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Atlasvue · 17/01/2025 17:38

Carrying on.

Employee feels Harry is happy doing charity work and is happy for meghan to do all the work to make money so he doesn’t need to

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CoffeeCantata · 22/01/2025 08:55

garlicandsapphires · 21/01/2025 23:40

Haha she DOES smile at richer for poorer, I just watched on YT. Grin
what a surreal moment for her

I imagine she was like a rabbit caught in headlights throughout most of the ceremony and wouldn't be thinking about the profound meaning of any of the vows! It's a stretch to think she would have the time/presence of mind/calm etc to emote appropriately (or otherwise) to anything. She'd be focused on getting the words right, not tripping over her dress and what her next move was.

I think anyone in that situation can be excused whatever expression happens to pass over their face and not be too harshly judged for it - even Meghan! 😃

CoffeeCantata · 22/01/2025 08:57

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 07:13

Well I know it’s a tough question to answer.

royals - the once who marry into it or the born and bred ones - don’t contribute anything to the population. All they do is live off them. Arguments about royals being good for tourism or trade delegations going abroad are nonsense and every country that doesn’t have royals and still have lots of tourism and trade are proof of that. People still visit the Versailles even though no royals live there - in fact, they get to go in there!

growing up in a monarchy - and this goes the the UK and all the other ones - peasants are brainwashed from childhood into feeling in awe of random descendants of feudal lords of the past, so that these descendants (who usually become more and more feckless each generation) can continue to live in glamour on tax payers money, meanwhile an increasing number of kids in this country rely on food banks and have rotten teeth. It’s a disgrace.

whether Kate genuinely was/ are in love with William is not my place to judge. She may have been and why not? What’s abundantly clear is that she had a targeted campaign at first to get to him, and that she was always a girl into a lavish lifestyle. If they love each other that’s good for them, but why should UK taxpayers have to pay for their up keep in luxury just for laughs? They can go and live happily ever after on their own accord.

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You do talk a lot of rubbish, which is your prerogative. But the tone of your posts seems to suggest you talk for other people.

You don't talk for me!

CaraCameleon · 22/01/2025 09:00

Targeted campaign to get him? How do you know that for a fact? It’s tabloid speculation , nothing more. What a horrible comment.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 22/01/2025 09:00

Cublaca · 22/01/2025 08:26

Catherine already enjoyed a wealthy lifestyle thanks to her parents. Not BRF money, but enough for most people. She was moving in the right society circles, was pretty and smart. She was not going to marry a poor man no matter what, look at Pippa.

She probably struggled to find her identity in her twenties, but that is not uncommon. It is clear that her calling is to be a wife and mother, her career is to be a royal wife and she has been very succesful at both. William should be thanking his luck everyday because I feel it was the best thing has ever happened to him.

The only one said to have a plan to snare a british wealthy man was Meghan. Her so-called career was coming to an end. Suits was ending, and she was aging out of the hot chick roles. She was looking for a plan B and was lucky enough to find Harry.

To be fair, one could suggest that Pippa might not have married a billionaire if she weren't an adjunct part of the royal family. Her husband might well have thought, "cor, it's the fit bridesmaid off the telly". Which is not to say they don't love each other, it just changes the context of the introduction.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Billionaires, millionaires and royalty exist. They have to fall in love with someone.

I made the approach to my husband because we share a hobby. 17 years later, we don't do the hobby any more, we're together because we love each other, not because of why we met/were interested in the first place.

Rhaidimiddim · 22/01/2025 09:02

Igavebirthtoabanana · 22/01/2025 08:45

Meghan also chased Matt Cardle 🤣

Re: Invictus, Denmark is taking part and has a conscription.

Norway, Sweden and Finland all have conscription too. Just FYI.

