With Love, Meghan - criticisms and genuine concern for her mental health

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I am probably going to be flogged for posting this and chased down the dark laneways of Mumsnet as bystanders yell “Shame Shame Shame”.

I weighed in yesterday about a thread on Meghan and her new Netflix show. I made some criticisms about the trailer and certain cliche’s in the way it was produced. Hypocritical of me to be posting this but I feel guilty and have reflected. I am actually looking forward to watching it on Netflix and my criticisms were pretty minor and not exclusive to her show - it’s a common issue I have.

Meghan has struggled with mental health because of criticism. The reaction to ‘With Love… Meghan’ has been fairly brutal.

I think it would be really good if we refrained from saying anything negative about the series or Meghan Markle. That’s not the point of this thread.

I want to know if you think the criticisms have gone too far. The Princess of Wales is not on the scene and we are protective of her rightly so. That leaves Meghan as media fodder though.

Do you think it’s time Meghan and Harry were given a break ? I do. I think we’ve been far too harsh and the criticisms have gotten out of hand.

I think we also forget the cultural relevance. If we went into the homes or Gwyneth, Julia Roberts etc and I would probably feel the divide too. American culture doesn’t apologise for wealth and hollywoood is highly competitive.

Having a confident demeanour, throwing your head back Julia Roberts style when you laugh and unapologetically selling $$$ vagina products like Gwyneth Paltrow is how it over there. People talk loudly and confidently and are polished and rehearsed especially in the
Competitive world of Hollywood…

Are we all being too hard ?

@DollyTubb"do you think it might be something Meghan has done herself to destroy all that public goodwill?"
I'm not saying it isn't. My question was "is it possible to think that Meghan is sometimes treated unfairly and is subject to some seriously bizarre attacks without being an "avid supporter"?

Yes. It's like Brad and Jolie. Only a matter of time.

I guess you could say the same for William then, since his parents split too.

I don’t think she knows who she is. Her personality seems very chaotic to me. It’s as if her closet holds many masks and each day she chooses a different one but none of them properly fit. She can’t see the masks are wonky but we can. It reminds me of an older, glamorous lady I used to see around my town, she was beautifully made up but her wig was always off centre, bless her.

Because she didn’t listen to her advisers ? She ( and Harry ) think they know best as evidenced by some of their spectacular cockups !

Harry seems to escape criticism but he does exactly the same as her and worse. He wrote the book and he did the Oprah and Netflix interview too.

I sometime wonder if the reasons she doesn't listen to her PR people now is they got so badly advised by American PR people before the RF split.

However she didn't listen to advice offered about RF when in it so it does come across as hubris when it could just be lack of trust.

I do think she gets it worse than Harry - and frankly I do think that unfair as his behavior been appalling and tone deaf and is likely to to the evil woman trope that floats round the zeitgeist.

Evil woman trope of leading the good man astray.

I think a lot of the blame is his - he should have advised her better when in RF and explained the cultural difference much more.

Harry does get it the same as her, they are both equally unpopular, he is slightly ahead of her for no other reason than people still feel some sympathy for him because he lost his mother. His Polo series was seriously panned too.

I don’t disagree that Harry should have better prepared Meghan however the late Queen suggested Sophie would support her but Meghan refused as she did with other suggestions. It was also suggested she continue her acting career . No. It was suggested that she and Harry take a couple of years living quietly and only gradually carrying out Royal duties . No .
She was given a dossier of information but who knows if she even opened it .

The Sussexes don't want 'space'. They want Netflix super-ratings and huge Netflix viewing figures. That is not compatible with 'space', especially when their shows are about their own lives and hobbies. Viewers are supposed to be invested and interested in them as subjects of scrutiny. That's how Netflix documentaries produced by the subjects that they're about actually work.

No it’s you with the name calling “unhinged” you are prolific in your defensive posts on here so don’t try and turn it around, everyone has eyes and can read your posts and as for the mental comment directed to you from @Poppyseeds79 it was in response to you saying she was unhinged, if you can’t take it back don’t give it out in the first place.

