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Chuchoter · 18/02/2025 08:07

Meghan has renamed her luxury lifestyle brand 'As Ever'.

'As Ever essentially means as it's always been, and if you've followed me since 2014 with The Tig, you know I've always loved cooking and crafting and gardening — this is what I do,' she said. '

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wooliegloves · 18/02/2025 19:02

@PigglyWigglyOhYeah Eh? You mentioned forelock tugging. I'm not a Sussex supporter but wanted to check I used the word correctly to sum up?

BunnyLake · 18/02/2025 19:03

wooliegloves · 18/02/2025 18:56

@Pianoaholic Yes, I am interested what makes people criticise her so much because I don't understand. I thought I made that very clear posts ago! I appreciate that one poster @Onlyonekenobe actually gave me some insight as opposed to labelling my posts tedious or derailing.

I don’t think people would criticise her if she A) had never gone in for all that ridiculous victim nonsense and B) just for once didn’t come across as fake. Every pause, smile, forehead touch, out of breath whispering, whatever, it never seems real or natural. People (and animals) have an instinct for fakery.

My question would be how can you not see it or sense it?

Not sure I have quoted the right person.

Atlusvue · 18/02/2025 19:03

People are not buying the rebrand

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/meghan-markle-gives-lifestyle-brand-new-bad-name-as-ever.html

‘There’s been a lot of confusion about Meghan Markle’s business venture American Riviera Orchard. On March 14, 2024, the Duchess of Sussex⁣⁣⁣ launched a website and Instagram for her new project, which seemed to have something to do with peddling food, cookbooks, and housewares. But nearly a year later, the sites have not been updated, and no products have been sold (though a few of Meghan’s famous pals received jars of American Riviera Orchard–brand strawberry jam).
Now, Markle has renamed her brand As Ever, but it seems everything else about the enterprise is the same. While the Duchess confirmed there will be jam, other details still remain sketchy. The As Ever website features a picture of Markle frolicking with her daughter, Lilibet, and an email sign-up, but no other information. All we know for sure is that Meghan Markle is trying to rebrand herself as a modern-day Martha Stewart, without the business acumen.
Markle announced the name change in a Tuesday Instagram post, which we are supposed to believe was filmed by Prince Harry. (It begins with the royal saying “It’s recording” off-camera, but presumably he had some help with all the zooms and edits in the final product.) A giggly Markle explains that with her Netflix lifestyle series With Love, Meghan debuting in two weeks, she has decided it’s time to share her brand’s new name with the world.
Markle makes it sound like it just occurred to her that the name American Riviera Orchard wasn’t working.
“Last year I had thought, you know, America Riviera, that sounds like such a great name,” she says. “It’s my neighborhood, it’s a nickname for Santa Barbara. But it limited me to things that were just manufactured and grown in this area.”
Is it a bad name? Sure. Was the issue that it limited Meghan to locally produced goods? Almost certainly not. Williams Sonoma is partly named after a location, but no one cares that all the products are not from Sonoma, California. Perhaps the real reason for the change is that Markle has been unable to trademark American Riviera Orchard. The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office told her that businesses can’t trademark a location, and the brand Harry & David claimed the name is too similar to its “Royal Riviera” product line, according to the New York Post.

So why “As Ever”? Markle gives two definitions of the term, though the meaning is pretty clear when used as a sign-off phrase. Then she clumsily tries to explain why it’s a good name for a brand that sells jam and unspecified non-jam products:
“As ever” means “as it’s always been” or, some even say, “in the same way as always.” If you’ve followed along since my days of creating the Tig, you’ll know this couldn’t be truer for me. This new chapter is an extension of what has always been my love language, beautifully weaving together everything I cherish — food, gardening, entertaining, thoughtful living, and finding joy in the everyday.
Markle also suggests the name change has something to with her Netflix deal, saying she decided to make the switch after “Netflix came on not just as my partner in the show but as my partner in my business, which was huge.” But if that’s the case, why are the show, With Love, Meghan, and the brand, As Ever, named after different sign-off phrases?
Doing a second brand unveiling when you have not managed to release any products in the past year is kind of embarrassing. But maybe that’s what the royal’s new public persona is all about. As she says in the trailer: “We’re not in the pursuit of perfection, we’re in the pursuit of joy.”
Okay, being forced to rebrand isn’t a joy, but luckily, Markle gives us a lot of other silly platitudes to choose from. How about: “I have to do it totally wrong to get it totally right.” It doesn’t really make sense, but that’s what the Duchess’s perfectly imperfect branding is all about!’

