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BasiliskStare · 27/03/2025 10:14

@TenInchNails I think at their best these theads are interesting because people have areas/subjects they know about contributing. So , to me it is v interesting to hear your experience and views.

Not everyone is an expert on everything . Rather , in my case I am an expert in
practically nothing. 😂

Good thread IMHO @Atlasvue - Thank you

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/03/2025 10:15

Whether she has a case or not imo the Board of Trustees were right to resign in order to avoid costly law suits - which, I am guessing would have to be paid for by the Charity. An absolute waste of money given the Charity's aims

I completely accept this, @ZebedeeDougalFlorence, but rather wonder if Harry at least would care about the costs just as long as someone else was paying them

He certainly hasn't seemed too worried about such issues in other areas, and while his princely attentions may have provided a certain glitter to Sentabele the choice of massively expensive polo to hang this on perhaps suggests that nothing's changed

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:18

Irony of Harry’s situation:

‘But even more extraordinary than the disarray over his actions – and the shedding of what was among the very last vestiges of his former royal life – was the eruption of an unsavoury war of words which may expose a deeper hypocrisy that the virtue-signalling Harry will find even more unpalatable.
In her excoriating statement, the charity's board chairman, Zimbabwe-born lawyer Dr Sophie Chandauka, whom the trustees wanted to stand down, did not mince her words.
She blasted 'weak executive management, abuse of power, bullying, harassment, misogyny and misogynoir'. This last assertion, discrimination against black women, the most damaging of all.
For a prince who with his wife triggered a crisis in the House of Windsor, overshadowing the last days of both Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth with their claims of 'bullying behaviour' behind palace walls and of the existence of a 'royal racist' speculating about the colour of the skin of their then unborn first child, Archie, her remarks are a terrible irony.
For Harry, who has spoken of his 'awakening' to race issues and his appreciation of unconscious racial bias that he has learned through his wife, such criticism is nothing short of catastrophic.
And in the absence of a smoking gun about what may be behind this extraordinary state of affairs at the charity, the accusations – along with Dr Chandauka's claim that the prince was 'playing the victim card' by quitting as patron – is as bad as it gets. Even in faraway Montecito the impact of her mockery will be impossible to escape. In one devastating passage she took a swipe – without naming names – at those 'in this world who behave as though they are above the law and mistreat people'.
Who but Harry could she have had in mind as she said of such people that they 'play the victim card and use the very Press they disdain to harm people who have the courage to challenge their conduct?'
How richly piquant that 'playing the victim card', all too familiar to anyone who has read Spare or watched the Netflix Harry & Meghan series, should now be applied to the prince.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14540665/RICHARD-KAY-Harry-whos-spoken-awakening-race-issues-falling-Meghan-allegations-boss-beloved-African-charity-catastrophic.html

Why this charity row is nothing short of catastrophic for Harry

Long ago, before even Meghan Markle was a glint in his eye, the centre of Prince Harry's universe revolved around a charity he named Sentebale.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14540665/RICHARD-KAY-Harry-whos-spoken-awakening-race-issues-falling-Meghan-allegations-boss-beloved-African-charity-catastrophic.html

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AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:20

Harry gave the charity £1.2 million from the profits of spare.

He funds the charity as he wants. He could have funded the lawsuit if he wanted. But he chose not to.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/03/2025 10:21

For Dr C's legal counsel to get comfortable with her issuing that extraordinary statement, they must be comfortable that there is documented evidence to support her claims. So I'm confident that that evidence exists, and based on Dr C's PR rep's follow up comment, I'm pretty confident they're going to publish some of the evidence

Though I lack your breadth of experience the same had occurred to me, @GiveMeSpanakopita - and here's another who's glad to see you back Smile

Certainly it won't do much for Harry's victim mentality, but as you rightly say it'll be interesting to see this play out

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2025 10:23

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:18

Irony of Harry’s situation:

