If Harry still lived in the UK , do you think the feud would have been sorted by now?

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I do feel the biggest hurdle between Harry and his family is that he lives in another country, I think if he lived in the UK there would be more opportunity for them to sort it out

I think Harry would need to give a genuine heartfelt apology acknowledging the distress he caused individual family members including the late Queen and Philip. He would also need to sign an iron clad nda that no future conversations will be used in any media. If he can't do that then he will only see his family at funerals and weddings and they will only talk about the weather with him.

It’s a claim two renowned liars made, one who is exceptionally paranoid.

What we DO know is that Harry and Meghan openly endorse the group that bullied Catherine while she was having chemo, made bogus claims that William had murdered her (even using fake footage of an ambulance claiming it was taking her to hospital) resulting in a huge “Where is Kate” campaign (she was in bed with cancer, and they said she was lying) and also spread lies about William’s infidelity. Harry and Meghan pose with these people, and have done well after they smear campaign - I’m thinking it’s not William and Catherine who are the bullies.

What I also noticed is that they were very clever PR wise. They never slagged the Queen off as a person. In fact they gushed over her in the Oprah interview. Because even the most staunch republican respected QE2. They knew if they went there they’d cross a line. But they DID slag her off because they lied and moaned about the institution she is head of, and then claimed to love and worry about her.

I also doubt Harry was her favourite grandson as he claims. QE2 lived staunchly in service and appreciate people who did the same - I reckon she thought he was a total twat

Harry was very much protected in his teen and younger years. The RF PR machine worked hard enough that everyone forgot about the numerous racist incidents.

Unless there’s specifics, which there never seems to be, I don’t believe a word he says.

Tricky question. I really don't think Meghan would have coped with life in the UK much longer - she is clearly not suited to it at all, and the Royal Family was not a very good job of shielding her or Harry from the press. And splitting up would be hard once you've got kids in the picture. The Hague Convention means that it would be very hard for Meghan to take the children back to the US, meaning she'd be stuck in the UK anyway.

If they'd had any sense, they would have had a good old behind-the-scenes chat with Charles and Anne and the Queen, and worked out a solution where they could do a gentle fade-out and retire from public life quietly, with Charles paying for the security. Charles has his faults but he is a loving father who would never willingly allow his son to be screwed over or left without security.

I do think that the relationship between Harry and his family is probably worse as a result of the distance thing (and COVID). The problem is that Zoom (and similar technology) calls do not offer proper communication on really tricky and sensitive subjects. They do not offer the same opportunity for getting a few drinks into someone in a quiet spot and having a heart - to - heart talk. And with Zoom et al, there is no way to be sure that the conversation is not being recorded and that there is not someone else in the room listening.

No because the fundamental problem would still exist.

Harry has burning anger for the U.K. press and would continue to pursue them loudly. Plus he's chosen an ignorant & vulgar wife who thinks marrying a prince means she should spend the rest of her life in a crystal coach while all the peasants tug their forelocks at her. She thinks everyone must like her because she's pretty and has been in the 'moovees'

The royal family needed Harry to take up a quiet & private profession, support his father and marry someone intelligent & discreet.

I read "Spare". He happily describes treating that poor matron horribly. Then he told that horrible sex in the field story about that poor woman who had been 18 at the time so not that much older. The hapless Liz Hurley apparently had to deny that she was the woman in the story.

When he lived in Nott Cottage, he describes how the palace provided him with laundry service, cleaning service, and prepared meals yet he was too lazy to go to a furniture store and buy a couch. Ikea takes cash. He could go to a bank and get some to buy his furniture if he didn't understand the concept of a credit card.

Also as a former retail worker, I saw red when he described how he would go to your version of TJ Maxx, with 15 minutes to closing, go through the whole store and get his many purchases rung up at closing. Talk about entitled. They are trying to close the store and Harry shows up, " incognito" in his baseball cap and embarks on a major shopping spree.

I honestly believe the problem is that William was born first. You are lucky that he was.

I'm inclined to agree. He does seem very paranoid. He's also irrational and wildly contradictory. How can anyone trust his word about anything?

@GreenTeaLikesMe you can't "shield" adults from the press. If you choose a public role and a public life, that's going to happen. Going to pieces because of some stupid tabloid reporting? Speak to every other royal, politician and celebrity. There's an easy alternative to a public life.