And Rory McIlroy.
Edited to add: cross post

GreenTeaLikesMe · 22/01/2025 09:11

Given the way things are going, most countries will end up with some form of conscription before long - I think Sweden is already bringing it back. So I don't recommend getting too much on one's high horse about this. It's not pretty but the reality is that Europeans are going to have to sort out our own security more and more, with the Americans proving such unrealiable allies.

EdithWeston · 22/01/2025 09:17

Cublaca · 22/01/2025 08:26

Catherine already enjoyed a wealthy lifestyle thanks to her parents. Not BRF money, but enough for most people. She was moving in the right society circles, was pretty and smart. She was not going to marry a poor man no matter what, look at Pippa.

She probably struggled to find her identity in her twenties, but that is not uncommon. It is clear that her calling is to be a wife and mother, her career is to be a royal wife and she has been very succesful at both. William should be thanking his luck everyday because I feel it was the best thing has ever happened to him.

The only one said to have a plan to snare a british wealthy man was Meghan. Her so-called career was coming to an end. Suits was ending, and she was aging out of the hot chick roles. She was looking for a plan B and was lucky enough to find Harry.

Edited to delete!

Because I’d quoted a different post to the one I meant to, and what I said didn’t follow on from this one

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:18

Rhaidimiddim · 22/01/2025 09:02

And Rory McIlroy.
Edited to add: cross post

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They have conscriptions but conscripts don’t get send to combat zones. Conscripts are only in the army for 4-12 months, max 2 years. Only service personnel who have fully committed to the army AND who volunteer get sent on missions abroad.

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:19

GreenTeaLikesMe · 22/01/2025 09:11

Given the way things are going, most countries will end up with some form of conscription before long - I think Sweden is already bringing it back. So I don't recommend getting too much on one's high horse about this. It's not pretty but the reality is that Europeans are going to have to sort out our own security more and more, with the Americans proving such unrealiable allies.

That’s true but unless there’s an actual war, conscripts do not engage in combat.

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:21

CoffeeCantata · 22/01/2025 08:57

You do talk a lot of rubbish, which is your prerogative. But the tone of your posts seems to suggest you talk for other people.

You don't talk for me!

I’m genuinely interested in what you think the RF does for the common people if this country?

EdithWeston · 22/01/2025 09:21

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:19

That’s true but unless there’s an actual war, conscripts do not engage in combat.

Surely, unless there’s an actual war, no-one engages in combat?

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:25

CaraCameleon · 22/01/2025 09:00

Targeted campaign to get him? How do you know that for a fact? It’s tabloid speculation , nothing more. What a horrible comment.

It’s not tabloid speculation. Do you honestly believe that her doing the same gap year activities as him and then attending the same university is a coincidence?
regardless, of course she’s both beautiful and smart so I didn’t mean to say that it’s surprising William fell in love with her. Just that she placed herself in his line of vision on purpose, as countless other girls did at the time. The applications to st andrews went through the roof once he was enrolled.

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:28

EdithWeston · 22/01/2025 09:21

Surely, unless there’s an actual war, no-one engages in combat?

meant to say gets send on missions abroad full stop. British and European soldiers have been participating in missions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia and Libya, to name a few. Where else do you think the veterans come from? You’re only a veteran because you participated in a mission. And none of those veterans are conscripts.

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 09:29

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EdithWeston · 22/01/2025 09:30

FromTheOfficeOfTheCrowPeople · 22/01/2025 08:08

I don't know what sort of event you attended recently if you didn't know that members admitted to Invictus in 2022 included - with some fanfare - Israel and Colombia.

Also, Nigeria joined. Nigeria too has a form of national service aka conscription.

Israel's IDF team made its debut at the 2023 games in Düsseldorf.

Do you really think there aren't conflict zones within and around the borders of Israel, Colombia and Nigeria? That's certainly an interesting take on things.

(Trying again, with the post I meant to quote)

The Invictus Foundation does more than the Games.

