If Harry still lived in the UK , do you think the feud would have been sorted by now?

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I do feel the biggest hurdle between Harry and his family is that he lives in another country, I think if he lived in the UK there would be more opportunity for them to sort it out

It’s not Harry that’s the problem. He isn’t bright enough to cause problems by himself so if he returned to live in the UK all would be fine. Markle is the problem. She always has been & she always will be, so and as long as she is pulling his strings nothing will be resolved.

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No. I think he's the product of a dysfunctional upbringing and harbours a lot of resentment. If what he said is true and he was thrown under a bus by his brother, I'm not sure that's easily resolved.

Yes probably. It wouldn't have blown over much quicker.

Or just maybe, she gave him the confidence to finally pull the trigger.

If they'd stepped down from public duties and then moved to anywhere in the whole world to pursue their own commercial interests WITHOUT

1. blindsiding the whole family by doing a dramatic public flounce
2. arrogantly announcing to the world a half-in/half-out model with full taxpayer paid security and continued million pound payments from the Duchy of Cornwall via Charles without actually confirming first with the relevant parties that any of that was possible
3. releasing press statements berating the Queen over her decision on the using the word royal and her decision on what constitutes public service to the royal family
4. going on Oprah and telling lies / stretching the truth to imply terrible treatment with a vague blanket criticism that then tarnishes everyone during the time Harry's grandfather was literally on his deathbed
5. releasing a multipart Netflix documentary again stretching the truth and criticising their family, the UK and the Commonwealth of Nations which was his grandmother's life work
6. releasing a tell-all autobiography again making personal comments and criticisms of all of Harry's closest relatives and their loved ones. Admitting in the actual book that your memory is unreliable but you don't care because it's 'your truth' no matter who it hurts
7. Giving interviews in magazines and on TV using threats and demanding apologies.

Without all of that...

There would be no problems and Harry and Meghan would be able to turn up for the fun family stuff like Christmas and Trooping etc - their kids would be able to play together at Balmoral and on the beach at Sandringham.

Unfortunately, they did do all of that so it's unlikely they would be able to fix all that by simply moving back to the UK.

And unlike PP I don't think the problem is all Meghan, they are both problematic in different ways. Harry might be more willing to reconcile but I wouldn't forgive him easily if he was my brother.

I don't think Meghan is the problem.

Harry has shown himself to be entitled, jealous and very damaged. All of which predates Meghan.

I don't think location is the problem either. They are rich and Harry at least has the time to fly over whenever he wants to.

The problem is whether the rest of the family can trust him after he breached their privacy in such an egregious manner. But time is a great healer they say so maybe in a few years?

No. Harry is his worse enemy. His behaviour towards his grandmother and grandad was awful in their last weeks. He obviously got issues...sadly he married someone with similar issues. Where he lives makes no difference...

In what way was he thrown under a bus ?
Much of what Harry ( and Meghan ) claimed after they flounced off has been proven to be untrue so I would like to know what William did ?

Cool, someone in the know. Is it true that the office of William and Catherine briefed against Harry and his wife?

No, I don't believe it would have made any difference. The rift began with the infamous Oprah interview and has escalated since then. Even if he'd been based in the UK at the time, I don't imagine he would have stayed for long, his ego wouldn't have been able to cope with his popularity rating nosediving from very popular to not at all popular.

I think they are both damaged, narcissistic self-obsessed people and are not good for each other. I suspect Meghan is the leading force in that marriage and because she appears very happy to cast people out of her life on a regular basis, I think she encouraged him in publicly slagging off his family, without any thought to the long term consequences. He is pretty dim so I don't think he really thought it through properly. The thing is, for the Royal Family, family is absolutely everything, it is both a family and an institution, so if you go against the family in such a devastating personal way, I can't see how you can ever be let back into the fold. I think they made it worse by not only criticising individual people but the institution as a whole and I suspect that's the part that possibly would be hardest of all for the family to stomach, talk about biting the hand that feeds.
I don't think physical distance makes it harder to resolve. I do think that if they'd left the royal family but stayed living quietly in Britain, they wouldn't have done the netflix shows or he wouldn't have written the book in the first place.