‘But even more extraordinary than the disarray over his actions – and the shedding of what was among the very last vestiges of his former royal life – was the eruption of an unsavoury war of words which may expose a deeper hypocrisy that the virtue-signalling Harry will find even more unpalatable.
In her excoriating statement, the charity's board chairman, Zimbabwe-born lawyer Dr Sophie Chandauka, whom the trustees wanted to stand down, did not mince her words.
She blasted 'weak executive management, abuse of power, bullying, harassment, misogyny and misogynoir'. This last assertion, discrimination against black women, the most damaging of all.
For a prince who with his wife triggered a crisis in the House of Windsor, overshadowing the last days of both Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth with their claims of 'bullying behaviour' behind palace walls and of the existence of a 'royal racist' speculating about the colour of the skin of their then unborn first child, Archie, her remarks are a terrible irony.
For Harry, who has spoken of his 'awakening' to race issues and his appreciation of unconscious racial bias that he has learned through his wife, such criticism is nothing short of catastrophic.
And in the absence of a smoking gun about what may be behind this extraordinary state of affairs at the charity, the accusations – along with Dr Chandauka's claim that the prince was 'playing the victim card' by quitting as patron – is as bad as it gets. Even in faraway Montecito the impact of her mockery will be impossible to escape. In one devastating passage she took a swipe – without naming names – at those 'in this world who behave as though they are above the law and mistreat people'.
Who but Harry could she have had in mind as she said of such people that they 'play the victim card and use the very Press they disdain to harm people who have the courage to challenge their conduct?'
How richly piquant that 'playing the victim card', all too familiar to anyone who has read Spare or watched the Netflix Harry & Meghan series, should now be applied to the prince.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14540665/RICHARD-KAY-Harry-whos-spoken-awakening-race-issues-falling-Meghan-allegations-boss-beloved-African-charity-catastrophic.html

Indeed @AtIusvue, but people won’t pay attention because it’s from the dm !
so obviously not to be trusted, easily brushed aside.

LaPalmaLlama · 27/03/2025 10:24

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:20

Harry gave the charity £1.2 million from the profits of spare.

He funds the charity as he wants. He could have funded the lawsuit if he wanted. But he chose not to.

Edited

Yes but honestly, speaking as a trustee, if I was getting sued, I would resign too. Even if someone else was going to pay, the process would be too stressful for a part time position that I'm not getting paid to do.

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 10:28

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:20

Harry gave the charity £1.2 million from the profits of spare.

He funds the charity as he wants. He could have funded the lawsuit if he wanted. But he chose not to.

Edited

If I was in his shoes I would not want to fund a lawsuit either. What would be the outcome? He doesn’t have control now and wouldn’t if he were successful. The other trustees are unlikely to want to hang around to pursue the case through the courts and as Harry himself doesn’t have standing he would be funding a court case he had no control over with a blank cheque.

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:29

LaPalmaLlama · 27/03/2025 10:24

Yes but honestly, speaking as a trustee, if I was getting sued, I would resign too. Even if someone else was going to pay, the process would be too stressful for a part time position that I'm not getting paid to do.

So you’d be happy to leave the charity in the hands of someone you believe has put the charity in financial peril and is destroying it?

It doesn’t make sense

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TenInchNails · 27/03/2025 10:30

Not everyone is an expert on everything . Rather , in my case I am an expert in
practically nothing. 😂

I'm sure that's not true!

It's all worrying really. There's just been all the USAID cuts, and now this. I'm particularly worried about HIV. A quarter of adults are HIV positive. ARVs allow them to live normal lives and block maternal transmission.
Before the widespread rollouts, it was absolutely brutal.

Long term I'd much rather see Lesotho not have to be reliant on US taxpayers and international charity to meet their core health challenges, but for now obviously the priority is ensuing people's access to their life saving medication.

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:31

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 10:28

If I was in his shoes I would not want to fund a lawsuit either. What would be the outcome? He doesn’t have control now and wouldn’t if he were successful. The other trustees are unlikely to want to hang around to pursue the case through the courts and as Harry himself doesn’t have standing he would be funding a court case he had no control over with a blank cheque.

That they win the case and there’s no finding of wrongdoing.

