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Meghan’s show IS something new and different.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:08

So we have it wrong. THIS IS an entirely new format for a cookery/lifestyle show. Because it isn’t a cookery/lifestyle show. This is Netflix first foray into the world of informercials and they are doing it in NF style; meaning a big budget and a slight twist.

So With Love, Meghan is a 5hr advert for As ever and Meghan Sussex. But what makes it different; is it has been disguised as a lifestyle show and there’s no direct sales. It’s the soft sell…..very beige and subtle.

So every recipe and story Meghan shares, is designed around an As ever product. Even conversations with friends are designed to either sell Meghan or a product.

For example. In Ep 8, she makes shortbread with edible flowers. A packet mix of shortbread with edible flowers is now on the As ever website. Now on the show, we don’t see her open the box. But what we do see, is her giving a very quick run through of a basic dough recipe and then tell the viewer they can just use shop bought. The majority of the time isn’t spent in the baking, it’s spent on the decorating with edible flowers.
This is by design. All the baked goods she’s shows you on the programme, she says things like ‘I don’t enjoy baking’, ‘I’ve never made doughnuts before’, ‘ I only learned last week to make focaccia’ ‘I don’t like measuring’
So while viewers who are expecting to watch a cookery show, are flummoxed by someone with such little baking skills teaching us- it’s because it’s an advert and she’s selling the idea that the baking part isn’t important. So when the As ever baked goods mixes appear after the advert goes out, people will want to buy. Because they know that even Meghan doesn’t like baking. That it’s ok to skip that part, and focus on the decorating and gifting part.

This is soft selling infomercials. It’s a Netflix/QVC hybrid. She is directly selling you the idea and lifestyle, but softly selling you the products. You find out what these products are, after the show.

More examples-
Ep 1 where she makes an Epsom salt bath mix (As ever TM pending). The honey and ginger tea she shares with her friend Daniel is on the As ever website. Teapots are also intended to be sold. The raspberry jam that she uses in the cake she bakes (which again, is a very basic mix and she runs through quickly- because we know she wants to sell packets of the stuff) is now available in the website. As is the honey she used for the cake syrup.

So Ep 2, where we see Meghan make kids party bags. Included are kids gardening tools (which is under the As ever TM application) a honey stick (TM application ) and plant pots (TM application)

Everything is for sale. When in Ep. 7 Meghan puts shop bought croissants in a basket and decants jam into little ramekins, a quick look at the TM application confirms that these are all items she intends to sell under As ever.

How does the soft sell look?

Take for example the jam on the show. The label isn’t on the jar, so it’s not directly selling the brand, As ever. But it’s the same jar shape and we know that it’s raspberry because the cake is decorated with fresh raspberries on top, indicating the jam used. Or the crepe are served with the jam and fresh raspberry’s. It’s all very subtle. The raspeberry jam product then drops straight after the show.

The stories she shares are designed to sell too. For example; her memory of her gran making apple butter- she has fruit butters under her TM application.

Even conversations with friends are designed to sell not only Meghan (how wonderful she is) but they are designed to introduce products in the As ever line. So in Ep 5 we see Meghan’s friends Kelly and Abby discuss Meghans love of spicy condiments - these are under the As ever TM application. We also see Abby discuss Meghans love of flowers and how she helped her in her floral business. From the TM application, you can see it is As Ever’s intention to sell fresh flowers and plants. It’s also why we are given floral demonstrations with ‘supermarket’ flowers.

Conversations with her friend Vicky too in Ep 7, about how Meghan loves a polished skin look, while making face masks- again, we see As ever intends to sell non medicated skin products from the TM application.

The show is a practical demonstration of how to use her products, but the products are released after the advert. When you cross ref the TM application items with what was seen on screen, you see clearly that everything is designed for a sale. Crockery, candles,baskets, wrapping paper, jam etc.

Another tell that this is an infomercial hybrid, is the fact that they have said more As ever items will be released seasonally. Why? What’s seasonal about honey and ginger tea and crepe mix that it’s to come out in spring? These are store cupboard items, not seasonal products.
What they actually mean is, when a new advert comes out, new products will be introduced and added to the collection.

This is why all the press reviews for the show mean nothing. NF won’t care that’s it’s ridiculed. We have all just watched the advert they wanted us to watch. What they want is for it to translate into sales for As ever. It really doesn’t matter how much critical acclaim the show gets, as it’s just a vehicle for the products.
Additionally, we know from the TM application that As ever wants to enter the podcast world. So her new podcast will be in furtherance to the brand and selling the products. But again, it will be a soft sell, not direct.

