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Meghan’s show IS something new and different.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:08

So we have it wrong. THIS IS an entirely new format for a cookery/lifestyle show. Because it isn’t a cookery/lifestyle show. This is Netflix first foray into the world of informercials and they are doing it in NF style; meaning a big budget and a slight twist.

So With Love, Meghan is a 5hr advert for As ever and Meghan Sussex. But what makes it different; is it has been disguised as a lifestyle show and there’s no direct sales. It’s the soft sell…..very beige and subtle.

So every recipe and story Meghan shares, is designed around an As ever product. Even conversations with friends are designed to either sell Meghan or a product.

For example. In Ep 8, she makes shortbread with edible flowers. A packet mix of shortbread with edible flowers is now on the As ever website. Now on the show, we don’t see her open the box. But what we do see, is her giving a very quick run through of a basic dough recipe and then tell the viewer they can just use shop bought. The majority of the time isn’t spent in the baking, it’s spent on the decorating with edible flowers.
This is by design. All the baked goods she’s shows you on the programme, she says things like ‘I don’t enjoy baking’, ‘I’ve never made doughnuts before’, ‘ I only learned last week to make focaccia’ ‘I don’t like measuring’
So while viewers who are expecting to watch a cookery show, are flummoxed by someone with such little baking skills teaching us- it’s because it’s an advert and she’s selling the idea that the baking part isn’t important. So when the As ever baked goods mixes appear after the advert goes out, people will want to buy. Because they know that even Meghan doesn’t like baking. That it’s ok to skip that part, and focus on the decorating and gifting part.

This is soft selling infomercials. It’s a Netflix/QVC hybrid. She is directly selling you the idea and lifestyle, but softly selling you the products. You find out what these products are, after the show.

More examples-
Ep 1 where she makes an Epsom salt bath mix (As ever TM pending). The honey and ginger tea she shares with her friend Daniel is on the As ever website. Teapots are also intended to be sold. The raspberry jam that she uses in the cake she bakes (which again, is a very basic mix and she runs through quickly- because we know she wants to sell packets of the stuff) is now available in the website. As is the honey she used for the cake syrup.

So Ep 2, where we see Meghan make kids party bags. Included are kids gardening tools (which is under the As ever TM application) a honey stick (TM application ) and plant pots (TM application)

Everything is for sale. When in Ep. 7 Meghan puts shop bought croissants in a basket and decants jam into little ramekins, a quick look at the TM application confirms that these are all items she intends to sell under As ever.

How does the soft sell look?

Take for example the jam on the show. The label isn’t on the jar, so it’s not directly selling the brand, As ever. But it’s the same jar shape and we know that it’s raspberry because the cake is decorated with fresh raspberries on top, indicating the jam used. Or the crepe are served with the jam and fresh raspberry’s. It’s all very subtle. The raspeberry jam product then drops straight after the show.

The stories she shares are designed to sell too. For example; her memory of her gran making apple butter- she has fruit butters under her TM application.

Even conversations with friends are designed to sell not only Meghan (how wonderful she is) but they are designed to introduce products in the As ever line. So in Ep 5 we see Meghan’s friends Kelly and Abby discuss Meghans love of spicy condiments - these are under the As ever TM application. We also see Abby discuss Meghans love of flowers and how she helped her in her floral business. From the TM application, you can see it is As Ever’s intention to sell fresh flowers and plants. It’s also why we are given floral demonstrations with ‘supermarket’ flowers.

Conversations with her friend Vicky too in Ep 7, about how Meghan loves a polished skin look, while making face masks- again, we see As ever intends to sell non medicated skin products from the TM application.

The show is a practical demonstration of how to use her products, but the products are released after the advert. When you cross ref the TM application items with what was seen on screen, you see clearly that everything is designed for a sale. Crockery, candles,baskets, wrapping paper, jam etc.

Another tell that this is an infomercial hybrid, is the fact that they have said more As ever items will be released seasonally. Why? What’s seasonal about honey and ginger tea and crepe mix that it’s to come out in spring? These are store cupboard items, not seasonal products.
What they actually mean is, when a new advert comes out, new products will be introduced and added to the collection.

