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Meghan’s show IS something new and different.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:08

So we have it wrong. THIS IS an entirely new format for a cookery/lifestyle show. Because it isn’t a cookery/lifestyle show. This is Netflix first foray into the world of informercials and they are doing it in NF style; meaning a big budget and a slight twist.

So With Love, Meghan is a 5hr advert for As ever and Meghan Sussex. But what makes it different; is it has been disguised as a lifestyle show and there’s no direct sales. It’s the soft sell…..very beige and subtle.

So every recipe and story Meghan shares, is designed around an As ever product. Even conversations with friends are designed to either sell Meghan or a product.

For example. In Ep 8, she makes shortbread with edible flowers. A packet mix of shortbread with edible flowers is now on the As ever website. Now on the show, we don’t see her open the box. But what we do see, is her giving a very quick run through of a basic dough recipe and then tell the viewer they can just use shop bought. The majority of the time isn’t spent in the baking, it’s spent on the decorating with edible flowers.
This is by design. All the baked goods she’s shows you on the programme, she says things like ‘I don’t enjoy baking’, ‘I’ve never made doughnuts before’, ‘ I only learned last week to make focaccia’ ‘I don’t like measuring’
So while viewers who are expecting to watch a cookery show, are flummoxed by someone with such little baking skills teaching us- it’s because it’s an advert and she’s selling the idea that the baking part isn’t important. So when the As ever baked goods mixes appear after the advert goes out, people will want to buy. Because they know that even Meghan doesn’t like baking. That it’s ok to skip that part, and focus on the decorating and gifting part.

This is soft selling infomercials. It’s a Netflix/QVC hybrid. She is directly selling you the idea and lifestyle, but softly selling you the products. You find out what these products are, after the show.

More examples-
Ep 1 where she makes an Epsom salt bath mix (As ever TM pending). The honey and ginger tea she shares with her friend Daniel is on the As ever website. Teapots are also intended to be sold. The raspberry jam that she uses in the cake she bakes (which again, is a very basic mix and she runs through quickly- because we know she wants to sell packets of the stuff) is now available in the website. As is the honey she used for the cake syrup.

So Ep 2, where we see Meghan make kids party bags. Included are kids gardening tools (which is under the As ever TM application) a honey stick (TM application ) and plant pots (TM application)

Everything is for sale. When in Ep. 7 Meghan puts shop bought croissants in a basket and decants jam into little ramekins, a quick look at the TM application confirms that these are all items she intends to sell under As ever.

How does the soft sell look?

Take for example the jam on the show. The label isn’t on the jar, so it’s not directly selling the brand, As ever. But it’s the same jar shape and we know that it’s raspberry because the cake is decorated with fresh raspberries on top, indicating the jam used. Or the crepe are served with the jam and fresh raspberry’s. It’s all very subtle. The raspeberry jam product then drops straight after the show.

The stories she shares are designed to sell too. For example; her memory of her gran making apple butter- she has fruit butters under her TM application.

Even conversations with friends are designed to sell not only Meghan (how wonderful she is) but they are designed to introduce products in the As ever line. So in Ep 5 we see Meghan’s friends Kelly and Abby discuss Meghans love of spicy condiments - these are under the As ever TM application. We also see Abby discuss Meghans love of flowers and how she helped her in her floral business. From the TM application, you can see it is As Ever’s intention to sell fresh flowers and plants. It’s also why we are given floral demonstrations with ‘supermarket’ flowers.

Conversations with her friend Vicky too in Ep 7, about how Meghan loves a polished skin look, while making face masks- again, we see As ever intends to sell non medicated skin products from the TM application.

The show is a practical demonstration of how to use her products, but the products are released after the advert. When you cross ref the TM application items with what was seen on screen, you see clearly that everything is designed for a sale. Crockery, candles,baskets, wrapping paper, jam etc.

Another tell that this is an infomercial hybrid, is the fact that they have said more As ever items will be released seasonally. Why? What’s seasonal about honey and ginger tea and crepe mix that it’s to come out in spring? These are store cupboard items, not seasonal products.
What they actually mean is, when a new advert comes out, new products will be introduced and added to the collection.

