With Love, Meghan - criticisms and genuine concern for her mental health

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I am probably going to be flogged for posting this and chased down the dark laneways of Mumsnet as bystanders yell “Shame Shame Shame”.

I weighed in yesterday about a thread on Meghan and her new Netflix show. I made some criticisms about the trailer and certain cliche’s in the way it was produced. Hypocritical of me to be posting this but I feel guilty and have reflected. I am actually looking forward to watching it on Netflix and my criticisms were pretty minor and not exclusive to her show - it’s a common issue I have.

Meghan has struggled with mental health because of criticism. The reaction to ‘With Love… Meghan’ has been fairly brutal.

I think it would be really good if we refrained from saying anything negative about the series or Meghan Markle. That’s not the point of this thread.

I want to know if you think the criticisms have gone too far. The Princess of Wales is not on the scene and we are protective of her rightly so. That leaves Meghan as media fodder though.

Do you think it’s time Meghan and Harry were given a break ? I do. I think we’ve been far too harsh and the criticisms have gotten out of hand.

I think we also forget the cultural relevance. If we went into the homes or Gwyneth, Julia Roberts etc and I would probably feel the divide too. American culture doesn’t apologise for wealth and hollywoood is highly competitive.

Having a confident demeanour, throwing your head back Julia Roberts style when you laugh and unapologetically selling $$$ vagina products like Gwyneth Paltrow is how it over there. People talk loudly and confidently and are polished and rehearsed especially in the
Competitive world of Hollywood…

Are we all being too hard ?

She has been rebuked by a judge in the high court for misleading testimony. Serious. And whatever else, the Hollywood Reporter has 12 people on record to say she is a bully. And has defended this. Those two things alone would normally be a public death knell.

Agree.

And they would still have been accused of stealing someone's name aa charlotte is Charlotte Elizabeth Diana
So Lillibet would be Elizabeth Diana
But they can ,t win someone will take offence.

Three of the Queens own children had a royal wedding as did Eugenie ,if they can have one why can't H&M?

What, wait, H&M didn't have a spectacular, celebrity, royal wedding costing £30m, with choirs and Archbishop and George Clooney? OMG.

ETA Meghan and Harry had the wedding they wanted - big, splashy, public. They would never, or at least Meghan would never, have wanted it any other way. Harry may have been happier with something more intimate and private, but what Meghan wants, Meghan gets.

No, he wasn't. He was, however, somewhat forthright, and tended to make what we now consider 'racist' jokes. And even he was a racist, that is no excuse for abusing him when he lay dying.

So telling British students if they stayed in China for much longer they might end up slitty eyed, was just forthright and not racist then,?
And how did they abuse him when he was dying ?

And William and Katea wedding was just a simple affair was it ?

They did.

It got shat on though didn't it, when Meghan called it a spectacle for the people and inferred all she really wanted was a quiet wedding with only the two of them in the back garden. She was a trooper though and endured the spectacle with a smirk smile on her face.

She’s shown herself to be a very ungrateful type of person on several occasions, despite the privileges she’s been afforded solely thanks to her association with the RF. She reminds me of Veruca Salt.

If your very frail and elderly grandfather (a product of his time and prone to making embarrassing comments) was on his deathbeath would you go on TV with an audience of millions and accuse his beloved family of racism?

Or if you weren't on TV and a normal person would you go round publicly denouncing your dying grandfather's family to as many people as possible while your grandmother was about to be widowed?

If that sounds fine by you then that explains your approach. Bit weird though, no?

Who the hell is Katea?

William is going to be a public figure and King. Harry didn't have to have that sort of wedding unless he wanted it. Meghan had to have it in order to invite Oprah and other people who she wasn't friends with. A small wedding would have made that a bit more noticeably awks.

I don't understand your point here. You stated 'Three of the Queens own children had a royal wedding as did Eugenie ,if they can have one why can't H&M?'

