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angelinawasrobbed · 02/03/2025 17:28

‘As Been…

MaturingCheeseball · 02/03/2025 17:34

Those pics @isaknowsbest !!!! I can’t unsee Meghan doing the wheelbarrow race! My face is forming into a Dowager Countess of Grantham expression…

VaddaABeetch · 02/03/2025 17:53

Rhaidimiddim · 02/03/2025 16:18

That would have made a very strong feminist statement.

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Why a strong feminist statement? Genuine question.

Megan was previously married & in her late 30s. Why was she being ‘given away?’ If anyone was to give her away wouldn’t it have been the ex husband?

I can see her mother being there for support.

Harry had William with him . Wouldn’t it be usual for a bride to have sisters/friends there as support?

BemusedAmerican · 02/03/2025 17:55

Uricon2 · 02/03/2025 17:17

You can tell there is not much Plantagenet blood there any more. I bet Edward I is revolving in Westminster Abbey at the thought of successors falling out over lip gloss, bridesmaids tights, air fresheners and beards (and as far as I can ever see, W&C are not the Hurty Feels squad behind it)

ETA you need the Devil's Brood, the sons of Henry II, for a proper sibling scrap. No dogbowls involved.

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Remember what happened with Edward II and his wife ...

Uricon2 · 02/03/2025 17:58

BemusedAmerican · 02/03/2025 17:55

Remember what happened with Edward II and his wife ...

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8 Hour Cream wouldn't help much 😂

ThePoshUns · 02/03/2025 19:34

They're talking on times radio now about Meghans show, and her jam. And Kate making her own jam.

wordler · 02/03/2025 19:49

VeryconfusedNana · 02/03/2025 16:37

@wordler

I suspect by the time William and Kate got married they were very comfortable being around Royalty and the accompanying razzamatazz.

I'm sure they were more used to the royals but I don't imagine anyone is used to the drama and hugeness of a big royal wedding. She wasn't able to be relaxed and smile/tear up at all - nerves of steel if she managed that on her own without some chemical help!

And Michael doing that LONG walk down the aisle with the cameras on them. My own Dad was shaking a little with emotion at my wedding and we only had 44 guests and a small civil ceremony.

My DH and I both started crying (joy tears) during the vows at my DSD's wedding - I guess we are just a super emotional family.

LaBarruci · 02/03/2025 20:04

It's interesting to speculate on what will happen in 13 - 15 years' time when Lilibet and Archie reach the age of eighteen, and free to make their own decisions, assuming that M&H maintain their policy of keeping them well clear of the UK due to these security issues, which we assume will be the explanation to the children as to why they are growing up so estranged from their royal grandfather, uncle, great-aunt and great-uncles and their many cousins, in a country they have never known, all constantly on the TV and in the media as they've been growing up. Will they seek a reconciliation with that side of the family, and will they be welcomed into the fold as King William V's and Queen Catherine's niece and nephew? I suppose M&H might relax their security considerations a bit as the children reach their teenage years.

StartupRepair · 02/03/2025 20:08

Mike Tindall said that his relatives were nervous meeting the RF at his wedding but he pointed out that making small talk with random strangers and putting them at ease is exactly what the RF are good at.

MissRoseDurward · 02/03/2025 20:27

They're talking on times radio now about Meghans show, and her jam. And Kate making her own jam.

We already knew that she makes chutney. Years ago she told the story of how she took a jar of home made chutney as a gift the first time she met the Queen. So not so surprising if she also makes her own jam, or has done in the past.

isaknowsbest · 02/03/2025 20:28

MaturingCheeseball · 02/03/2025 17:34

Those pics @isaknowsbest !!!! I can’t unsee Meghan doing the wheelbarrow race! My face is forming into a Dowager Countess of Grantham expression…

Must have been the weed 😂

MrsLeonFarrell · 02/03/2025 20:29

As a piece of satire, the idea that Catherine and Charles are conspiring to takeover the jam industry behind William and Harry's backs is hilarious.

On the subject of Thomas Markle, does anyone else remember all those interviews he did before and after the wedding, begging to see Meghan, coming over funded by the papers etc? I felt at the time there was something off about him and his behaviour. He is someone who worked in the TV industry and knew about privacy for famous people and he was happy to be interviewed over and over about Meghan. I don't buy that he was an innocent at sea in the nasty media world.

I remember feeling very sorry for Meghan with a father like that, it was like he was threatening her to get her attention, rather bullying in fact. So I can believe that, as much as she sold her father as perfect in The Tig, the reality of the relationship was different and that there is something about him that makes her wary and ok with cutting him off. I'm not saying I believe the rumours on social media, just that she may have her reasons and they may actually be good ones.