So it IS a completely new style of cooking show. It goes beyond product placement but isn’t direct selling. I think meghan and NF think they have been very clever. At some point everyone will figure out these are just adverts and work out that every recipe, conversation and story, is linked to an item that you can buy on the As ever website straight after the show.

She’s not trying to be Martha Stewart, she wants to be the new Kathy Ireland ……Meghan Sussex. That’s why there’s been a name rebrand. It’s trying to copy the Kathys mega brand (huge in the US, unknown here) but direct selling her own products….but in a 2025 Netflix kinda way.

So the purpose of the informercial was to

1- introduce the name Meghan Sussex. That’s why they’ve included the car crash ticking off Mindy got- because at least it got her new brand name in. It’s the new Kathy Ireland.

2- To sell the new Meghan Sussex image. So throughout each episode, her friends fawn over her and tell her how amazing she is at everything- cooking, hosting, flower arrange etc.

3- To soft sell the lifestyle wirh generic, no label products first, then find out what the As ever products are after. I’m sure this is a way to get around not having to list the show as an advertisement. That’s also why the name of the show and her product line are different. So it’s not seen as traditional advertisement.

With her appearance on Drew Barrymore, she’s confirming the new brand name, confirming that she’s this super nice, working mom and that she has products to sell you.

Absolutely shameless and so underhand in my opinion……but it might work.

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keyboardtypo · 06/03/2025 21:59

Surely not? Who is that invested that they’d watch 8 episodes of a show to write an essay long theory in order to forestall criticism from fans of Meghan?

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FancyBiscuitsLevel · 06/03/2025 22:01

OP - where your theory falls flat is Netflix. Meghan might be a bit shambolic, but Netflix are not. They are her business partner- they have had her tv shows (and therefore the product list) for best part of half a year. If this was a fancy infomercial so they could claw back some of their investment in H&M, then as others have said, the products would be quick to sale. They would be ready to ship.

It’s a good theory, just I’m not buying Netflix being that disorganised. Meghan, yes, Netflix, no.

chillibuns · 06/03/2025 22:09

jerkchicken · 06/03/2025 13:48

I can’t understand the mindset behind clearly disliking MM but yet watching every episode of her show and spending what seems like hours researching and analysing her actions. Why give so much importance to someone you clearly are not a fan of? I don’t care for MM either way but can’t understand this level of obsession.

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Amnesix · 06/03/2025 22:17

Yorkshiredolls · 06/03/2025 18:07

My gosh have you really got that much time on your hands that you put so much effort into watching it all and then writing all that? Who cares

Excuse me but why are you on MN if you don't like reading other people's opinions?

I think OP's analysis explains a lot, including the booze.

JoyousEagle · 06/03/2025 22:23

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 06/03/2025 22:01

OP - where your theory falls flat is Netflix. Meghan might be a bit shambolic, but Netflix are not. They are her business partner- they have had her tv shows (and therefore the product list) for best part of half a year. If this was a fancy infomercial so they could claw back some of their investment in H&M, then as others have said, the products would be quick to sale. They would be ready to ship.

It’s a good theory, just I’m not buying Netflix being that disorganised. Meghan, yes, Netflix, no.

But didn't she say Netflix were a partner in As Ever as well? Tbh this confused me at the time because I hadn't heard about Netflix's plan to open physical stores so didn't really see how/why they'd be partnering with a business like that. But if they are, surely it only makes sense if what they're selling is stuff from the show?

swimsong · 06/03/2025 22:26

smilesy · 06/03/2025 13:54

The OP watched every episode so that they could form a full and balanced view of the content. Are you suggesting this was the wrong thing to do when critiquing a series of programmes? It isn’t relevant whether you like the programme or the presenter

I could understand that if the OP was sending it in for publishing in a magazine. It just seem like an odd hobby to devote so much time to.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 06/03/2025 22:26

The OPs analysis explains a lot about her theory about what Meghans plans might be but doesn’t explain why the OP, who doesn’t like Meghan and doesn’t want this to be a success watched the show. Even if you wanted to give her a fair chance and thought you’d watch the first one, to sit through all the episodes of the series seems crazy behaviour.

keyboardtypo · 06/03/2025 22:29

quite

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 22:37

Yes, it’s not a well oiled machine right now- not having the products ready to go. But I don’t think that pulls away from the idea of what the show is designed to be. Streamer platform infomercials.