This is why all the press reviews for the show mean nothing. NF won’t care that’s it’s ridiculed. We have all just watched the advert they wanted us to watch. What they want is for it to translate into sales for As ever. It really doesn’t matter how much critical acclaim the show gets, as it’s just a vehicle for the products.
Additionally, we know from the TM application that As ever wants to enter the podcast world. So her new podcast will be in furtherance to the brand and selling the products. But again, it will be a soft sell, not direct.

So it IS a completely new style of cooking show. It goes beyond product placement but isn’t direct selling. I think meghan and NF think they have been very clever. At some point everyone will figure out these are just adverts and work out that every recipe, conversation and story, is linked to an item that you can buy on the As ever website straight after the show.

She’s not trying to be Martha Stewart, she wants to be the new Kathy Ireland ……Meghan Sussex. That’s why there’s been a name rebrand. It’s trying to copy the Kathys mega brand (huge in the US, unknown here) but direct selling her own products….but in a 2025 Netflix kinda way.

So the purpose of the informercial was to

1- introduce the name Meghan Sussex. That’s why they’ve included the car crash ticking off Mindy got- because at least it got her new brand name in. It’s the new Kathy Ireland.

2- To sell the new Meghan Sussex image. So throughout each episode, her friends fawn over her and tell her how amazing she is at everything- cooking, hosting, flower arrange etc.

3- To soft sell the lifestyle wirh generic, no label products first, then find out what the As ever products are after. I’m sure this is a way to get around not having to list the show as an advertisement. That’s also why the name of the show and her product line are different. So it’s not seen as traditional advertisement.

With her appearance on Drew Barrymore, she’s confirming the new brand name, confirming that she’s this super nice, working mom and that she has products to sell you.

Absolutely shameless and so underhand in my opinion……but it might work.

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TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 06/03/2025 13:11

God it shouldn't work, I don't think it will.

LaBarruci · 06/03/2025 13:17

That's very convincing, but one elephant in the room: we can't actually buy these products which every episode is tied to, we have no idea when they'll be available, there is no proper outlet to buy them from, and by the time they are launched, if they are ever launched, we'll have forgotten all about the programme.

AutumnCrowRoyale · 06/03/2025 13:19

That’s a fascinating analysis @AtIusvue and pretty convincing.

Are there any items actually for sale yet, with confirmed prices, delivery methods, etc?

I think the flaw in the business plan is going to be pricing, and consequently net profitability, what with the piss-up-in-a-brewery feel around it all so far.

IcedPurple · 06/03/2025 13:25

LaBarruci · 06/03/2025 13:17

That's very convincing, but one elephant in the room: we can't actually buy these products which every episode is tied to, we have no idea when they'll be available, there is no proper outlet to buy them from, and by the time they are launched, if they are ever launched, we'll have forgotten all about the programme.

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Exactly. If you'd want to maximise sales surely you'd have products available for sale when the show is launched? Yet all we get on the website is a picture of a handful of products. No details, no prices, no delivery information. It looks like the website is nowhere near ready to handle sales. Also,as you say this show is not likely to be a 'slow burner' for NF, especially with some big releases set to drop soon.

I just don't buy the idea that the world's biggest streamer really cares about selling a few pots of edible flowers. And if they did, the launch wouldn't be the shambles we have witnessed.

User14March · 06/03/2025 13:26

Clever. Are there any preservatives in these ‘mixes’ - E numbers, or are they organic? Presumably all very low cost to make indeed. Where manufactured I wonder ?

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:26

Some items are up on the website, but as yet you can’t purchase.

Having unfortunately seen all 8 episodes, I can see the all recipe, craft items in the TM application. She’s even intending on selling alcohol and cocktail mixes. This is a big part of her show. So again, expect to see these items too. As I say, everything, everything is about the sales for As ever.

But it’s being reviewed in the press as a straight up cookery show. It’s telemarketing on a streaming site basically.

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FamiChiki · 06/03/2025 13:27

It's .... Just..Not that deep? We live in a capitalist society. People sell themselves and sell their products to support their brand.. if I could be in Cali making jam and nice memories with my kids, then fuck me, I'd be there in a heartbeat, and I'm a right cynical bastard 😅

I assume if she was living here it would be people ranting about "British taxpayers" funding whatever aspects of their lives, and you would be hating on her about that instead.