MummyJ12 · 02/03/2025 20:49

I agree with you completely @MrsLeonFarrell. It sounds like Meghan had quite a chaotic upbringing, which could have (will have almost certainly IME) lead to attachment issues. This would certainly explain why she struggles to maintain friendships, relationships and connections to people; seems impulsive and also struggles to trust people (and take advice on board).

Baital · 02/03/2025 21:06

MrsLeonFarrell · 02/03/2025 20:29

As a piece of satire, the idea that Catherine and Charles are conspiring to takeover the jam industry behind William and Harry's backs is hilarious.

On the subject of Thomas Markle, does anyone else remember all those interviews he did before and after the wedding, begging to see Meghan, coming over funded by the papers etc? I felt at the time there was something off about him and his behaviour. He is someone who worked in the TV industry and knew about privacy for famous people and he was happy to be interviewed over and over about Meghan. I don't buy that he was an innocent at sea in the nasty media world.

I remember feeling very sorry for Meghan with a father like that, it was like he was threatening her to get her attention, rather bullying in fact. So I can believe that, as much as she sold her father as perfect in The Tig, the reality of the relationship was different and that there is something about him that makes her wary and ok with cutting him off. I'm not saying I believe the rumours on social media, just that she may have her reasons and they may actually be good ones.

Yes, there's no indication he is a great dad. My point is she said he was. And yet again a gap between what she said and what is real...

And also Doria, who was supposedly the other gem at Thanksgiving? And the uncle who got her the internship? And the niece that the RF supposedly blocked from attending the wedding who turned up in the NF series?

If there is a lack of connection in her family, she is recreating it for her children.

wordler · 02/03/2025 21:16

MrsLeonFarrell · 02/03/2025 20:29

As a piece of satire, the idea that Catherine and Charles are conspiring to takeover the jam industry behind William and Harry's backs is hilarious.

On the subject of Thomas Markle, does anyone else remember all those interviews he did before and after the wedding, begging to see Meghan, coming over funded by the papers etc? I felt at the time there was something off about him and his behaviour. He is someone who worked in the TV industry and knew about privacy for famous people and he was happy to be interviewed over and over about Meghan. I don't buy that he was an innocent at sea in the nasty media world.

I remember feeling very sorry for Meghan with a father like that, it was like he was threatening her to get her attention, rather bullying in fact. So I can believe that, as much as she sold her father as perfect in The Tig, the reality of the relationship was different and that there is something about him that makes her wary and ok with cutting him off. I'm not saying I believe the rumours on social media, just that she may have her reasons and they may actually be good ones.

Having looked back at the timeline he was actually fairly contained before the wedding - his children though were absolutely awful once they realised they hadn't been invited.

What seems to have set Thomas off was how he feels he was treated over the wedding/pap shots and his health issues. Then he gets 'The Letter' from Meghan which he doesn't leak until goaded into it by the 'Five Friends' talking about in People Magazine at which point he goes to the DM with it. At that point he get increasingly unhinged with the threats to turn up at the palace and many TV interviews until his health took a turn for the worse again. Meghan's siblings have also really gone for their pound of flesh out of the royal adjacency.

In hindsight it seems a better strategy would have been to invited and supervised and contained the Markle clan and managed them in a similar way to dodgy Uncle Gary.

ThePoshUns · 02/03/2025 21:19

Meghan childhood was chaotic. I have been listening to Revenge by Tom Bowers on audio.
Her parents split when she was 2, her mother was smoking a lot of weed and having affairs with male and insinuated women. Doria and Tom had shared custody to begin with, then Doria opened a clothes store and would go for weeks at a time sourcing stock.
So Meghan was with Tom or maternal grandmother.
Friends from the time say she was resilient and ambitious.
I do admire her for not feeling sorry for herself and making the most of her life but she is clearly single minded and offers some insight into her personality.
Thomas adored her and affectionately called her bean or flower and saw having Meghan as a chance to be a better father than he'd been to his older children

Serenster · 02/03/2025 21:28

MissRoseDurward · 02/03/2025 20:27

They're talking on times radio now about Meghans show, and her jam. And Kate making her own jam.

We already knew that she makes chutney. Years ago she told the story of how she took a jar of home made chutney as a gift the first time she met the Queen. So not so surprising if she also makes her own jam, or has done in the past.

