H and M - an American dynasty as an offshoot from the British Royal Family

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Thinking long term about H and Me lives and their children's lives where is the funding going to come from and is there a serious risk of the funding drying up? I especially think of the children who I would expect would go to a private US school and ultimately will be US citizens perhaps pursuing US jobs. There is huge competition for celebrity status in the US and no nobility as such so how do they for in? Does the link to the RF quickly become an irrelevance ?

@MagdaLenor I don't need you to tell me whether I need to report something or not.

Good grief . I was giving an example of when posters have been nasty about a Royal child .
There are no such comments about the Sussex children .

That's a bit contradictory, because if there were nasty comments - particularly about children, it would make sense to report and get them deleted, I would imagine.

Unlike someone like Andrew who knows what cutlery and forms of address to use, but does not seem to have been taught that lying to the public on TV and allegedly raping a sex trafficked teenager, is not okay.

Andrew is his own person and responsible for himself. Perhaps the Queen did him a disservice giving him a title. Perhaps he too would have had a happier life in obscurity. It's a shame H and M didn't learn from him instead of insisting their kids must be prince and princess too despite the fact they will never be near the throne.

I think it was inevitable that all ER II's DC would be Prince or Princess.

Andrew became the Duke of York as a wedding present. I think that was necessary, because without giving him a title, Fergie would have become Princess Andrew. And I don't think that would have been acceptable at all.

All royal Princes who did not already have a further title (like the Prince of Wales or the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent) have been given one on marriage, ans I've always assumed it's so their wives aren't known by Princess HusbandsName

You are seriously holding Andrew up as someone who others can learn from!!
JFC

Well, in a negative sense clearly?

You clearly said Harry and Meghan could have learned to do what Andrew did.

It's a shame H and M didn't learn from him instead of insisting their kids must be prince and princess too despite the fact they will never be near the throne

This is "learn from him" and do differently

Not emulate him and do the same ("same" here = giving DC the royal styles and titles)

I think the poster means emulate the Edinburghs. Because you've learned from the awful warning that is the dreadful Andrew

Well, in the sense that the Queen should have left him to a quiet life and not given him titles? Ie Harry and Meghan should not give their kids titles as it went very wrong for Andrew as he wasn't going to be on the throne?

Andrew being an example of what not to do?

I'm not sure I can be much clearer but come back to me if you need me to clarify or go through what I said.again.

The money you keep going on about that wills won't be giving harry where has that come from?

I agree.

We've never seen a royal on their uppers yet and it's not going to start with Harold.

the rumour is they are being homeschooled

I've seen rumours Archie is at a ruinously expensive private school.

I think that's way more likely than either of them buying second-hand books of sums and spellings.

The Queen should have set up Harry and Meghan to be the new Edward and Sophie. An earl title and an expectation that the DC would only be lady and lord. Edward was the monarch's son but spent 20 years as an earl. This would have clearly differentiated H and M from William's level and been a strong message about family hierarchy. There was a direct precedent so would not have been 'racism'.

That was never Meghans plan..she had a few scores to settle in Hollywood and turning up with a Prince meant that no longer would she be ignored while watching the tennis.

I think it will be hard for Harry. On the one hand, he absolutely wants to keep the children away from the press - at the moment.

Personally I think MM feels differently and would be merchandising the children more actively if she had her way.

But they've both chosen to style them as Prince and Princess, which definitely doesn't go hand in hand with wanting a discreet, private life for them in the future.

Also as much as he would not want to admit it, I think Harry will really struggle with the disparity when George, Charlotte and Louis are teenagers and getting lots of public interest and press attention, and his kids are largely irrelevant- unless he and Meghan actively seek to make them celebrity children, which would be a total contradiction from his stated position thus far.

I think a lot of the 'keeping the children private' thing is, as so often with Harry, all about his one sided war with William.

Remember when 'Spare' was published and he said something about how he was worried about the Wales children being raised in the public eye? So in his mind, he kind of has to keep his children private to show that he's doing parenting better than his brother.

I also agree that Harry will find it hard as the Wales children grow up and become 'stars'. In fact I think it already bothers him to see them at royal events, although as you say he'd never dream of admitting it. If he were still a working royal, Archie and Lili would be there waving from the balcony at Tropping, and 'privacy' wouldn't be an issue.

As the children get older they could reasonably say it was their own choice to waive privacy at some point, should that be the case.

Personally I think he thinks he’ll get at his family by not releasing any photos or allowing them to visit. It’s pure spite in my opinion.

This thread raises an interesting question about perceptions of royalty in the modern age. It’s not only nature (bloodline and parentage) that makes someone royal in the eyes of the British public but also nurture (practical experience and environment: how you were raised, where, the people you spend time with).

Could a person with royal parentage but no practical experience of, or active relationships with, the royal family be seen by the people as British royalty?

The answer is no.

Royal tours are set up between governments and the Royals attend as heads of state representing the Country and Government. H&Ms tours are not just a challenge to the royal family, they are a challenge to the UK government. Traitorous. And for that reason they should have their titles and place in the line of succession removed.

I've seen rumours Archie is at a ruinously expensive private school.
I think that's way more likely than either of them buying second-hand books of sums and spellings.

Elite homeschooling is not about buying secondhand study books! Wealthy people pay for private tutors. Apparently it's not uncommon in Russia.

I agree that they will probably go to local private schools though. Which is fortunate, as they could potentially end up very isolated otherwise.

I can't imagine why the kids would end up back in the UK, and if H and M were to divorce, the Hague Convention would surely prohibit Harry taking them back to the UK in the unlikely event that he'd want to return. I have no doubt that the Markle offshoot will just trickle on, being minor American celebs who have the royal connection as a mild point of interest. I agree interest will fade over time unless one of them does something spectacular.

One thing that occurs to me: if they had continued to live in the UK, wouldn't the tax issue have become a problem in time for the kids? A lot of their UK wealth would potentially have ended up in the hands of the US tax collecting authorities, because they have American citizenship through their mother. I know Boris found this a problem, and ended up getting rid of his US citizenship when it became clear that even his fancy tax lawyers were not going to be able to find a workaround. Since the Markle lot will almost certainly continue in the US long term anyway, I guess this won't be an issue now!

Do the Windsors have some kind of birthmark that runs in the family? If so, even 2 kids raised in California who have the royal birthmark qualify as royal 😁. I'm hoping that Lili decides to become a dentist, and Archie a mechanic. Both good jobs that will continue to exist in the future.

Personally I think he thinks he’ll get at his family by not releasing any photos or allowing them to visit. It’s pure spite in my opinion.

I think it’s also aimed at the press. I think the Wales dealt with this slightly better though. They struck a good balance with a few staged photos in exchange for privacy the rest of the year. Didn’t create an obvious lack of photos.

It may be that the 2 children will benefit from an excellent education in the US and decide on career paths that have nothing to do with their heritage or titles. It may be that there is an alternative to the nepotistic lifestyle followed by the Beckam's family. We know very little about their upbringing or schooling (as it should be imo) but there could be a very positive outcome - H&M obviously love their children and will want what's best for them which may prove to be sidelining the titles and getting decent jobs.