Look at the Kardashians. Selling their makeup, shapewear, whatever. Or Oprah shilling her weight loss stuff, books, I don't even know. Do you get offended enough to essay about them? It's all optional to engage with, and you don't have to be offended by it?! This is such a thorough assassination of the Meghan stuff that I almost could believe it's some sort of new counter-culture form of advertising, where people will assume the show and product can't actually be that bad, because the vitriol is so disproportionate to the actual subject matter?!

I can't bring myself to care if she's grifting. It's jars of jam, flowers and a pleasant looking lifestyle FFS, she's not hurting anyone. If anything I'm jealous of her, she looks healthy and happy and dare I say able to poke fun at herself more than I'd realised prior to watching a few episodes (never engaged with her stuff before she hrpugh ambivalence).

Roy Choi was fun to watch too and his food looks incredible . May I add, I am an anti-royalist, but fuck me, let them get on with their very nice looking life without being hurt personally by the fluff and glamour and aspirational advertising. Everyone does it, people with a brain can filter put what they really want to buy and support. I'd love to try her jam, and I hate influencing as much as the next person, but this form is certainly more soothing than some!

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:30

IcedPurple · 06/03/2025 13:25

Exactly. If you'd want to maximise sales surely you'd have products available for sale when the show is launched? Yet all we get on the website is a picture of a handful of products. No details, no prices, no delivery information. It looks like the website is nowhere near ready to handle sales. Also,as you say this show is not likely to be a 'slow burner' for NF, especially with some big releases set to drop soon.

I just don't buy the idea that the world's biggest streamer really cares about selling a few pots of edible flowers. And if they did, the launch wouldn't be the shambles we have witnessed.

It’s touched by Meghans hand, so we know it’s going to be shambolic in some way. But we also know that NF are directly involved with As ever. She’s told us this. Yes, having the products ready to go would make sense, but we’re in Meghans world now. It makes no sense.

NF puts up the advents and they get a cut if the As ever market.

BUT we have no idea if it will sell. I know it looked like at one point she was selling for $25.l for batter mix. Which if true , no one will buy.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:31

FamiChiki · 06/03/2025 13:27

It's .... Just..Not that deep? We live in a capitalist society. People sell themselves and sell their products to support their brand.. if I could be in Cali making jam and nice memories with my kids, then fuck me, I'd be there in a heartbeat, and I'm a right cynical bastard 😅

I assume if she was living here it would be people ranting about "British taxpayers" funding whatever aspects of their lives, and you would be hating on her about that instead.

Look at the Kardashians. Selling their makeup, shapewear, whatever. Or Oprah shilling her weight loss stuff, books, I don't even know. Do you get offended enough to essay about them? It's all optional to engage with, and you don't have to be offended by it?! This is such a thorough assassination of the Meghan stuff that I almost could believe it's some sort of new counter-culture form of advertising, where people will assume the show and product can't actually be that bad, because the vitriol is so disproportionate to the actual subject matter?!

I can't bring myself to care if she's grifting. It's jars of jam, flowers and a pleasant looking lifestyle FFS, she's not hurting anyone. If anything I'm jealous of her, she looks healthy and happy and dare I say able to poke fun at herself more than I'd realised prior to watching a few episodes (never engaged with her stuff before she hrpugh ambivalence).

Roy Choi was fun to watch too and his food looks incredible . May I add, I am an anti-royalist, but fuck me, let them get on with their very nice looking life without being hurt personally by the fluff and glamour and aspirational advertising. Everyone does it, people with a brain can filter put what they really want to buy and support. I'd love to try her jam, and I hate influencing as much as the next person, but this form is certainly more soothing than some!

Its an observation on the business plan, which I have stated could actually work.

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IcedPurple · 06/03/2025 13:34

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:30

It’s touched by Meghans hand, so we know it’s going to be shambolic in some way. But we also know that NF are directly involved with As ever. She’s told us this. Yes, having the products ready to go would make sense, but we’re in Meghans world now. It makes no sense.