Onlyonekenobe · 18/02/2025 19:03

Oh, my mistake @BunnyLake . But my point actually remains (re the hypocrisy)!

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 18/02/2025 19:04

wooliegloves · 18/02/2025 18:49

Because they keep doing semi outrageous things and making a scene.

I suppose that's where we differ. I don't see a lifestyle brand with a questionable name, logo or purpose as remotely outrageous.

No one is interested in pouring adoration on them for just existing which is what they seem to want.

I know it's not positive attention, it's clickbait and people want to criticise them. But people are still interested enough to do that whilst claiming they aren't which is the bit that intrigues me.

Writing a book slagging your entire family is quite outrageous, as is airing your in-laws dirty laundry on Oprah. Is that not enough?

If they’d moved on from that and actually launched the damn lifestyle brand that would be on thing, but it seems like endless re-branding and re-launching. What is the purpose of As Ever? What was the purpose of ARO? To sell jam? How many rebrands does that need? Thats the outrageous bit. To keep ‘launching’ the same old nonsense and never actually moving it any further than that.

wooliegloves · 18/02/2025 19:04

@Uricon2 do you not think it damaged Camilla's reputation for a bit? not helped by tampon gate obvs.

jeffgoldblum · 18/02/2025 19:04

I have things to do , I will leave you all to it and return tomorrow, hopefully things will be more interesting.

LipglossAlly · 18/02/2025 19:04

Serenster · 18/02/2025 18:44

Meghan has moved on with her life, she has moved on from the UK and the Royal Family. She is a happy and accomplished woman and that shows.

In my experience happy people don’t feel the need to push back at all perceived criticism of themselves. Or bully their staff. And accomplished people don’t tend to have quite so many rebrands and failures to launch as Meghan has had over the last five years, or such a gulf between their expressed ambitions and their actual achievements.

But io guess that’s something on which we’ll have to agree to differ.

Accomplished people tend to fail and tend to fail a lot I would argue. You know how many times Harry Potter' s manuscripts were rejected?Tens of times.

Who told you that she bullied staff? Are we talking about the same faceless, nameless sources that keep running to the tabloids without speaking with their chest(as opposed to H&M mind you), and may I add what a beautiful coincidence that these accusations came out just some days prior to the Oprah's interview airing.

Grimshadylady · 18/02/2025 19:06

Imagine having affairs. Definitely not Charles and Camilla or the late Queen's sister or Princess Anne. Oh no! No planting of stories about each other in the press and definitely no dysfunctional relationship whatsoever with the British press.

Imagine slagging off your mother (The Queen) and your father. But no way, the Royals don't do that. They are a model of good behaviour, sound family values, etc. Nothing dysfunctional and hypocritical to see here. We must all aspire, in these modern times, to bow to a bunch of unaccomplished people who were apparently ordained by God to be higher than the rest of us two-legged folk.

Thankfully this nonsense is steadily dying. By the time George gets to the throne, this antiquated show will be confined to history. Britain will grow up and take its place as a serious nation on the world stage.

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 18/02/2025 19:07

wooliegloves · 18/02/2025 19:02

@PigglyWigglyOhYeah Eh? You mentioned forelock tugging. I'm not a Sussex supporter but wanted to check I used the word correctly to sum up?

I am very confused. The paragraph you rather presumptuously requested I summarise for you has nothing in it about 'forelock tugging'. 'Forelock tugging' is a sign of subservience and a way of acquiescing to orders or instructions from those in a position of power. Dressing up in pants made of the Union flag and camping out overnight on a tent on the Mall isn't forelock tugging.