This is why all the press reviews for the show mean nothing. NF won’t care that’s it’s ridiculed. We have all just watched the advert they wanted us to watch. What they want is for it to translate into sales for As ever. It really doesn’t matter how much critical acclaim the show gets, as it’s just a vehicle for the products.
Additionally, we know from the TM application that As ever wants to enter the podcast world. So her new podcast will be in furtherance to the brand and selling the products. But again, it will be a soft sell, not direct.

So it IS a completely new style of cooking show. It goes beyond product placement but isn’t direct selling. I think meghan and NF think they have been very clever. At some point everyone will figure out these are just adverts and work out that every recipe, conversation and story, is linked to an item that you can buy on the As ever website straight after the show.

She’s not trying to be Martha Stewart, she wants to be the new Kathy Ireland ……Meghan Sussex. That’s why there’s been a name rebrand. It’s trying to copy the Kathys mega brand (huge in the US, unknown here) but direct selling her own products….but in a 2025 Netflix kinda way.

So the purpose of the informercial was to

1- introduce the name Meghan Sussex. That’s why they’ve included the car crash ticking off Mindy got- because at least it got her new brand name in. It’s the new Kathy Ireland.

2- To sell the new Meghan Sussex image. So throughout each episode, her friends fawn over her and tell her how amazing she is at everything- cooking, hosting, flower arrange etc.

3- To soft sell the lifestyle wirh generic, no label products first, then find out what the As ever products are after. I’m sure this is a way to get around not having to list the show as an advertisement. That’s also why the name of the show and her product line are different. So it’s not seen as traditional advertisement.

With her appearance on Drew Barrymore, she’s confirming the new brand name, confirming that she’s this super nice, working mom and that she has products to sell you.

Absolutely shameless and so underhand in my opinion……but it might work.

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Choux · 07/03/2025 13:52

AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 12:25

I just never thought Harry would allow Meghan to sell out and look as grabby as this.

She’s no different to when Fergie was flogging stuff on QVC. This is just the ‘elevated’ NF version.

They need a lot of money for the lifestyle they lead. Huge mansion, house and office staff, kids will need the best schools etc. They lead a royal lifestyle without the financial backing of the Duchy of Lancaster or Cornwall.

Their funding is the Spotify and Netflix deals and whatever they can sell through As ever. Spotify ended early and I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix ends early by mutual agreement if this show and shop is not a success.

Harry probably doesn't like it hence staying in the background but he's burnt his bridges to his dad and brother's millions and his revenue options are dwindling so they have to get on with it. It's the plight of the second son with a chip on his shoulder about his brother's star getting ever brighter.

pursuitOfSomething · 07/03/2025 13:57

Wouldn't their avid fans love a reality show with them in it

Given their privacy concerns generally and how protective they are with their children's images I can't see them doing a reality home base show unless in dire financial trouble.

They could do a workplace behind the scenes show - a tour or setting up a bussiness but that could be risky given how she so often been accused of bullying in workplaces - even a hint of that wouldn't help her image. On other hand could help them shift product and drum up PR for future ventures.

BelfastBug · 07/03/2025 14:32

DelectableMe · 06/03/2025 20:24

That's an excellent point. I read one review (was it the Guardian?) which made the point about Harry wanting to leave the publicity and limelight behind, but married a woman who wanted as much of that as she could get.

This is giving me Paul McCartney and Heather Mills vibes.....remember when all his family and friends saw through her that she was essentially a hostile, delusional, grandiose, fantasist - but as he was lovebombed he couldnt see it.

AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 14:58

Choux · 07/03/2025 13:52

They need a lot of money for the lifestyle they lead. Huge mansion, house and office staff, kids will need the best schools etc. They lead a royal lifestyle without the financial backing of the Duchy of Lancaster or Cornwall.

Their funding is the Spotify and Netflix deals and whatever they can sell through As ever. Spotify ended early and I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix ends early by mutual agreement if this show and shop is not a success.

Harry probably doesn't like it hence staying in the background but he's burnt his bridges to his dad and brother's millions and his revenue options are dwindling so they have to get on with it. It's the plight of the second son with a chip on his shoulder about his brother's star getting ever brighter.

It makes me think they never got as much out of the media deals that was said in the papers, if she’s now resorting to informercials.