How does it affect you how they choose to live their life? They may as well be in living in a different galaxy, it’s not worth this level of angst

How about you take your own advice? How does it affect you in anyway if posters don’t like Meghan, it really isn’t worth your level of angst.

She's not princess Meghan, anyway, she is the Princess Henry, Duchess of Sussex, whether Ellaelle meets her or nor (probably not!).

Did he ever want to advise her? Did he just want out himself, and couldn't be bothered to give her the grounding information that was available to them both all the time?

I know she turned down a lot of advice when she was part of the RF.

I think three different people and a folder were offered and she said she just needed Harry but I wonder if that because her world PR people were saying different stuff because frankly they didn't understand RF either and she went with people she knew from her background and Harry or as I said could just have been hubris.

Thing they've both played silly games with the press and got burned - they clearly don't want a quiet life and have thrown away many opportunities people work their wholes lives to get.

However for all her being a hypocritical slightly vacuous persona in our media trying to make money like many celebs TBH she generations a lot more negativity than most - and Harry gets much more leeway than she does.

I didn’t call anyone unhinged, I said the baby shower rant was unhinged, so get your facts right.

If you can’t get your facts straight, don’t give out.

How about you take your own advice? How does it affect you in anyway if posters don’t like Meghan, it really isn’t worth your level of angst.

Because bullying must always be called out.

Fuck knows - but I'd expect a spouse to have my back and teach me about their background expectations and culture.

I think it odd he's apparently so blind to most of it.

I've seen the members of the press pack say pre Meghan he really did seem a happy go lucky guy - and many of his ex friends have apparently commented that they don't recognise him now - which I find hard to credit as the he was desperate to get out narrative been pushed so hard I just assumed prior personality was entirely a palace PR concoction.

There so much swirling round them - but I just think their current position is where they've both put themselves but she gets so much more blame and I do think in media some of that good old fashioned misogyny.

@CurlewKate re "I'm not saying it isn't. My question was "is it possible to think that Meghan is sometimes treated unfairly and is subject to some seriously bizarre attacks without being an "avid supporter"?"

Yes I think it is - an eg which isn't the best but she wears a lot of neutral colours and wasn't supposed to whilst she was in the RF. If - she said she was made to - I think that is debatable but criticising her for wearing neutral colours I think is OTT. She suits them IMHO but also she likes them. This I think is criticism where little is due. Possibly - very very much so bad example - but inappropriate dress is one thing - wearing colours you like quite another . So sorry @CurlewKate - that isn't the best example but I don't she should be criticised for this. Much else - yes but not this .

Yeah I noticed you worded your personal attack very carefully, well done! but your true meaning was very clear. I totally agree with you, bullying should be called out, maybe you should contact Meghan on Instagram and call her out for bullying palace staff and for bullying yet more staff after she moved back to America? I’m sure she would love your input.

You are so right. Bullying must always be called out. Which is why Jason Knauf went to the Palace with his stories of Meghan bullying staff and why the Hollywood Reporter has called out her continued bullying in the States 😊

I have to say I do think the bullying allegations do paint Meghan in a very poor light and some of her behavior towards others in public is just plain rude there no other explanation.

However other people in media get away with similar antics - so I still don't think that explains all the vitriol she often inspires by doing anything in public eye.

I think this is bang on, as were South Park, she is indeed an empty vessel.

😂

If you are going to go into the minute details of who did and didn’t attend a baby shower of someone you don’t know and don’t like, than be prepared that people will think that’s odd.

Sounds like more stuff you’ve made up. No evidence as usual.

I suppose it depends on whether other people’s antics are coupled with a stated aim of being against bullying etc, like the Sussexes stated aim of stamping out bullying on social media 🤷‍♀️

Ah Hollywood Reporter, that revered newspaper 🤣

Hollywood Reporter is a gossip rag. Is that the best you could do?