NF puts up the advents and they get a cut if the As ever market.

BUT we have no idea if it will sell. I know it looked like at one point she was selling for $25.l for batter mix. Which if true , no one will buy.

I still think that if NF were invested in any serious way the roll out would have been much slicker. Yes, she told us they're 'involved' but what in practice does that mean? It could mean very little.

As I said on the other thread, I think foodstuffs are a very poor choice for a brand like this. Not only are all the products readily available in any supermarket, everyone knows the exact, low, price of the ingredients. She hasn't given us a reason for why her products are so special. Are they organic? Proceeds going to charity? Made by the Duchess' own fair hand? So unless you're a super fan, and there aren't many of those, it's hard to see why you'd order such a basic product online for a big mark up.

CharlotteSometimes1 · 06/03/2025 13:35

Why did you watch all 8 episodes?

Screamingabdabz · 06/03/2025 13:35

I wish her well. I also wish they’d strip the grasping pair of their royal titles.

User14March · 06/03/2025 13:37

I think this will work very well in the fullness of time.

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:37

The products aren’t special at all. They are standard fare . But she’s expecting people to be sold on the lifestyle she can sell….that of a barefoot duchess

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WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 06/03/2025 13:37

Maybe it will be a success then. Time will tell.

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:39

I don’t know the American market well, but it could be successful. I know telemarketing is big in the US and this is effectively the streamer version.

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User14March · 06/03/2025 13:40

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:37

The products aren’t special at all. They are standard fare . But she’s expecting people to be sold on the lifestyle she can sell….that of a barefoot duchess

In which case the aspiring lower middle class are her target market?

3peassuit · 06/03/2025 13:41

I’ve seen a few American cooking things on you tube where most of the ingredients are from packets and just thrown in together. There is little to no skill involved in such offerings. Meghan’s is more of same only with more flowers.

Reetpetitenot · 06/03/2025 13:42

I wonder who the products are aimed at? The monied and health conscious cali set won't shell out on packet cake mix, so is she aiming for mass market? If so, the price point will have to compete with what's already available in every supermarket across the country.

TulipDay · 06/03/2025 13:43

I can't find the As Ever website

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:45

User14March · 06/03/2025 13:40

In which case the aspiring lower middle class are her target market?

Honestly, I don’t know. I can’t figure out who her market is.

Her Tig fans were very young at the NYC launch. Would they really buy these products? I’m not sure

Many trad wife wannabes in the US I would think are republicans and won’t connect with feminist, activist Meghan. so won’t buy into it.

Cant see young liberal women wanting to buy boxed cake mix from someone who is selling trad wife life.

I really can’t think who it would be, but there must be people. She has fans. I just don’t know who they are.

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User14March · 06/03/2025 13:46

@Reetpetitenot aspiring lower middle class, men like her father perhaps - people she knows. Someone might espy a packet shortbread mix and say ‘ohhh check you, how lah-dee-da!’. Privately she might be dissing to posh mates ‘shh of course our chef only does organic’ think Ratners. Genius!

jerkchicken · 06/03/2025 13:48

I can’t understand the mindset behind clearly disliking MM but yet watching every episode of her show and spending what seems like hours researching and analysing her actions. Why give so much importance to someone you clearly are not a fan of? I don’t care for MM either way but can’t understand this level of obsession.

thinktwice36 · 06/03/2025 13:49

What a load of old 💩

I’d be surprised if her Sussex Squad actually follow through and spend cash - a bunch of keyboard warriors.

FamiChiki · 06/03/2025 13:50

I think her business plan is fine. Not everything has to fit the same mould. Slow living seems to be their thing, maybe it's an application of a slower pace, after all I doubt she's got financial issues on her back lol.

And dare I say, it's nice to see someone cooking "real" food with carbs and butter and fresh natural ingredients with no air miles etc (a far cry from so much American food/dietary choices, look at their childhood obesity statistics and weep).

Sure, people live in food deserts and are poor and can't grow stuff etc but information helps. How to make healthier things fun for kids helps.

Maybe she will be beaten with the same stick used on poor old Jamie Oliver when he tried to pry turkey twizzlers out of the hands of UK parents.. 😅