BunnyLake · 18/02/2025 19:07

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 18/02/2025 19:04

Writing a book slagging your entire family is quite outrageous, as is airing your in-laws dirty laundry on Oprah. Is that not enough?

If they’d moved on from that and actually launched the damn lifestyle brand that would be on thing, but it seems like endless re-branding and re-launching. What is the purpose of As Ever? What was the purpose of ARO? To sell jam? How many rebrands does that need? Thats the outrageous bit. To keep ‘launching’ the same old nonsense and never actually moving it any further than that.

Maybe that is her career now, not an actual thing but just a constant rebranding. She’s had more reinventions than Madonna in her heyday (at least she did have talent though and an incredible work ethic).

wooliegloves · 18/02/2025 19:07

@Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot when you said keep doing I assumed you meant current actions particularly in the context of the thread title. The interview & book were years ago.

How many rebrands does that need? Thats the outrageous bit. To keep ‘launching’ the same old nonsense and never actually moving it any further than that.

So relaunching & rebranding is outrageous? I don't think it's the most sensible business model but wouldn't call it outrageous.

Mylovelygreendress · 18/02/2025 19:07

LipglossAlly · 18/02/2025 18:54

Charles and Diana anyone?

And those of us old enough to remember those events 30+ years ago , know that the interviews went down badly with the public as did Andrew’s.
I think the late Queen made an excellent response - some recollections may vary - but refusing to engage in a tit for tat and give the Sussexes more ammunition was the right response.

wordler · 18/02/2025 19:08

wooliegloves · 18/02/2025 18:56

@Pianoaholic Yes, I am interested what makes people criticise her so much because I don't understand. I thought I made that very clear posts ago! I appreciate that one poster @Onlyonekenobe actually gave me some insight as opposed to labelling my posts tedious or derailing.

I think it seems like blanket criticism but it more that there's such a variety of types of comments from the light-hearted snark to the other end of the spectrum with the ones who dislike everything about her.

On Mumsnet you've only got a handful of posters who fall in the real hater end of the pool (on swamp pits like Twitter or the comment section of the Daily Mail you will find them in abundance)

Here it's a combination of people who find all the missteps both baffling and mildly amusing, those who support the constitutional monarchy so are critical of certain things both H&M have done, and those who just like seeing an entitled celebrity unmasked (so not really personal to Meghan just to anyone who puts themselves in the public eye)

The PR aspect of it is definitely going to be taught in classes in the future of a blueprint of how not to launch a brand and business.

I'm fascinated in the psychological elements of their behaviour and story.

Serenster · 18/02/2025 19:10

Accomplished people tend to fail and tend to fail a lot I would argue. You know how many times Harry Potter' s manuscripts were rejected?Tens of times.

If that were true, we would be talking about Pearl, The Bench, Archetypes and American Riviera Orchard having objective merit. Clearly, no-one feels that way (other than her fans of course). And secondly of course, once recognised, accomplished people go on to have many successes. Meghan clearly isn’t in that category either. Or are you taking her accomplishments on faith alone?

The plethora of reports about her treatment of staff, on both sides of the Atlantic (all staff gagged by NDAs by Meghan and Harry of course, so they have to be faceless and nameless - who is abusing their power in that dynamic then?) plus Harry’s own account of his own workplace and the reason for his argument with William in Spare all make it much more likely than not that the bullying allegations are true. And Meghan has never denied them, by the way. Nor sued.

wooliegloves · 18/02/2025 19:11

@PigglyWigglyOhYeah I am confused now. I would class camping out all night to wave, cheer & bow for a stranger simply because they are in a position of power as forelock-tugging.

NotaRealHousewife · 18/02/2025 19:11

Grimshadylady · 18/02/2025 19:06

Imagine having affairs. Definitely not Charles and Camilla or the late Queen's sister or Princess Anne. Oh no! No planting of stories about each other in the press and definitely no dysfunctional relationship whatsoever with the British press.