Im not aware that it’s been done before. Telemarketing on cable and network tv in the US has been very successfull over the years. Now with shops on Tik Tok etc, I think NF are trying a new way to create revenue.

Also the idea that NF wouldn’t let a business bungle happen? They signed Harry and Megan didn’t they? That was always a disaster waiting to happen.

Meghan n Harry had a deal with Spotify too- that was a disaster and late, despite Spotify doing their best.

But you really have to watch all the 8 episodes to see it- then have a look at the TM application and it all makes sense.

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Devonshiregal · 06/03/2025 22:42

I genuinely don’t know why people are either acting like what op has said is a revelation or ridiculous. It was incredibly obvious that the show is a self indulgent advert for her new “company”. Every other bloody word is honey (or jam). It’s not the first time this has been done but it is incredibly unsubtle to the point I would agree it’s a first in this case. But sadly yes, people will buy 25 dollar cake mix and sadly, yes, people will have awful shame over not being a perfect mum when the reality is most people can’t afford basic jam let alone super expensive hand made Jam. And good lord could the woman be any more obsessed with her own handwriting. It’s like watching a child who has just learned about putting hearts above their is

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 22:55

Overhaul54 · 06/03/2025 18:52

Maybe putting the show out first before having products means she's not contravening any laws on product placement or mis selling.

The fact that they pop up a few months later for people to buy doesn't necessitate her having to say she's selling rather than making a regular show?

I think you’re correct.

So NF in the US ( Which is the market Meghan wants not the UK) has to abide by strict rules about stating that it’s an advertisement. Weirdly, NF in the UK isn’t covered by OFCOM and doesn’t have to at all!

I think they’ve found their way around the US rules

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SpreadingJammyTodgerLove · 06/03/2025 23:09

@AtIusvue I think you have put together a really interesting theory, linking the format of the series, and it's general lack of content/methodology, with the TM applications, and the intention that viewers emulate MM through the vehicle of pre-packaged imitations of a life, rather than the integrity of an authentic and creative experience of one's own.

It's a shame certain posters refuse to engage in your theory, and instead prefer to attack your motives and character.

glitterturd · 06/03/2025 23:14

Goldenrobin · 06/03/2025 21:50

I watch American YouTube channels and they all call dried pasta, noodles.

Isn't that cultural misappropriation? 😂

Viviennemary · 06/03/2025 23:19

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:37

The products aren’t special at all. They are standard fare . But she’s expecting people to be sold on the lifestyle she can sell….that of a barefoot duchess

The trouble is does anybody want to be her. Not really. Married to the scowling petulant Harry. No thanks. She's a failed royal a failed author. And soon to be a failed cookery show hostess.

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 23:20

SpreadingJammyTodgerLove · 06/03/2025 23:09

@AtIusvue I think you have put together a really interesting theory, linking the format of the series, and it's general lack of content/methodology, with the TM applications, and the intention that viewers emulate MM through the vehicle of pre-packaged imitations of a life, rather than the integrity of an authentic and creative experience of one's own.

It's a shame certain posters refuse to engage in your theory, and instead prefer to attack your motives and character.

Thanks!

Love that description. Put it better than me!

Heres the thing, I haven’t even said it’s a bad idea. I think in the US it might work. Have no idea why that irritates the fans so much.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 23:23

Viviennemary · 06/03/2025 23:19

The trouble is does anybody want to be her. Not really. Married to the scowling petulant Harry. No thanks. She's a failed royal a failed author. And soon to be a failed cookery show hostess.

Thing is, she seems to have fans. I’m not sure what they see, but she does have them. It’s if they can afford her price points…..$25 for cake mix? Not so sure

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BasiliskStare · 07/03/2025 01:41

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 23:23

Thing is, she seems to have fans. I’m not sure what they see, but she does have them. It’s if they can afford her price points…..$25 for cake mix? Not so sure

@AtIusvue I am not sure I believe that $25 for a packet of cake mix for one moment. I reckon it was a blunder in putting out a test page - given all the products seemed to be $25 or it's a cunning plan for when she releases it at $10 people say Oh cheap at half the price - rush me 6 packets. ( I don't believe that last bit either) . I think what she seems to have here is a poor man's Flamingo Estate. There are people who will spend $78 dollars on some very good olive oil , properly sourced in a lovely bottle with a hand written label - and have had to sign up to their club to do so. I think that is where M would like to be but cake / cookie mix and dried flower sprinkles aren't really giving off that upmarket sense. - And you can buy edible flowers for titivating from Amazon. I think without knowing the prices it's too difficult to know where she's really aiming

But thank you for your interesting views. I am sure things will become clearer 😂

Baital · 07/03/2025 03:14

Surely part of the 'value' of Flamingo Estate products is that they are so expensive? As with any luxury brand, it isn't just the quality of the item, it is showing that you can afford to spend so much money?