You made it sound as if Harry and Meghan were somehow denied a big splashy wedding. They weren't.

One of the benefits of being the 'spare' is you can choose a more private life. If that's what you want. Obviously if you want the limelight it isn't such a good position to be in. But then, don't claim you want privacy if you want the attention.

x2boys · Today 09:32
So telling British students if they stayed in China for much longer they might end up slitty eyed, was just forthright and not racist then,?
And how did they abuse him when he was dying ?

He was a much more complex and nuanced character than you imply. Do some research before passing simplistic judgements.

For one thing, he was always a champion of indigenous peoples across the world and, if anything, he thought Western consumerist societies were the crazy ones and admired tribal people very much.

I'm pointing out they has a big flashy wedding like other royals so why are you only bashing them for it and not others ?

What do you mean, you 'don't get that'?

Do you not know who Emma, Marchioness of Bath is, then? I suggest you Google her. Quite a woman.

That may have Been so but he was still a racist.

So you've confirmed it yes she is a princess? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, you said she is, but she isn't? Lol

If you like titles...the only way to use them is correctly - otherwise they're a joke.

Meghan is Princess Henry, Duchess of Sussex - officially, that is. To me personally she's Meghan Markle and always will be.

She's not 'Duchess Meghan' as some American sites call her, and she's not 'Princess Meghan'.

I like precise definitions before I stick a label on someone - but please don't trouble, because I don't like labelling people - it's reductionist and simple-minded.

So do you still call the princess of wales. Kate Middleton?.

I guess the Catherine and Meghan issue is that the Royal family is unwittingly racist and mysoginistic even if not intended to be.

Meghan has the same qualifications as Kate and did the exact same job, gained the exact same publicity almost as Kate yet was paid less.

Meghan had the same fame as Kate and qualifications yet stood behind her, on balconies. It must have stung a bit to empower herself as a woman and succeed as. woman of only to end and end up standing behind a white woman on a balcony that does the exact same job sans title.

Your Job description as a princess is to talk very little, look good and not have opinions and defer to the status of your husband.

I think that the reality of that plus what happens behind closed doors and the crap being said would be really hard. It would be hard to not be jealous - especially if you were getting negative press and taking bullets so that a privileged white woman could be protected and her husband and her remain in control of billions and elevated in the spotlight, while you get told where you can live/go/give up your freedom & precious success and fame that didn’t have restrictions.

its all prettt bonkers when you think about it how much the royal family differs from a society that is meant to champion equal rights and pay and freedoms.

No criticism of Kate at all - though she and William are a protected species by the royal family and top of the pecking order. I think it would be tiring deferring to people that may not necessarily repay the favour.

Certainly not. She's still a working member of the RF, married to the PoW and lined up to be Queen one day.

A totally different situation - Meghan has left the RF for good and is clinging on by her fingernails to any vestige of it that she can manage to grasp. But it's fading very fast - and who will she be then?

Because they had the flashy wedding and then complained about having the big flashy wedding, saying it was only to please the plebs and their 'real' wedding was the two of them and an archbishop.

I don't think any of the others who had a big flashy wedding have complained about it.

Still don't get it, are you trying to say in your own maladroit way that she's copying the marchioness Emma? Because if that's what you're getting at I don't see it myself.

Meghan had the same fame as Kate and qualifications yet stood behind her, on balconies. It must have stung a bit to empower herself as a woman and succeed as. woman of only to end and end up standing behind a white woman on a balcony that does the exact same job sans title.

Oh I think Meghan has relied on men and the patriarchy very much indeed to get where she is today.

Daddy's job and entree into the world of film/TV.
Uncle got her the much-vaunted 'internship' in Argentina
Corey and her other previous partner all helped Meghan to climb another rung up the ladder.
And finally, the Prize of Prizes: Prince Harry, the dim, damaged prince she carefully manoeuvered for and caught.

Well done, feminist Meghan!