Imagine slagging off your mother (The Queen) and your father. But no way, the Royals don't do that. They are a model of good behaviour, sound family values, etc. Nothing dysfunctional and hypocritical to see here. We must all aspire, in these modern times, to bow to a bunch of unaccomplished people who were apparently ordained by God to be higher than the rest of us two-legged folk.

Thankfully this nonsense is steadily dying. By the time George gets to the throne, this antiquated show will be confined to history. Britain will grow up and take its place as a serious nation on the world stage.

Have you been to the M and H school of fictional writing? As I don't see where anyone has said any of that

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 18/02/2025 19:12

wooliegloves · 18/02/2025 19:11

@PigglyWigglyOhYeah I am confused now. I would class camping out all night to wave, cheer & bow for a stranger simply because they are in a position of power as forelock-tugging.

Yes, because you don't understand the expression. As I said earlier.

IcedPurple · 18/02/2025 19:12

Not sure if there's any point in trying to keep the discussion on topic, given the rehashing of decades old arguments, but I had to laugh at this, from another board.

"As Ever sounds like a name Kotex would use to market incontinence underpants. Or, like, a perimenopausal vitamin supplement."

StElse · 18/02/2025 19:14

Bringing together, for the benefit of others

Aaaaahhaaaaa I saw this too! What fun.

All that money they have. All that time. And fucking jam.

Firealarm1414 · 18/02/2025 19:15

What about the existing clothing brand called as ever? After the trademark problems with the last brand name, surely they will have made sure everything was good to go before announcing this? Nothing would surprise me though. These 2 seem have to extreme difficulty with taking advice and just do whatever they want

LipglossAlly · 18/02/2025 19:15

Mylovelygreendress · 18/02/2025 19:07

And those of us old enough to remember those events 30+ years ago , know that the interviews went down badly with the public as did Andrew’s.
I think the late Queen made an excellent response - some recollections may vary - but refusing to engage in a tit for tat and give the Sussexes more ammunition was the right response.

I wouldn't call defending your self from accusations of racism"engaging in tit for tat".

We are not talking about affairs and mistresses or similar topics.
As I have said previously given how heinous racist behaviour is, nothing is stopping the Royal Family from suing them if they feel that that they were lied about.

If I were Charles, as Head of the Commonwealth which has a large proportion of people of colour, I would strongly defend myself and my family with any means necessary. This is not tit for tat!

Janiie · 18/02/2025 19:15

'would class camping out all night to wave, cheer & bow for a stranger simply because they are in a position of power as forelock-tugging.'

People camp out all night for all kinds of things, new release Iphones, sales etc. It really isn't 'forelock tugging' to be a fan of something. I'm not a big royalist, don't mind them, can take them or leave them but Harry and his non stop whining is very tedious.

Uricon2 · 18/02/2025 19:15

Grimshadylady · 18/02/2025 19:06

Imagine having affairs. Definitely not Charles and Camilla or the late Queen's sister or Princess Anne. Oh no! No planting of stories about each other in the press and definitely no dysfunctional relationship whatsoever with the British press.

Imagine slagging off your mother (The Queen) and your father. But no way, the Royals don't do that. They are a model of good behaviour, sound family values, etc. Nothing dysfunctional and hypocritical to see here. We must all aspire, in these modern times, to bow to a bunch of unaccomplished people who were apparently ordained by God to be higher than the rest of us two-legged folk.

Thankfully this nonsense is steadily dying. By the time George gets to the throne, this antiquated show will be confined to history. Britain will grow up and take its place as a serious nation on the world stage.

Thankfully this nonsense is steadily dying. By the time George gets to the throne, this antiquated show will be confined to history. Britain will grow up and take its place as a serious nation on the world stage.

Ironically, we were visible as quite a serious nation under a variety of Kings and Queens over many hundreds of years and if we aren't now or in the future, it will be sod all to do with the RF.

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