Is there another couple in the world like The Sussexes?

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I was musing last night about this aspect - they had the world at their feet. Despite what Sussex Supporters like to suggest most people in the UK nodded their heads " yes it was lovely Harry was getting married finally" . I had never heard of the bride myself as I don't watch American tv shows of that ilk. She was black or biracial? It didn't even enter my head what colour she was initially and then as coverage started it didn't make one iota of difference one way or the other. I recall the day of the wedding - it was sunny and the pubs were full of royal cheer broadcasting the wedding.

And then it all started to where we are today.

Are there any other couples in the world who have gone through such a downfall? Is this a feature of the social media arena today?
We see P Diddy and Blake Lively and others exposed now through SM.
You can't count the Duke and Duchess of Windsor in this category as they were always unpopular.

Can you think of any examples of people who have fallen so spectacularly?

I know people say " they live in California, they have money blah blah" but their reputation is one that most people would not want.

Is it purely because of their seeming complaining and sense of entitlement ? I mean you don't see the real philanthropists in this way - in fact you rarely hear about them and what they do.

It wouldn't be for me either - I couldn't cope with it all! It's really bizarre to have to curtsy in private - I wonder does King Charles insist on that?

Thing is though, when you marry into a different 'culture' (which the RF essentially is!) you have to be prepared to respect it, and not offend. She freely chose to marry into it, and I think she should have understood that they would not necessarily do things the way she thought they should!

That piss-take curtsy and H's face was a bit of a 'Ratner moment' for M, really.

Harry did present his new born babe (to the press) at the stables of Windsor Castle,
of all places, the stables, very humble

Oh my word! I didn’t know that, looked it up…and it’s true.

The birth of the son announced at a stable! Harry truly is Joseph!

There are a few of us here on the RF board who have had cancer.

I had colon cancer, had a colon resection (which removed the cancerous tumour) so was theoretically 'cancer free', had treatment and was technically 'in remission' until the 5 year window, when there had been no reoccurrence or metastasis. Had plenty of scares during that 5 year period and have had a few since. The ghost of cancer is always there lurking.

I have nothing but the utmost compassion for Catherine, despite what appears to be an early diagnosis (I am assuming), she will always be living with the ghost of cancer, which you eventually learn to live with it. Anyone who has had a cancer diagnosis will understand that.

I just find it disgusting how Catherine's cancer diagnosis is dismissed, questioned and minimised. Always by H&M supporters, I might add.

H and M supporters think that because Catherine is wealthy and has staff , her cancer wasn’t so bad !
I too have had cancer and i don’t think the fear of it returning ever leaves you .

Exactly, I also was in a very privileged position when I was diagnosed, I had little ones, one was less than 1 year old. So based on how Catherines cancer is minimised, my cancer was not as worrisome because we were in a position to cover the practicalities?

I cried every night and day looking at my babies and having to consider what would happen to them if the worst happens to me, having a nanny or a chef doesn't appease that terror, I would wager a bet on that one.

Excellent posts from Thedom and Mylovelygreendeess.

I also had cancer. Very early stage ovarian. Massive surgery took care of it and no chemotherapy was necessary. Im 10 months away from the end of my 5 years of follow up scans and blood tests and the terror of an early stage cancer is as real as any other.

I’m pretty sure she would not have walked in front of the President of the US, a head of state like the late Queen 🤷‍♀️

Harry should have advised her

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I do have quite a lot of sympathy for Meghan here. It wouldn't occur to me it was rude to walk a tiny bit ahead of the Queen. Or that half the bits of protocol they are all meant to abide by were real or actually important. "

How odd - things like this would be common sense to most people.

Of course they would be common sense. I think she was well aware, just thought she was above having to think about such things.

Then this is Meghan who sees nothing wrong with strutting in front of marching veterans in a playsuit and slides!!

I think this has to be of the most tasteless things she's done!!

Soldiers, queens, whatever - all get elbowed out of the way by Meghan!

I am quite uninterested in that sort of thing and what's considered appropriate levels of deference so while it might be common sense to some it isn't really to me.

I saw a reel recently where Kate was standing by one of the European Queens, can't remember which one and the caption on it was about how amazing it was she had subtly moved herself backwards and to the side because she's so aware of protocol and so adept at following it. I just thought it was bonkers that anyone cared who was a little bit in front and even more bonkers that noticing it and moving is apparently impressive behaviour.

It's not about Royalty protocols @DappledThings . It's about common sense and respect.

Just to clarify your post @wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting that wasn't me that said that.

It was @DappledThings 😂

Still not common sense to me! I'm not really interested in who has the right to go first according to any protocol, royal or otherwise.

Ironically the only time it annoys me is when bridesmaids go in front of the bride because it's not the traditional way and it seems to be becoming more common!

We're talking about a general level of respect here eg let's take the Pope. I know his position. I may think he is a twat but I would behave in a proper manner if I ended up in his company. It's just basic good manners for me but then I was raised that way.

When my boss was the CEO I would always make sure they entered the room first, shook hands first etc. I see that as fairly standard professional manners, not forelock tugging.

Walking level with someone, or behind them, or in front of them doesn't, in my head, have anything to do with respect. So it wouldn't occur to me this was standard protocol and a way of being polite to walk behind someone. Or is level OK, is it just not going ahead that's the key thing?

It's all just rather silly.

So if you were marrying into the RF you wouldn't think to ask about protocols?

I'd be kicked out long before I got to.the alter because I'd have made it clear I wasn't interested in a lot of these rules.

And if I was allowed to go ahead I can well imagine that a lot of what I was told I would struggle to remember because I wouldn't be able to care enough about it. Some of it I would take as part and parcel of signing up to a slightly ridiculous life but I don't think I'd consider all of it to be more important than my relationship and my consideration of these people as family not my employer.

I've visited communities where e.g. women and men eat separately. I've eaten with the women, instead of expecting my values to over ride those of the community I was visiting.

It is basic respect. It doesn't mean you have to agree with those values, or replicate them in the rest of your life. But it is rather arrogant to expect everyone else to accommodate your values, while you ignore theirs.

Matter of opinion of what's important though. I don't think walking slightly ahead of the Queen is even vaguely in the same league as not taking your shoes off in a mosque or something.

There's probably 100 rules Meghan did follow. I have no idea why her walking position is such a significant breach