Invictus 2025

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Why is Meghan on the stage ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14374977/Meghan-lovingly-Prince-Harry-Invictus-Games-Vancouver-crowd.html

Off topic but the stories about George Michael that came out after his death really restored my faith in humanity. From 1991 onwards he was making massive donations to charities and people in need and insisting on secrecy. Including funding a couple's IVF journey after he saw them on TV, insisted that his name be kept secret and they didn't find out til after his death. Likewise that lovely story about the £5k tip to the barmaid saving for uni.

OK maybe I'm a bit biased because he was a fellow Greek / Greek Cypriot, but honestly, lovely, lovely man. Thank you for reminding me, @JoyousGreyOrca :-)

Like George, I suffered from addiction issues for years, I am clean and sober but it's only one day at a time. Sobriety is never guaranteed. Addiction makes the sufferer very self centred, so the fact that he had his struggles and still had such care for others is just...magnificent.

George Michaels donations, many on his death, were generous. I volunteered for a local charity that benefitted from his generous donation.
A poster said Harry and Meghan should be like George Michael and not seen at public events, visiting charities or at sporting occasions. I pointed out George Michael was not seen in public for many years because he was consuming shed loads of alcohol and drugs. He was not hiding from public view from some idea of being out of the public view as a moral good.

I wonder if PH position at IG is hanging by a thread - hence the demand in MM opening speech to the competitors and spectators to support her husband as well as her cheering 'him' on?

This is also self interest as she needs PH 'light' to illuminate her commercial interests (with the IG being the only existing viable initiatve that they have).

@GiveMeSpanakopita I think George Michael seemed a genuinely nice guy. I was sorry he was not able to beat his addiction. Well done for beating yours.

You're still missing the fact that his insistence on doing very generous things that really helped people secretly is unrelated to his troubles/staying out of view at times @JoyousGreyOrca He didn't want to be identified not because of his drink/drug issues but because he genuinely wanted to help without making a song and dance about his own marvellousness.

And I agree with @GiveMeSpanakopita . Through all of his bad times he still cared about people and used his (well deserved) money and fortune to good effect.

But I get it now. Some of you here want Meghan and Harry to disappear never to be seen in public again. But to make lots of anonymous donations of money.

It's one day at a time Joyous, which is what we say in 12 Step Recovery. We never say we've 'beaten' it, we are in recovery and it's a process, one day at a time.

@DolliDimples I keep hearing rumours about PH and IG but I don't think they'd cut him loose. Disabled ex-servicemen dislike MM but still have a grudging (although diminishing) respect for PH, if the very, er, robustly expressed conversations on ARRSE are anything to go by.

@Uricon2 I am not missing the point. You are not reading my comments properly. I am not talking about his donations being anonymous. I am explaining why George Michael was not seen in public for many years. Unlike other celebrities he was never seen at film premieres, plays, sporting events. He really did pretty much disappear from public view.
That is what some posters on here want Harry and Meghan to do. Never to be seen again.

@GiveMeSpanakopita Yes sorry I know that. I have a close friend with an alcohol addiction. She says she is still an alcoholic even though she has not drunk and alcohol for over two decades. I understand it is an ongoing journey, but still congratulations.

I'm still genuinely interested in what you think they've done that was truly successful or worthy of praise in the 5 years since they left the UK @JoyousGreyOrca

I very much doubt H&M donate their own money to anyone. The money that goes out through Archewell is not their money. George Michael was giving away his own fortune, not someone else's cash that has been passed through various tax saving vehicles - including, potentially, tax payers' money.

@Uricon2 I am not interested in praising them. They are living their lives, not taking taxpayers money. I do not really care what they do. Although I do think Invictus Games is a success.

What I do not understand is the constant criticism of Harry and Meghan and every single thing they do. From what they wear, to where they stand when photographed, to visiting charities, to what they eat, to where they live.