There more exposed she becomes, the less sellable she gets. It’s a death spiral for their finances.

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Onlyonekenobe · 07/03/2025 15:09

I think the sorts of women (and it will be women) in the US who might buy this stuff, once or twice, are suburban housewives in flyover states (I know that's catty, but there it is).

It'll be the ones who don't work, live in quite large houses in the suburbs of big cities in Arizona and Indiana and Kentucky, drive SUVs and get their hair and nails done every other week. They'll wear alo and lululemon. They'll buy one maybe two products on their first go, mention it to their school mom friends when they pop round for coffee. They'll feel fancy drinking hibiscus tea, using the crepe mix. They'll have $25 to spend, but they'll also know that a better price would be $12-$15 for the tea (Whole Foods sells fancy teas for less than that) and $12 for the crepe mix so they'll have high expectations of the product. I can't think which stores in those neighborhoods would sell these products: it's either going to be the massive out of town Target (nobody in Target is going to spend $25 on tea or a crepe mix), or the niche fancy foods deli on the nearest Main Street. Then again, with packaging for the raspberry spread as advertised, I don't know which stores would stock such things other than, say, Bloomingdales or Saks and in any event they'd need to sell for $40+ to justify the production cost of the packaging alone. I can't see there would be that many women willing to spend that sort of money on jam in that demographic. Ultimately, these women are savvy enough with home budgeting for this to be a one-off thing for the novelty UNLESS the product is really, really, really good. It either has to be exceptionally good, or exceptionally cheap for these women to spend money on it.

The trouble is, however, that Meghan Markle just isn't a big enough draw anywhere in the States. She's just not that liked, or aspirational. Too many people are either neutral or positively dislike her. So the volume of sales just won't be there.

I think in her mind's eye she imagines being stocked in her local boutique in Montecito and equivalent neighborhoods around the country: Vail, Aspen, Martha's Vineyard, the Hamptons, La Jolla, Westport, Palm Springs, Santa Fe, etc. Plenty of people there will spend that kind of money on this stuff, even if the quality is mediocre. But in those places the association with Meghan Markle is positively off-putting: women who shop in those places respect success and will put their money towards women they respect (Gwyneth, Bethany Frankel etc). MM is the opposite of that.

And then, bizarrely, Netflix is stocking her in their mall-based experience stores in Philadelphia and Texas!

None of it makes any sense. The product type, the look of the product quality, the price point, the packaging, the target market. As with everything with MM, it looks like an exercise in wanting to be everything and ending up being nothing.

BemusedAmerican · 07/03/2025 15:39

Dunkin Donuts, a very widespread US chain, introduced hibiscus ice tea last year. My local indie coffee shop sells it in the summer. It's very easy to buy hibiscus for tea.

AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 16:17

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StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 16:20

AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 12:25

I just never thought Harry would allow Meghan to sell out and look as grabby as this.

She’s no different to when Fergie was flogging stuff on QVC. This is just the ‘elevated’ NF version.

I actually think QVC would have been a good fit for her. Genuinely.

I like QVC. I have occasionally bought things from there if Ive found myself watching it.

I think she has QVC skills and vibe. She speaks well she looks nice, she can gush endlessly about any superficial nonsense as if it's so special, and has basic acting skills.

I think a QVC meghan brand might have been a good bet. Maybe homeware: throws, candles glassware.

M gushing about how she uses them in her home would get a few picking up the phone to order while they watched I'm sure.

Too much of a comedown though so this Netflix show with a veneer of cooking lifestyle content to cover the fact it's really just an advert gives her just a bit more dignity than QVC.

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 16:24

Onlyonekenobe · 07/03/2025 15:09

I think the sorts of women (and it will be women) in the US who might buy this stuff, once or twice, are suburban housewives in flyover states (I know that's catty, but there it is).