The story of the home made chutney. Kate spoke of it in the documentary The Queen at 90

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35869518

AtIusvue · 02/03/2025 21:36

Regarding Meghans upbringing. I think this is why she is obsessed with the perfect image. The perfect image of home, being a hostess, having the perfect garden, perfect food served at the perfect table, having perfect insta photos of her perfect family.

I think she hated sticking out at her private Catholic school in the 90s, where she may not have had many friends that had divorced parents. I also think on some level she’s angry with Doria- and it’s why she’s gone down the Trad wife route. Almost to show Doria, you can be the perfect mother, stay at home, have a successful business, be a feminist, be a global leader, be an activist …..and you don’t have to leave your child behind to do it.
Also knowing how close Kate is to her family, siblings etc. I think Kate was the perfect girl that she would never be, because of her upbringing. I don’t think she would ever have got on with her.

I had divorced parents- it pissed me off when I was younger too. But then I grew up.

This was a poem she wrote :

ThePoshUns · 02/03/2025 21:45

AtIusvue · 02/03/2025 21:36

Regarding Meghans upbringing. I think this is why she is obsessed with the perfect image. The perfect image of home, being a hostess, having the perfect garden, perfect food served at the perfect table, having perfect insta photos of her perfect family.

I think she hated sticking out at her private Catholic school in the 90s, where she may not have had many friends that had divorced parents. I also think on some level she’s angry with Doria- and it’s why she’s gone down the Trad wife route. Almost to show Doria, you can be the perfect mother, stay at home, have a successful business, be a feminist, be a global leader, be an activist …..and you don’t have to leave your child behind to do it.
Also knowing how close Kate is to her family, siblings etc. I think Kate was the perfect girl that she would never be, because of her upbringing. I don’t think she would ever have got on with her.

I had divorced parents- it pissed me off when I was younger too. But then I grew up.

This was a poem she wrote :

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That's really sad.

MissFenellaPrism · 02/03/2025 21:53

ThePoshUns · 02/03/2025 21:45

That's really sad.

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It is sad, isn't it? I feel for the young Meghan.

LovelyJubly12 · 02/03/2025 21:53

AtIusvue · 02/03/2025 21:36

Regarding Meghans upbringing. I think this is why she is obsessed with the perfect image. The perfect image of home, being a hostess, having the perfect garden, perfect food served at the perfect table, having perfect insta photos of her perfect family.

I think she hated sticking out at her private Catholic school in the 90s, where she may not have had many friends that had divorced parents. I also think on some level she’s angry with Doria- and it’s why she’s gone down the Trad wife route. Almost to show Doria, you can be the perfect mother, stay at home, have a successful business, be a feminist, be a global leader, be an activist …..and you don’t have to leave your child behind to do it.
Also knowing how close Kate is to her family, siblings etc. I think Kate was the perfect girl that she would never be, because of her upbringing. I don’t think she would ever have got on with her.

I had divorced parents- it pissed me off when I was younger too. But then I grew up.

This was a poem she wrote :

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I agree with this and it’s what I’ve always thought.

AtIusvue · 02/03/2025 21:54

I also think it’s quite telling she writes ‘ with a happy dad and loving wife’

Its not mum is it?

The symbol of a ‘proper’ family….is having a dog. Not cats

She got the picket fence. She married a prince. She has two kids, she has two dogs. She’s got the nuclear life she always wanted.

You can see she’s desperate to play the role of ‘loving wife’ ….and all that she thinks it entails- perfect hostess, PDA, beautiful home, prince and princess titles for her kids etc.

She’s craved it for years. But it’s an illusion. You can’t live like that. At some point it all crumbles around you.

MissFenellaPrism · 02/03/2025 22:03

Yes, she does seem to have it all.....

User14March · 02/03/2025 22:07

If you’ve felt as unhappy as she sounds & different at school & you live well in the end you can go OTT in an ‘I’ll show them’ constructed perfection.

You ruthlessly torpedo all that doesn’t fit. This has consequences. You continue on a mission to live better and better.

IdaGlossop · 02/03/2025 22:12

wordler · 02/03/2025 16:07

At the time things seemed so chaotic and Meghan’s half siblings were being so toxic in the press that I just felt very sorry for her. But in hindsight the whole thing was just so badly managed - this is aside from bridesmaid dress gate and alleged rows over the tiara.

It’s astonishing for a Royal wedding which normally work with military precision and MI6 levels of secrecy and privacy.

Among all this chaos in the days leading up to the huge wedding, I can't help but think with great sympathy of the team organising everything and the communications people at Kensington Palace. They must all have known by this point of Meghan's demanding and intransigent nature, and known that there was a real risk of reputational damage to the monarchy. High the stakes indeed.