/03/2025 12:51

Since H “found freedom” from Palace strictures and the dreaded men in grey the following has occurred:

Invictus: According to a whistleblower, CEO Peter Lewis and Chief Commercial Officer Bill Cooper were terminated without any apparent cause. The Canada events had budget overruns, due to high cost of H&M’s lodging and security, despite $30M being shelled out by Canadian taxpayers. Prior to Canada, there were allegations that Invictus Germany split off in reaction to excessive spending by H&M. H has remained silent on this issue.

African Parks: This charity has been accused of human rights abuses and forced evictions of local communities in various African countries and allegations of guards employed by African Parks abusing the Baka people in Congo. H ensured that the African Parks event during UN week 2024 was closed to reporters and the public and he remained silent on this issue.

Sentebale: H used People magazine and a leak to the Sun (déjà vu of 5 friends leak) to spin the issues at Sentebale. Dr. Chandauka countered with a detailed statement and filed a lawsuit dated March 5, 2025 suing the Trustees citing improper governance among other things. H&M’s Sussex Squad proxies have viciously attacked Dr. Chandauka on social media with vile posts including some racist posts. H, as ever, has remained silent on this issue.

To quote Agent Gibbs from NCIS “There is no such thing as coincidences”

ColourlessGreenIdeasSleepFuriously · 27/03/2025 12:51

perhaps we could lower everyone's taxes and then they could choose to give to charity if they wanted but with no tax relief.

Orrrrr, raise taxation and redistribute income fairly in the first place so that that poor people aren't dependent on the whim of rich people in other countries to not die of easily preventable diseases

BemusedAmerican · 27/03/2025 12:54

@My2cents1975 That is a succinct, illuminating, and accurate summary!

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 13:01

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 12:11

which I read with mounting incredulity

Yes - I think it's impossible to explain to anybody not involved in media law and media relations just how extraordinarily unprecedented her statement was.

There MUST be some sort of evidence base otherwise no way would ANY sane (or even insane like Mark Stephens) media lawyer let her say it.

I too have a hunch as to the sort of behaviour which might be behind her allegations. I am sure we shall soon see.

She must also have had evidence of something (governance issue, CC referral, bullying, whatever) to be given a temp injunction on the vote to remove her from the board.

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BemusedAmerican · 27/03/2025 13:02

Times article with interview with cousin. Forgive if a repost:

https://archive.ph/RDS3Z/share

I'm confused by the article. I thought it was clear that the 2024 match was for Sentebale. Did I miss something?

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 13:06

BemusedAmerican · 27/03/2025 13:02

Times article with interview with cousin. Forgive if a repost:

https://archive.ph/RDS3Z/share

I'm confused by the article. I thought it was clear that the 2024 match was for Sentebale. Did I miss something?

So it looks like it was a polo match with funds going towards Sentebale…..but it wasnt the Sentebale Cup.

Why? Who knows, that seems to be what they were arguing about.

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Munnygirl · 27/03/2025 13:15

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 12:11

which I read with mounting incredulity

Yes - I think it's impossible to explain to anybody not involved in media law and media relations just how extraordinarily unprecedented her statement was.

There MUST be some sort of evidence base otherwise no way would ANY sane (or even insane like Mark Stephens) media lawyer let her say it.

I too have a hunch as to the sort of behaviour which might be behind her allegations. I am sure we shall soon see.

Please please share your hunch I am desperate to know what you think

Serenster · 27/03/2025 13:23

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 13:06

So it looks like it was a polo match with funds going towards Sentebale…..but it wasnt the Sentebale Cup.

Why? Who knows, that seems to be what they were arguing about.

I think the issue was that the new sponsor, Royal Salute Whisky, wanted to have naming rights over the tournament - presumably previous sponsors were happy to provide the funding, but didn’t demand the naming rights in return. So in previous competitions players competed for the Sentabale Cup, but in 2024 it was the Royal Salute Cup.

Naming rights can be hot topics in sponsorship contracts!

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