I don't speak to my sister and hell will freeze over before I do so again. Once that relationship has gone, it's gone forever. I feel dreadfully sorry for William being left with the burden of being the son to the King while Harry makes himself an eternal victim because he was born second. Thank God he was, that's all I can say.

No: he said too much publicly about his private quarrels with William.

No, makes no odds where he lives

The problem is whether the rest of the family can trust him after he breached their privacy in such an egregious manner. But time is a great healer they say so maybe in a few years?

Harry maintains his privacy was breached all through his later teenager years and onwards, and that it was done with the permission of certain members of his family and their retainers.

I don’t think we’ll ever know the truth of it all, but I don’t think that the royal family, (or the people who work for them), are innocent victims in this. Harry is not an innocent victim either.

Families working together, with employees muddying the water even further, rarely works.

I don’t think it’s possible to untangle who is in the right or wrong. It doesn’t help that people who only know all of them from a distance take sides, and then there are all the gossip writers selling books and podcasts throwing in their two cents worth.

Harry repeatedly slagged off Kate over the most trivial of things, like lip gloss, in "Waagh". He knows that she isn't allowed to defend herself, which makes his behaviour straight up bullying.

Would you forgive a sibling who treated your spouse like that?

I think when M&H mentioned Kate in that Oprah interview it was over for Harry in terms of his and William’s relationship. It was a bridge too far and I don’t think William will ever forgive him for it.

No I don't think it makes a difference what country Harry lives in. He took the plunge he had been wanting to take for years and left the royal family. I don't think he'll ever forgive William and by speaking publicly against William, I doubt William will forgive him either. I think the only hope is if Charles somehow gets them back on civil terms at least before he dies.
I think both William and Harry are entitled and spoilt and petulant men children.

I think William will work on forgiving Harry, for his (William's) own sake. But he'll never forget. When you watch the Spare promotion interviews, Harry radiated righteousness but he was incredibly spiteful. The damage will never be undone. At this point, I can't imagine a reconciliation between William and Harry.

I think Harry and Charles might reconcile though. But it'll still be a distant relationship, and largely behind closed doors.

If Harry had never left but still did all the things he's done, I think tension would be higher than it is now.

If he'd never left the UK but lived quietly on his massive inheritances, I think there still would have been an underlying tension, because the two couples (W & C, H & M) were clearly never going to be close friends, but it wouldn't have descended into massive public drama.

I think Harry is much more culpable than Meghan. I think she brought out the worst in him but it's his family so his responsibility.

@Sleepington what does Harry need to forgive William for?

Being the eldest? Having more time with Diana? The extra sausage? None of those things are William's fault.

Selling him out to the press? He has never once provided any detail as to what exactly was leaked. And William has all the same reasons to dislike the press that Harry does. I don't think William is perfect by any means, but I don't believe he did that.

Did William get more support from the palace press offices? Yes, I'm sure he did. Because he's the heir. But that's how it works. I'd have more sympathy for Harry on this one if he denounced the whole hierarchy. No 'Prince', no Duke, etc. But he leans into that because the hierarchy is only a problem if the person is senior to him.

I don’t think harry would have said the things he did if he was still living here. Easier for him to slag people off from thousands of miles away and whilst his wife is there to hold his hand.
I can’t ever see a way back for him no matter what happens in the future. Even if his family still love him they know they can never trust him.
I do think MM pulls his strings to some degree but he is an adult so this is no excuse.
He took the nuclear option in blowing up his family so very publicly so it amazes me that he has some thought that all might be forgiven.
If MM ever leaves him he is totally alone.

I don't think it is where he lives that is the issue, it's who he married. I think that if he had met someone that supported him in a positive way he would still be part of the royal family. Chelsea and Cressida were never going to marry him, but if he'd met a Kate, who knows how things could have worked out?

She’s Sussex now!! 😂

Theyre both the problem as long as they’re together.

Given the man’s propensity to lie, I’m inclined to believe that the drugs have made him overly paranoid and nobody threw him under a bus.