But many (people only pay attention to the Games and possibly don’t even know there’s more. I think that’s a Harry factor, and without him Invictus would have a very hard time indeed,

Thd Games themselves only have a small number of participants. The rest of the programme has more interesting reach internationally, but the numbers are dwarfed by the numbers reached in the sports and activities provided by other veterans organisations

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:34

FromTheOfficeOfJammyTodger · 22/01/2025 00:21

After 4 years of going out, William and Catherine split up for a good nine months between 2007and 2008. I assume that if William had not wanted to risk being re-ensnared by the evil, common, mud blood, gold-digging Catherine, he'd have asked daddy to sort out an arranged marriage with some European royal totty post haste. After all, he was clearly helpless in the face of the onslaught of her undignified seduction techniques, those trips to the sultry sex den that is Waitrose and party bags full of rubber goods. Of course she overpowered the state too, there's nothing QEII, MI5, the men in grey, or the powerful fathers of any of the other much more suitable top class totty could do about the Catherine juggernaut. When he reportedly made a beeline for her at the party and begged her reconcile, she'd actually used a taser on him and had had him hypnotised. She waited another 4 years to get him to the alter for shits and giggles, such was her confidence that eventually she'd hit the jackpot and get the invitation to Christmas at Sandringham and a wardrobe full of weird hats.

didnt question whether William fell
in love w her, all evidence points to that he did, and why wouldn’t he, Kate is both beautiful and smart, on top
of this with a preference for a lavish lifestyle and no appetite for critical thinking, so perfect princess material.

all I meant was it seems there’s sufficient evidence that she made an effort to be around him so he’d notice her. Many young women who hoped the prince would notice them did the same.

look, most royals, men and women, marry someone who’s have been out of their league if they weren’t royals. That’s one of the perks.

EdithWeston · 22/01/2025 09:40

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:28

meant to say gets send on missions abroad full stop. British and European soldiers have been participating in missions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia and Libya, to name a few. Where else do you think the veterans come from? You’re only a veteran because you participated in a mission. And none of those veterans are conscripts.

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I would class all those places as war zones, and that we were there with various missions and roles

I do not equate all active operational areas with being sent to combat (ie fight, be at war). But even a missions, say Bosnia from the list you cite, which falls under the Wider Peacekeeping doctrine, involved some fighting by UN troops and produced casualties and some fatalities, was not a combat operation (and it would have been politically disastrous to have described it as such)

Im probably splitting a hair too far on what combat means

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:42

EdithWeston · 22/01/2025 09:30

(Trying again, with the post I meant to quote)

The Invictus Foundation does more than the Games.

But many (people only pay attention to the Games and possibly don’t even know there’s more. I think that’s a Harry factor, and without him Invictus would have a very hard time indeed,

Thd Games themselves only have a small number of participants. The rest of the programme has more interesting reach internationally, but the numbers are dwarfed by the numbers reached in the sports and activities provided by other veterans organisations

I don’t know the details of how the Colombian and Nigerian armies work re. Sending conscripts to engage in actual
missions or not. I know israel
does this, but then, the last thing I’d want is to support Israeli veterans.
for all European countries, conscripts do not engage in missions.
the event I attended didn’t have all countries present, it was an event for the national team of one of the countries and can’t say which one of course in order not to out myself.

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:44

EdithWeston · 22/01/2025 09:40

I would class all those places as war zones, and that we were there with various missions and roles

I do not equate all active operational areas with being sent to combat (ie fight, be at war). But even a missions, say Bosnia from the list you cite, which falls under the Wider Peacekeeping doctrine, involved some fighting by UN troops and produced casualties and some fatalities, was not a combat operation (and it would have been politically disastrous to have described it as such)

Im probably splitting a hair too far on what combat means

Yes like I said, my comment was imprecise, what I meant to say was participating in missions abroad. All of those missions were tough and that’s why veterans may have physical or mental scars such as PTSD. All I’m saying is nobody forced them to go if they’re British or from any European country

smilesy · 22/01/2025 09:47

EdithWeston · 22/01/2025 09:40

I would class all those places as war zones, and that we were there with various missions and roles

