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The poem is sad and I am truly sorry if she was unhappy in her childhood. I can also see how that can mould people in difficult ways.

The fact is though that she is a 40 odd year old woman and immensely privileged. She has agency and choice, and opportunities which some who have very, very much worse early experiences could never begin to hope for.

Lots of people have difficult childhoods but it doesn’t turn them into the sort of person she seems to be. Completely self serving and lacking in human decency. It’s a choice.

The whole debacle with her father was excruciating and the wider members of her family. I’m by no means a fan of M or H, but I can see this was a difficult time.

However, if H & M had flown over and bought her father back initially and had him protected within their fold there could have been a way of making it work.
He could have attended the wedding and been seated with Charles still walking her down the aisle and presenting her to her father for say a kiss before resuming the service. People do understand that if a parent isn’t as comfortable or capable to perform ceremonial duties that’s fine. And these were on the world stage.

It should all have been handled differently. Doria was impeccable and graceful and beautiful and it’s sad that they couldn’t have had her father there in whatever capacity that could have been adapted and adjusted to work for him.

I agree, @Uricon2 and @LovelyJubly12 .
Plenty of people had worse starts and now lead positive and productive lives.

What they've done to their children by isolating them from their family is abusive. There will be lots of questions to answer.

Re Thomas Markle.. it wasn’t just that he had to face walking his daughter down the aisle in a televised ceremony watched by millions , he had never met the groom ! Quite ridiculous that he was ever expected to do that. He was supposed to fly in a day or two beforehand so would have been suffering from jet lag too. No wonder he had a heart attack.

@LovelyJubly12 it doesn’t make any sense, which makes me think never in the plan. All on the hoof? Really…

"What seems to have set Thomas off was how he feels he was treated over the wedding/pap shots and his health issues. Then he gets 'The Letter' from Meghan which he doesn't leak until goaded into it by the 'Five Friends' talking about in People Magazine at which point he goes to the DM with it."

When was this letter sent and what was it about - who, how and why did 5 friends goad him?

There was also a letter from Thomas Markle Jr to PH before the wedding saying that he shouldnt marry her because she had left their Dad bankrupt from her debts and abandoned him and that she was 'jaded, shallow and conceited' and would make a mockery of the monarchy. Who leaked that letter and who persuaded him to retract it?

Some people think Thomas Markle not getting to meet Lili and Archie is cruel of Meghan. But Roslyn Markle (Thomas’ first wife) has said he’s never met 2 of his 5 other grandchildren and has no relationship with any of them.

DailyMail.com can reveal that - despite his statement welcoming his sixth grandchild on Monday - the Duchess of Sussex’s father has never met two of his older grandchildren, and is a virtual stranger to the others.

Edited to add that Roslyn has praised Meghan, and it is not only the one grandchild, Ashley, who has spoken out in praise of their Aunt Meghan.

That really is very good.

The Daily Mail is now a valid source! 😂

That's all very possible, but makes it strange that she used to say what a great father he was on her social media.

The letter was from Meghan to her father after the wedding trying - it was an attempt to address the issues she felt needed to be dealt with after the wedding debacle.

We know a lot about it because it was part of one of the court cases Meghan brought against the publishers of the DM/MoS.

Jason Knauf testified that she had sent him the copy of the letter before posting it to check the content in case it leaked. He testified that she had said she was going to use the term ‘Daddy’ in the letter to refer to Thomas because in the event that the letter was leaked that would ‘tug at the heartstrings’.

The ‘five friends’ were never named but were referred to in an article by People magazine as sources who were talking on Meghan’s behalf about her relationship with her father - the article referred to a letter she had sent him - the article painted him in a bad light via these five friends who it was implied had seen this letter.

In the court case the defendants wanted to know the identity of the five friends so they could could provide testimony about the letter but the judge denied that so we never found out who they were.

@wordler ”In the court case the defendants wanted to know the identity of the five friends so they could could provide testimony about the letter but the judge denied that so we never found out who they were.”

I wonder if they are still friends ??

@Mylovelygreendress the evidence would suggest…Anyone watched Apple Cider Vinegar? Childhood trauma or dysfunction leading to a personality disorder, the useful, ‘hosts’ not partners or friends. Along with a lot of admirable qualities to include tenacity, charisma, savviness, joie de vivre, flair, verve & huge industriousness.

I wonder… all the gushing about her father that turned out to be play acting. The gushing about her mother . The gushing about her wonderful marriage and the perfect love she and Harry have. The gushing about her perfect children. Is it all the same pattern?

Good point.

Does anyone remember when (May 6th 1994 ) Cindy Crawford and Richard Gere took out a full page advertisement in the Times to say how very happily married they were and any rumours to the contrary were false. It was quite bizarre . They said they were heterosexual and monogamous and had no prenup inter alia (just why? )

Anyway it was announced they had split up on December 1st that year. 😂

I am not laughing at people slitting up btw there just the whole bonkersness and overreaction to some story.

I remember that, @BasiliskStare . I also read an article once by someone who had gone through the "Hello" articles about people's blissful relationships and lifestyles, and counted how many had ended acrimoniously.
Why did Meghan introduce him at Invictus?
Why did she introduce him as "my husband and the father of my children"? Reeks.

Yes @BasiliskStare that was a head scratcher even by Lalaland standards. All it succeeded in doing make people who had no interest in the Gere/Crawford marriage previously speculate.

@MissFenellaPrism also yes, utterly superfluous. He's Prince bloody Harry and we all know you're married to him and have kids. There might be the odd penguin on an Antarctic iceflow who hasn't heard yet but doubt they're in the market for jam.

😂😂she's over egging.
Somewhat 🤔

There might be the odd penguin on an Antarctic iceflow

Don't mention the penguins!

😂😂
Oh my god, Harry! Such a fool.

Anyone feel the momentum for the show is gone? Even her instas aren’t getting the headlines they did. And as time goes on that will continue.

With everything that’s happening in the US/world , it feels pointless.

I was always going to watch, mainly for the entertainment. But even I feel …meh.

@LaMarschallin Ah, but do the penguins sing back?

Re: Belle Gibson, I get Clive vibes from Harry.

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Ah, but do the penguins sing back?

Of course. And the seals clap them enthusiastically.