With Love, Meghan - criticisms and genuine concern for her mental health

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I am probably going to be flogged for posting this and chased down the dark laneways of Mumsnet as bystanders yell “Shame Shame Shame”.

I weighed in yesterday about a thread on Meghan and her new Netflix show. I made some criticisms about the trailer and certain cliche’s in the way it was produced. Hypocritical of me to be posting this but I feel guilty and have reflected. I am actually looking forward to watching it on Netflix and my criticisms were pretty minor and not exclusive to her show - it’s a common issue I have.

Meghan has struggled with mental health because of criticism. The reaction to ‘With Love… Meghan’ has been fairly brutal.

I think it would be really good if we refrained from saying anything negative about the series or Meghan Markle. That’s not the point of this thread.

I want to know if you think the criticisms have gone too far. The Princess of Wales is not on the scene and we are protective of her rightly so. That leaves Meghan as media fodder though.

Do you think it’s time Meghan and Harry were given a break ? I do. I think we’ve been far too harsh and the criticisms have gotten out of hand.

I think we also forget the cultural relevance. If we went into the homes or Gwyneth, Julia Roberts etc and I would probably feel the divide too. American culture doesn’t apologise for wealth and hollywoood is highly competitive.

Having a confident demeanour, throwing your head back Julia Roberts style when you laugh and unapologetically selling $$$ vagina products like Gwyneth Paltrow is how it over there. People talk loudly and confidently and are polished and rehearsed especially in the
Competitive world of Hollywood…

Are we all being too hard ?

As far as anyone is concerned in the UK she has birthed the next king. What people do now is goad and bully her when she goes silent. It's American's who have shown a big interest in her and turned her into a celebrity. They love to compare and gossip.

Awwww don't be upset, I'm not deliberately being "unpleasant" to princess Meghan, I really like her! x

Huh? I didn't get that but OK:)

I’ll never understand why so many people who loathe her are so invested in her life. The only thing I see about her is on MN. I can go for months and months hearing nothing about her, because I read grownup news sources not frothing daily mail pap. But people who can’t stand her actively pursue information about her. Why? What could possibly be pleasurable about it?

The nation, in fact the world saw the wedding! She is, mossey on down to Wikipedia it will really enlighten you

What are you not understanding? The LEGAL wedding took place on Saturday. They class their wedding when they did personal, private vows as per a previous post like many other people on the planet. Still with us?!

Pretty sure they wouldn’t have been allowed not to. The world wanted a spectacle.

So you've confirmed it yes she is a princess? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, you said she is, but she isn't? Lol

The Archbishop of Canterbury said he did the legal wedding on Saturday. He refuses to discuss what happened prior to that. Like it’s been pointed out, plenty of people have non legal binding ceremonies that they choose to celebrate as their actual wedding. He’s telling the truth, and it seems so are they. You don’t want to believe them, which is the problem here.

Does anyone remember how they basically forcibly stole the name Lillibet, even though the palace came out and said they hadn’t agreed to it.

Notice how Meghan didn’t name the kid after her own grandmother. Why do we think that might be.

Well since you're being so pedantic, perhaps you should worry about your correct use of English 😆, instead of princess Meghan and her titles

Nobody owns a name aa mumsnet is so fond of saying not even the late Queen ,rheu csn name their daughter whatever they want.

@Almn0etd agree to a name? Wtaf?

Yeah so normal to name you kid after the head of the family you have trashed in the media and implied is racist.

So normal. And nothing to with the royal connection. Nothing at all.

I really appreciate a lot of your points and your thoughtful post. We’ll have to agree to disagree on some points though and it’s probably best to leave it there.

There are a lot of name changes on this board and sometimes even spurious posters. Thankfully, MNHQ are on it now and although some must surely slip through the net. There is an organised network that is busy out there that is busy working on behalf of Meghan. It makes it difficult sometimes.

Likewise, the more ardent supporters have their bingo card too, and often try their best to derail. Of course they also try to throw Andrew in there as an argument and that’s the one thing that most of us are united on!

As for the racist comment and post. It was racism and it was unnecessary. It has now been deleted so MNHQ obviously agree. That’s the end of the matter.

Pray do tell how do you forcibly steal a name? I'm genuinely interested, some of you guys really intrigue me with what you find very upsetting about princess Meghan

I don't think I will watch this, unless for the co medy value. I have no wish to learn how to put flowers in ice cubes...surely you end up with a soggy flower floating about in your drink!
One big issue I have with Harry and Meghan is their hypocrisy over climate change, lecturing us not to fly when they use private jets all the time.
I am also surprised they are so involved with Netflix, these streaming services must be so bad for the planet as they are constantly 'on', using power. (I do have Netflix BTW, so not lecturing anyone...)

He never trashed his Grandmother, and yes its normal for people to give their children family names,people do it all the.time what is not normal is for complete strangers to somehow find this offensive.

They would if you actually bothered to read them. You just dismiss them out of hand, because you hate Meghan and Harry, two people you don't even know.

Meghan has two overriding issues, her belief in her own specialness and her all consuming jealousy of Catherine.

If they had said that the time in the garden with ABC exchanging some words meaningful to them was the time they actually felt themselves married, I don't think anyone would have had an issue. But Meghan gleefully announced no-one knows, but we were actually married 3 days earlier - it sounded so juvenile, so 'yaya, we pulled one over on the great unwashed with our £30m wedding which wasn't even a wedding' cos we were already married '

If they hadn't wanted a big public spectacle I'm pretty sure they could have had a small, quiet, intimate wedding. But they didn't want that - they actually wanted Westminster Abbey but were told no.

Read this elsewhere yesterday:

"Today I scroll on X and every comment in support of MM is saying the negativity is because of racism. We are all racist against a black/biracial woman. Like all the responses were using the same argument over a 24hr period. So what will they all try to counter with tomorrow?"

I think the Queen would have been perfectly happy if they'd had a quiet wedding. I think 'the world' probably wouldn't have much cared either way. To suggest H&M had a large, televised, expensive, celebrity style wedding for anyone other than themselves is perhaps naive. What Meghan wants, Meghan gets, remember.

I don’t really care that they had a big spectacle wedding but had a private, personal vows exchange or whatever beforehand. The (tenuous, shaky) point of the royal family is bread and circuses: they provide the pomp and showbiz and gowns and gossip to keep us peasants chattering away and entertained. I’d rather we didn’t have a royal family but since we do, the least they owe me in exchange for their vast wealth is to put on the pizzazz.

I was entertained! I enjoyed the show (the wedding, though I also enjoyed the Harry and Meghan documentary); I LOVED her evening gown for the party, the glamour of Harry driving her off in that open-top car; it was wonderful seeing some melatonin in the official wedding portrait; highly entertaining seeing Oprah and Clooney and other randoms showing up.

Frankly if the job is bread and circuses, even after they’ve left, Harry and Meghan are more than delivering versus what they cost: they generate so much gossip. Their clicks probably fund a small economy and keep tabloid journalism afloat; they’ve more than paid back the wedding and Frogmore for what they generate in economy-boosting sales of clothes and jewellery Meghan has worn, magazine covers, advertising revenue-generating page views, site traffic, small business boosts (e.g. Violet Bakery who made their wedding cake), etc.

Absolutely, but surely Elizabeth would have been more appropriate and then use the moniker in private as was the case for the person they were naming their daughter after.