It'll be the ones who don't work, live in quite large houses in the suburbs of big cities in Arizona and Indiana and Kentucky, drive SUVs and get their hair and nails done every other week. They'll wear alo and lululemon. They'll buy one maybe two products on their first go, mention it to their school mom friends when they pop round for coffee. They'll feel fancy drinking hibiscus tea, using the crepe mix. They'll have $25 to spend, but they'll also know that a better price would be $12-$15 for the tea (Whole Foods sells fancy teas for less than that) and $12 for the crepe mix so they'll have high expectations of the product. I can't think which stores in those neighborhoods would sell these products: it's either going to be the massive out of town Target (nobody in Target is going to spend $25 on tea or a crepe mix), or the niche fancy foods deli on the nearest Main Street. Then again, with packaging for the raspberry spread as advertised, I don't know which stores would stock such things other than, say, Bloomingdales or Saks and in any event they'd need to sell for $40+ to justify the production cost of the packaging alone. I can't see there would be that many women willing to spend that sort of money on jam in that demographic. Ultimately, these women are savvy enough with home budgeting for this to be a one-off thing for the novelty UNLESS the product is really, really, really good. It either has to be exceptionally good, or exceptionally cheap for these women to spend money on it.

The trouble is, however, that Meghan Markle just isn't a big enough draw anywhere in the States. She's just not that liked, or aspirational. Too many people are either neutral or positively dislike her. So the volume of sales just won't be there.

I think in her mind's eye she imagines being stocked in her local boutique in Montecito and equivalent neighborhoods around the country: Vail, Aspen, Martha's Vineyard, the Hamptons, La Jolla, Westport, Palm Springs, Santa Fe, etc. Plenty of people there will spend that kind of money on this stuff, even if the quality is mediocre. But in those places the association with Meghan Markle is positively off-putting: women who shop in those places respect success and will put their money towards women they respect (Gwyneth, Bethany Frankel etc). MM is the opposite of that.

And then, bizarrely, Netflix is stocking her in their mall-based experience stores in Philadelphia and Texas!

None of it makes any sense. The product type, the look of the product quality, the price point, the packaging, the target market. As with everything with MM, it looks like an exercise in wanting to be everything and ending up being nothing.

I presume she has to put up all the investment on products for Aserver herself and Netflix will just provide a platform for her to sell.
They have nothing to lose. They'd paid for the show already so this just gives them an opportunity to make some money back off it. And if it happened to be a big success they'd cash in.

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 16:34

Sorry @Onlyonekenobe not sure why I quoted you there my post isn't directly relevant to yours!

Oceangrey · 07/03/2025 16:38

I have no particular views on Meghan, but I like your analysis.
I'm a gritty drama type person so won't be watching but am quite interested in the debate.

DelectableMe · 07/03/2025 16:56

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 16:20

I actually think QVC would have been a good fit for her. Genuinely.

I like QVC. I have occasionally bought things from there if Ive found myself watching it.

I think she has QVC skills and vibe. She speaks well she looks nice, she can gush endlessly about any superficial nonsense as if it's so special, and has basic acting skills.

I think a QVC meghan brand might have been a good bet. Maybe homeware: throws, candles glassware.

M gushing about how she uses them in her home would get a few picking up the phone to order while they watched I'm sure.

Too much of a comedown though so this Netflix show with a veneer of cooking lifestyle content to cover the fact it's really just an advert gives her just a bit more dignity than QVC.

I agree. I think QVC would be ideal for Meghan, that really is her level.

Spectre8 · 07/03/2025 16:57

jerkchicken · 06/03/2025 13:48

I can’t understand the mindset behind clearly disliking MM but yet watching every episode of her show and spending what seems like hours researching and analysing her actions. Why give so much importance to someone you clearly are not a fan of? I don’t care for MM either way but can’t understand this level of obsession.

It's like reading a dissertation on this board now a days. 🥱

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:06

Spectre8 · 07/03/2025 16:57

It's like reading a dissertation on this board now a days. 🥱

I can't understand the mindset of people who read threads they find boring just to commentate negatively.
It's weird obsession.

DelectableMe · 07/03/2025 17:09

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:06

I can't understand the mindset of people who read threads they find boring just to commentate negatively.
It's weird obsession.

I suppose it's a hobby.

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:10

It's got a second season 🫢🤣

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14474059/Meghan-Markle-Netflix-renewed-second-season.htm

Because of our chatter 😁!!

I guess this will be good news for Aserver brand and products. Presumably they'll be out for the next series.

Spectre8 · 07/03/2025 17:14

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:06

I can't understand the mindset of people who read threads they find boring just to commentate negatively.
It's weird obsession.