She has a temporary injunction to stop her being voted off. They then can move to overturn the injunction, get her removed from the board.

But they are doing nothing!

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JandamiHash · 27/03/2025 10:31

Thedom · 27/03/2025 06:26

People magazine have an 'inside' scoop on what went on behind the scenes, (wonder who dropped those tips to People), basically financial mismanagement since Dr. Chandauka became chair, (600k spent on consultants), leaving the charity in a precarious situation.

https://archive.ph/ies7s

When reached for comment, a representative for Chandauka tells PEOPLE:

"First and foremost, like much of the content circulated yesterday, a lot of information being shared is untrue and defamatory in nature. When we are ready as an organization, we will share more detail regarding the events leading up to this point. Moreover, the Board acts collectively on major decisions, and it would be inappropriate to assume decisions were made by any one person. As previously said, legal action was taken because of the cover-up of issues relating to abuse of power, misconduct, mismanagement, bullying, harassment, misogyny and misogynoir amongst other concerns."

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Ag People magazine the definitely impartial source 😂 it’s quite normal for charities to hire consultants, I’ve worked for a charity and people would be surprised at the hefty amounts spent on expensive things!

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 10:32

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:29

So you’d be happy to leave the charity in the hands of someone you believe has put the charity in financial peril and is destroying it?

It doesn’t make sense

If you cannot walk away then you are too invested. If I was still concerned with the work I created the charity for and had money to spare I would look to fund something either directly or though another charity.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 10:34

If I were Harry, I wouldn't sue to wrest back control of the charity. As others have rightly pointed out, it would only further disrupt the charity.

But if I were Harry I absolutely WOULD be consulting libel lawyers and getting a few shots across the bow in the form of a cease & desist letter or two. Because Dr C has basically accused him of bullying, racism, misogyny, and then using the media to play victim and swing the story.

These allegations are very serious on a personal level because they go against everything the Sussexes stand for, which is progressivism, truth, service and love. They have both spoken out strongly about the bullying and racism they suffered.

Warriors for Truth is a key part of Harry and Meghan's brand. They cannot let this lie. It will damage all of their future endeavours, perhaps fatally.

We know that Harry and Meghan are highly principled individuals, because they keep telling us so.

So, I am sure we will be hearing their side very soon.

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 10:37

That they win the case and there’s no finding of wrongdoing.

If they win then they can remove her. If has nothing to do with finding ‘wrongdoing’ beyond whether or not they can remove her. The trustees have resigned so who would Harry be funding to bring the case? Trustees who are content she stays?

AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:38

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 10:32

If you cannot walk away then you are too invested. If I was still concerned with the work I created the charity for and had money to spare I would look to fund something either directly or though another charity.

Right…..

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AtIusvue · 27/03/2025 10:42

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 10:37

That they win the case and there’s no finding of wrongdoing.

If they win then they can remove her. If has nothing to do with finding ‘wrongdoing’ beyond whether or not they can remove her. The trustees have resigned so who would Harry be funding to bring the case? Trustees who are content she stays?

Omg

  • Harry should fund the case (he is not being sued)
  • the trustees stay on the board, so they don’t have someone who they believe is financially destroying charity have full control
  • on the result of the lawsuit, where they would be found to not have bullied etc they would then make an application to have the injunction overturned
  • they would then vote her off the board.

That’s what you do.

You dont scuttle off and abandon the charity.

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Mightymoog · 27/03/2025 10:43

TenInchNails · 27/03/2025 10:30

Not everyone is an expert on everything . Rather , in my case I am an expert in
practically nothing. 😂

I'm sure that's not true!

It's all worrying really. There's just been all the USAID cuts, and now this. I'm particularly worried about HIV. A quarter of adults are HIV positive. ARVs allow them to live normal lives and block maternal transmission.
Before the widespread rollouts, it was absolutely brutal.

Long term I'd much rather see Lesotho not have to be reliant on US taxpayers and international charity to meet their core health challenges, but for now obviously the priority is ensuing people's access to their life saving medication.