1WanderingWomble · 07/03/2025 06:09

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 06/03/2025 22:26

The OPs analysis explains a lot about her theory about what Meghans plans might be but doesn’t explain why the OP, who doesn’t like Meghan and doesn’t want this to be a success watched the show. Even if you wanted to give her a fair chance and thought you’d watch the first one, to sit through all the episodes of the series seems crazy behaviour.

She was watching it and reporting back for the braying hate brigade on the royal family board. Everyone needs a hobby, I guess.

DelectableMe · 07/03/2025 06:59

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 23:23

Thing is, she seems to have fans. I’m not sure what they see, but she does have them. It’s if they can afford her price points…..$25 for cake mix? Not so sure

Her fans are those royalists who just seem to be in awe of status and titles. Meghan, by marriage, is a royal duchess, so there's a level of unearned wealth, status and privilege that a certain cohort seem to admire. It's a funny thing in the 21st century to be so uncritical of a person and even be a fan because she's royal, but I suppose there is that cachet. Each to their own.

DelectableMe · 07/03/2025 07:00

Baital · 07/03/2025 03:14

Surely part of the 'value' of Flamingo Estate products is that they are so expensive? As with any luxury brand, it isn't just the quality of the item, it is showing that you can afford to spend so much money?

Yes, it's deliberately priced in that way. All about status and wealth.

Choux · 07/03/2025 08:33

Wow this is an interesting thread especially the opening post.

I haven't seen the show but have seen a few trailers, snippets on the news etc. it sticks in my mind that at one point she has used the words 'my business' in one of them - possibly something like 'I get to introduce you to my business' so I feel there is absolutely an intention to monetise that show further in some way.

The clip where she talks about not being Meghan Markle but being Meghan Sussex now and wanting to have the same name as her kids was so cringe. I think she is worried about tying the Duchess title too closely to the business as it is a reminder of all the disappearing to Canada after about 2 years of working royal, Oprah, racism accusations etc. It might also upset Charles and William to see the title being monetised. She included the rebrand to Meghan Sussex to try to head off the past and start again. Having the same initials now as Martha Stewart probably appeals too.

Off to Google Flamingo Estate now as I have never heard of it!

AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 08:39

https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/meghan-sussex-as-ever-brand-announcement

Re-Create the Magic of With Love, Meghan at Home with As ever

‘Meghan, Duchess of Sussex is partnering with Netflix to launch her new lifestyle brand, As ever.Dedicated to curating beautifully crafted essentials for the home, the line brings Meghan’s signature design aesthetic— as seen in her series With Love, Meghanto life.’

This is from the Netflix website. It demonstrates NF involvement and the intention that you recreate With love, Meghan moments, with As ever products.

This article and the first 8 products for preview, was released on the 4th March. The same day the show dropped. As I say, this is NF with Meghan, creating informercials for the streamer era .

The first 'As Ever' product line.

Re-Create the Magic of With Love, Meghan at Home with As ever

Meghan, Duchess of Sussex’s new brand of products launches spring 2025.

https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/meghan-sussex-as-ever-brand-announcement

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AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 08:41

NF

Meghan’s show IS something new and different.
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Choux · 07/03/2025 08:58

As someone said the US market is huge and different to here. I am not sure As ever will ever launch here - in any case that photo reminds me so much of a selection of Duchy originals products being set up for a photo.

I have family in the US but have never heard of Kathy Ireland. I think Williams Sonoma, the Pioneer Woman are also virtually unknown here.

The convenience factor in the US is something else. One morning my family made pancakes and they were in the pan when the delivery of the maple syrup showed up via a 'groceries in 20 minutes' type app. And they don't live in a big city. They are in a suburban neighborhood about 10 miles away from a small town medium city.

Cake mixes and long life versions of fresh foods fill aisles in the supermarkets.