Well of the posts start to become essays tbh lose the will to live reading it all

BelfastBug · 07/03/2025 17:16

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:10

It's got a second season 🫢🤣

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14474059/Meghan-Markle-Netflix-renewed-second-season.htm

Because of our chatter 😁!!

I guess this will be good news for Aserver brand and products. Presumably they'll be out for the next series.

Maybe they contractually still owe NF further output given that Pearl, Meet Me by the Lake, Ms Haversham etc were dumped?

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:20

Spectre8 · 07/03/2025 17:14

Well of the posts start to become essays tbh lose the will to live reading it all

And yet you do.
And comment.

IcedPurple · 07/03/2025 17:23

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:10

It's got a second season 🫢🤣

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14474059/Meghan-Markle-Netflix-renewed-second-season.htm

Because of our chatter 😁!!

I guess this will be good news for Aserver brand and products. Presumably they'll be out for the next series.

The episodes have already been filmed, probably at the same time as the first 'season'. So it's not so much getting another season as NF dumping all the episodes before their contract expires.

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:26

BelfastBug · 07/03/2025 17:16

Maybe they contractually still owe NF further output given that Pearl, Meet Me by the Lake, Ms Haversham etc were dumped?

Maybe.

I am beginning to think though everyone said:
There'd be no cooking show. And there has been.

They'd be no products. And It looks like there will be.

They'd be no second series, it was over for her.
There's going to be one.

Maybe we're all wrong!?

What is for sure: this is going to take a while to play out and it's going to be fun watching and discussing it.

Except for Spectre who is so bored yet still here.

Overhaul54 · 07/03/2025 17:31

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 06/03/2025 22:26

The OPs analysis explains a lot about her theory about what Meghans plans might be but doesn’t explain why the OP, who doesn’t like Meghan and doesn’t want this to be a success watched the show. Even if you wanted to give her a fair chance and thought you’d watch the first one, to sit through all the episodes of the series seems crazy behaviour.

All those threads on Trump are by people that don't watch or listen to anything he says are they?
Brexit, Covid, Depp and Heard whatever it is you have to actually know what it is you dislike.

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:34

IcedPurple · 07/03/2025 17:23

The episodes have already been filmed, probably at the same time as the first 'season'. So it's not so much getting another season as NF dumping all the episodes before their contract expires.

Does it say they're already filmed?
I missed that.

Still good news as another infomercial for M to flog her fruit spread with presumably the products available this time.

How many more jam 'ideas' can she come up with though? I guess we're going to find out.
And the next series will presumably introduce new products.

I'm actually quite pleased that the fun of watching this play out isn't over yet!

MonteShitshow · 07/03/2025 17:35

AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:26

Some items are up on the website, but as yet you can’t purchase.

Having unfortunately seen all 8 episodes, I can see the all recipe, craft items in the TM application. She’s even intending on selling alcohol and cocktail mixes. This is a big part of her show. So again, expect to see these items too. As I say, everything, everything is about the sales for As ever.

But it’s being reviewed in the press as a straight up cookery show. It’s telemarketing on a streaming site basically.

Oh dear. I read your analysis about the series being a super long infomercial in the other thread. But I had not realised that her ineptitude is being cashed in upon to promote quick mixes. That makes me uncomfortable - it’s precisely why I am put off by MLM sales pitches disguised as part of the sellers’ new lifestyle. Most of the time the products are never as magical as claimed to be.

It feels disingenuous. I’d be suspecting that anything she does or mentions would be linked to trying to peddle cheap things to me.

IcedPurple · 07/03/2025 17:37

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:34

Does it say they're already filmed?
I missed that.

Still good news as another infomercial for M to flog her fruit spread with presumably the products available this time.

How many more jam 'ideas' can she come up with though? I guess we're going to find out.
And the next series will presumably introduce new products.

I'm actually quite pleased that the fun of watching this play out isn't over yet!

People magazine have said that the episodes have already been filmed. The fact that they're going to be dropped around the same time the NF deal is supposed to expire suggests to me that they are simply dumping them.

I think the 'news' is being released now to give the impression that NF execs were so impressed with the show's performance that they rushed to renew it, but that's not really the case.