I do not equate all active operational areas with being sent to combat (ie fight, be at war). But even a missions, say Bosnia from the list you cite, which falls under the Wider Peacekeeping doctrine, involved some fighting by UN troops and produced casualties and some fatalities, was not a combat operation (and it would have been politically disastrous to have described it as such)

Im probably splitting a hair too far on what combat means

I agree with what you are trying to say @EdithWeston. Many of the conflicts named here involve our troops in peacekeeping roles, so not active warfare. Troops are often injured by IED’s which have been left behind after active warfare is suspended. But some posters don’t seem to think that it matters that our troops are trying to clear up after conflict in some cases. They joined the army and, you know, bullets 🙄

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 09:58

smilesy · 22/01/2025 09:47

I agree with what you are trying to say @EdithWeston. Many of the conflicts named here involve our troops in peacekeeping roles, so not active warfare. Troops are often injured by IED’s which have been left behind after active warfare is suspended. But some posters don’t seem to think that it matters that our troops are trying to clear up after conflict in some cases. They joined the army and, you know, bullets 🙄

I do think that on some cases such as the Balkans of course peacekeeping missions were/are a good thing. And we should be glad some people volunteer to do this. However the vast majority of recent
British engagement has been misjudged and imperialistic. What makes me feel sick is watching royals and other upper class people and civil servants expressing gratitude to the men and women they send into harms way, for their own political ambitions. Invictus is Sponsored by weapons manufacturers too. All the masters of war crying fake tears at the feet of the people they sent off to do their dirty work and afterwards they put medals on them.
I get that the games is trying to make it up to veterans, but at the same time they’re glorifying military service and I personally find that hard to stomach. But I understand if others see it in a more positive light.

Hughs · 22/01/2025 10:11

Kate is both beautiful and smart, on top
of this with a preference for a lavish lifestyle and no appetite for critical thinking, so perfect princess material

How do you know she has a preference for a lavish lifestyle and no appetite for critical thinking?

And how do you know when and why she decided to take a gap year and switch to St Andrews? Loads of people every year change their minds about their firm choice and either have to go through clearing or reapply with grades in hand. It's very normal, not such an incredibly weird thing to do that there can only be one explanation.

leftorrightnow · 22/01/2025 10:20

Hughs · 22/01/2025 10:11

Kate is both beautiful and smart, on top
of this with a preference for a lavish lifestyle and no appetite for critical thinking, so perfect princess material

How do you know she has a preference for a lavish lifestyle and no appetite for critical thinking?

And how do you know when and why she decided to take a gap year and switch to St Andrews? Loads of people every year change their minds about their firm choice and either have to go through clearing or reapply with grades in hand. It's very normal, not such an incredibly weird thing to do that there can only be one explanation.

of course I can’t know for sure and if you decide to see it like that, up to you.

if you marry a prince and decide to dedicate your life to upholding the monarchy, imo you aren’t a critical thinker. But again, I appreciate that’s just my view. You may think that the monarchy has a great tradition for critical thinking.

Kate was part of the glamour girls in the Chelsea area, all fancy cars and clothes and hanging out on the fanciest clubs. Of course, she may have genuinely disliked that lifestyle and just gone along with it against he will, she may have secretly been wanting to spend her time volunteering in a soup kitchen or doing activism for immigrants, but was prevented from
doing so.

pelargoniums · 22/01/2025 10:26

How do you know she has a preference for a lavish lifestyle and no appetite for critical thinking?
Uh, her life choices?

Hughs · 22/01/2025 10:38

Slightly mystified how you know so much about how she spent her time and what was important to her but hey ho.

So hundreds of not thousands of kids change their minds every year about their firm choice and have to reapply but Kate was DEFINITELY out to ensnare William, sure 😂

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