How's health care in general?
Is there free medical care ?
Just curious as my knowledge of the country is about zero!

Vespanest · 27/03/2025 10:44

Charities are perfect vessels for unwanted to criminal behaviour due to the reluctance of being a whistleblower given the detriment it has on its users. Harry avoiding being associated with a legal case is sound judgement as it's pretty much guaranteed that there will be misogyny, bullying and more as this unfortunately is common practice, even if they win the case dirt will fly. The scandals of some of the largest charities testify to how much a blind eye is given. Why he hasn't stood down at African Parks is a mystery. The foundation system acts as a barrier of deniability, he would be in a much better position to fundraise through Archewell and direct the money to his chosen charity.

IAmATorturedPoet · 27/03/2025 10:44

GiveMeSpanakopita · 27/03/2025 10:34

If I were Harry, I wouldn't sue to wrest back control of the charity. As others have rightly pointed out, it would only further disrupt the charity.

But if I were Harry I absolutely WOULD be consulting libel lawyers and getting a few shots across the bow in the form of a cease & desist letter or two. Because Dr C has basically accused him of bullying, racism, misogyny, and then using the media to play victim and swing the story.

These allegations are very serious on a personal level because they go against everything the Sussexes stand for, which is progressivism, truth, service and love. They have both spoken out strongly about the bullying and racism they suffered.

Warriors for Truth is a key part of Harry and Meghan's brand. They cannot let this lie. It will damage all of their future endeavours, perhaps fatally.

We know that Harry and Meghan are highly principled individuals, because they keep telling us so.

So, I am sure we will be hearing their side very soon.

Maybe Harry is picking up the phone to David Sherborne as I’m posting this now (David may of course have got in there first😉 ) and we will hear something imminently on that front.

JandamiHash · 27/03/2025 10:46

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 07:56

And yet it was Harry and Seesio who were forced out of a charity that meant a great deal to them (even if they only made a token effort at involvement).

We don’t know enough to declare fault. Even the high court injunction would just have been about the legality of pushing her out, not a comment on the management, as that is how the law works. So we can be clear there was a boardroom bust up, but not where to apportion fault.

Edited

I would normally agree with this but given Harry’s propensity to cause trouble, bully, behave selfishly and aggressively, play the victim and have a total lack of self awareness, until we know more I’m inclined to believe Dr C’s account.

BemusedAmerican · 27/03/2025 10:47

Some comments:

They held a fundraiser in Miami. This in in Florida, the state housing Mar-a-Lago, and a known red state. It's well-known in the US about Harry's visa issues and Trump's dislike of Meghan. Harry was also filming his polo documentary in Florida.

People in the US have also read about the African Parks issues and about Archewell. All three of Harry's charities have been in the news in the past year. I'm sure the attendees can google, especially since they were from Google.

I don't know who decided to hold the fundraiser in Miami, but they might have been better off doing it a different state.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/03/2025 10:48

You dont scuttle off and abandon the charity

I suppose he could always start another one @AtIusvue - after all his wife's supposed to be partly Nigerian and they even gave him a picture of his mum, so maybe there are opportunities there too? Confused

PippistrelleBat · 27/03/2025 10:49

I am surprised no one has bought up the offensive association of ‘board’ given its origins as the table of a lord who oppressed people through serfdom, and who sat in a chair to exert him power whilst others sat on benches . We should definitely stop using ‘board’ and its associated words and phrases: ‘cupboard’, ‘sideboard’, ‘board and lodgings’, ‘treading the boards’, ‘board games’, ‘board room’, ‘above board’. ‘Chairman of the board’.

TenInchNails · 27/03/2025 10:54

How's health care in general?
Is there free medical care ?
Just curious as my knowledge of the country is about zero!

There are government hospitals and clinics and they are free/low cost but not brilliant. Anyone with means will get care in Bloemfontein.
That being said, it has improved over the last couple of decades.
Some of the issues people face are just the logistics of getting care if they live in the remote rural areas in the high mountains, but again this is easier than it was since the main roads have been tarred.

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