That is why I asked what do you want them to do instead? And the answer is hide away from public view entirely. Do not go to sporting matches, film premiers, anything basically where they might be photographed. Stay in their mansion and only travel in black out cars and helicopters to places with security and no photographers.

I know that. Exactly like all the Royal Family members. I criticise them all for it.

Good, so you accept they are not philanthropists. You accept they are not giving away their own money. So what exactly is the need for all their showboating themselves as humanitarian philanthropists?

'What you mean is you want them to hide away in their mansion, so people forget they exist. So no attending sporting matches, no visiting charities or organising events, no shopping in public, no attending film premieres, no giving speeches or attending summits or conventions. Just hide away.At least with the NGN pay out they could now afford to do this. But most people do not want to hide away. The reason George Michael did for so many years is he was taking loads of drugs and alcohol and was off his face.'

Their ngn payout will hardly keep them going for long their lifestyle is very extravagant what with private jets etc.

No they don't have to 'hide away'. Just stop their silly faux royal VIP tours and promote IG with a bit less ego. It's about the vets, not Harold.

What an awful comment about the lovely and generous George Michael. Try a bit of kindness instead of bile.

They are doing what the Royal Family do. They do not give away their own money either. Why one and not the other?
I mean I think we could do away with all of them doing this. But Celebrities have always been used to draw attention to charities and attract funding and support. So I am sure it will continue.

What I do not understand is the constant criticism of Harry and Meghan and every single thing they do. From what they wear, to where they stand when photographed, to visiting charities, to what they eat, to where they live.

I believe, for the most part, it is as a result of people being disgusted at how they tried to destroy the RF first and foremost and used that as an opportunity to believe it should have given them a springboard into being the next Michelle and Barak Obama. It comes from the self promotion and the lack of authenticity, I don't think I have seen anyone criticising what they eat (unless you are referring to that avocado thing).

I also think that you have been on this board long enough to know why people criticise them even if you don't understand or agree with it, so its a bit disingenuous to keep on asking the same question, you already know the answer. .

'What I do not understand is the constant criticism of Harry and Meghan and every single thing they do. From what they wear, to where they stand when photographed, to visiting charities, to what they eat, to where they live.'

Why on earth don't you understand it? They've made a career out of constant criticism. You dish it out, you get it back. They should follow their own advice and be authentic and maybe attempt some self awareness. They won't though. They seem unable to do anything but seal clap, rictus grin and pose for photos.

I think Thedom hits the nail on the head with one comment. Garry and Meghan criticised the Royal family and is viewed as trying to destroy it.
So it is revenge. Everything Harry and Meghan does now must be attacked, criticised and ridiculed to punish them.
It does not matter what they do now. That is the truth.

@JoyousGreyOrca So it is revenge. Everything Harry and Meghan does now must be attacked, criticised and ridiculed to punish them.

Nonsense.

Harry has invaded the privacy of so many people, played the perpetual victim, displayed constant persecution complexes on Netflix, Oprah, books. He has acted like the very tabloid press whom he's always spouting about loathing.

It isn't revenge. Rather he's shown us who he is and he is a very unlikeable character.

So yes he will get criticised when he's chasing applause and adulation. His look at me!/don't look at me! crap is tedious and very contrary.

😂😂I think you are waaay off track and possibly going for the derail again.

Have we had But Prince Andrew yet? Or, Peter Philips advertised milk in China .

Except when I asked people how they wanted Harry and Meghan to behave, they said they wanted them to disappear from public view and make anonymous donations of money.

I don't think it's got anything to do with punishing them.

But they put themselves out there in some odd roles like faux royal tours for instance. They milk photo opportunities like the LA wildfires.

What people are talking about on this thread is how Meghan has made this latest Invictus quite a bit about her. Why on earth did she need to do the ridiculous introduction speech? Why all the expensive clothes changes?
Why the over the top PDA episodes that just are not appropriate within this setting? Why the need to be in every photo frame possible?