I agree. It was the washing of dirty linen in public. I would never be able to trust them. In retrospect I think the obvious lies makes it better for the rest of the royal family because the smaller issues which maybe true are also called into question.

For me, it was that massive U turn over the alleged racism. How could he behave like that? It's so cruel and immoral. Was it just for the money?

I agree with this.

Lots of people were thrown under the bus to keep the stories of Harry's misdemeanors as a teen and young adult out of the papers. You don't hear any of them complaining.

Harry has conveniently forgotten how much the men in grey suits did for him and how much they actually covered up.

The press they got in the UK was positively fawning compared to what they are dealing with now. Harry really didn't seem to have any understanding of how privileged he is. What Harry thinks of press protection is likely William not behaving like an overgrown toddler most of his life.

I also think he crossed the line with William when he and Meghan set about picking on Catherine and trying to paint them as terrible parents. The fact that the stupid dog bowl story from Spare was the first to be leaked to the press is no coincidence.

I truly believe Spare was a step too far and no one will ever talk to him about anything of consequence ever again.

Why are you blaming a woman for the words that came out of a man's mouth?

His recent comments following his trials have really shown his level of delusion and irrationality. Wanting to have an investigation into Diana’s treatment of the press on his behalf - absolute madness! He clearly thinks he’s entitled to whatever information he wants without thinking that perhaps he has no rights to information on other people even his mum

There’s a theory that people get stuck at the age they were when a traumatic event happened.

Which makes sense when you look at Harry’s behaviour.

I suspect they were challenged on this by the RF or by lawyers and maybe couldn’t back it up.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Meghan & Harry did experience some push back but whether that’s down to racism or her and Harry’s demeanour I couldn’t say

No explanation from Harry as to why, if it was all the nasty "British press that said it was racism," they still went ahead and collected an award for "moral courage in standing up to 'structural racism' in the Royal Family."
Lower than a snake's belly.

I think they are both incredibly narcissistic and toxic together. That Oprah was possibly the most tone-deaf thing I’ve seen. Christ even the Queen made a statement, which was definitely off brand. Which also made me question how much of it was really accurate and not the two of them trying to blow up as much shit as they could.
I feel like if the pair had gone off to the U.S and lived their life without slagging the family off at every turn, there might of been a way they could be civil, but you can’t come back from that.

"I wouldn’t be surprised if Meghan & Harry did experience some push back but whether that’s down to racism or her and Harry’s demeanour I couldn’t say"

They probably had pushback about how quickly they got engaged and married given she lived overseas, came from a very different background, and they had limited time together first.

Inviting random celebrities but very few actual friends and family to her wedding was a red flag too.

And I could imagine there were conversations about what their children might look like, as there would be in many families over certain traits. My DGC's north African family wondered what DGC would look like and thought their darker genes would 'win'. To their astonishment, DGC came out with fair skin and red hair, which had skipped a couple of generations in my DC's other family. They weren't being racist, it was normal to wonder.

This is everything I came on to say. And whilst I know the consensus is to pin it all on MM, Harry is an adult with a mind of his own who has allowed (and contributed to) things getting to the point they are now.

A lot of people think that we're he and Meghan to split then he'd glide back effortlessly into the fold but I can't see it. It would take quite a bit of self reflecting, some straight talking and apologising and I'm just not sure he has the balls.

The only way Harry would have stayed in the UK is if he had not married Meghan. It would seem she had no intention of staying so it’s a bit of a moot point as to whether they would have reconciled or not. Harry may well have never fallen out with his family if he had married someone else who didn’t encourage him to leave. I’m not blaming the woman here either, just pointing out that he and Meghan are the perfect storm iyswim. Harry obviously always had the potential to behave as he has done, but he might have behaved differently with someone else

If Harry still lived in the UK , do you think the feud would have been sorted by now?

No. I think it has all gone a step too far and could never be resolved.

Depends if he had taken a similar nuclear action staying here as he did when he torched the place leaving.
I can't see how William will ever have anything to do with him again beyond when he has to (Charles's death, for example).

Is part of the problem that he has taken such a stand on his security? If he'd been willing to accept the (perfectly reasonable) allocation he'd been given, he would have been freer to come and go and bring the kids, I reckon. But because he insists he and they aren't safe without Charles and William levels of protection, that isn't happening and there's no contact to 'oil' the relationship.