H and M - an American dynasty as an offshoot from the British Royal Family

[mids2019]

Thinking long term about H and Me lives and their children's lives where is the funding going to come from and is there a serious risk of the funding drying up? I especially think of the children who I would expect would go to a private US school and ultimately will be US citizens perhaps pursuing US jobs. There is huge competition for celebrity status in the US and no nobility as such so how do they for in? Does the link to the RF quickly become an irrelevance ?

Since neither of their parents work or appear to have any work ethic, and neither of their parents are interested in culture or history, I wonder if they will be encouraged to have proper careers or work at school. The titles are already obviously hugely important to H and M. They won’t mean anything in the US though.

I agree but I think it's a shame that many on here don't see rewarding careers as even an option for these innocents.

It may be that the 2 children will benefit from an excellent education in the US and decide on career paths that have nothing to do with their heritage or titles.

Their career paths will likely be opened to them by an education that is made accessible to the by their heritage.

What do you mean by that? Their heritage isn’t going g to make an ounce of difference in a school in the US.

They are privileged children who will mix in privileged circles. They will get well paid jobs through nepotism. H&M will spend a significant portion of their wealth on expensive living but their children will still inherit the then equivalent of a good few million, and marry more wealth from their privileged circles. Their own children’s wealth and privilege will be as much owing to their non-royal parent as to Archie or Lilibet’s inheritance and will follow the path of hundreds of thousands of privileged American children.

The only likely reasons why they might fall off this path are drugs, ill health, or rebellion against it in some form.

Of course it does. You don’t get into elite private schools unless your parents have very well paying jobs (they don’t), successful businesses (they don’t), or inherited a lot of money. Even if they go to a Public schools, these are funded by their district so those in districts made up of multi-millionaires are an awful lot better than those relying on funding from very poor/destitute parents. A better school gives you more options for your next stage.

And then there are legacy schemes at Ivy League colleges.

So maybe the kids move back to the UK?

Why "back to" the UK, @mids2019, when Archie was never in it for any significant length of time and Lilibet not at all?

Fundamentally they're American children, becoming used to American ways which are basically all they've known ... they'll even sound American now.
Add to that the likely lessons their parents are teaching them about the awfulness of the UK and I'm not sure they'd even want to come

Meghan and Harry will tell then as they grow up their own 'truth' and it will be a long while, if ever before they begin to wonder if there is more too it all. We may see some spectacular rebellion from 15 year old Prince Archie, but I doubt it.

They will be kept away from the plebs, allowed to mix only with other privileged children and have their family explained away as being "so mean to Mummy"

Exactly, Flixon

The only variation I can see to that is if Harry returned to the UK alone and wanted to move his children here - in which case god help him, because if that happened and their mother agreed to it I'd be amazed

Well.. Meghan and Harry haven’t got well paid jobs through nepotism have they? Essentially their children will have to have some talents at the end of the day.

Well.. Meghan and Harry haven’t got well paid jobs through nepotism have they?

Oh they definitely did, seeing as they had absolutely no experience producing tv shows, podcasts, writing books and working as Chief Impact Officers before they left the UK. The fact that they ‘ done terribly well at translating those opportunities into a long-term earning streams reflects on their talent (or lack of it) not their opportunities.

Yes, I don’t really see those things as a job really.

Someone is paying them. And its not the taxpayers. So I am happy.

I presume you don’t subscribe to Netflix?

Subscribing to Netflix is a choice. Paying tax is not.

I know but you might still be annoyed to be a subscriber and the thought of what better content you could have had for your money.

@Solanumdulcamara I have better things to be annoyed at.

In my experience, very few Americans migrate from the US to the UK; it's an unusual choice.

(And to be honest, the numbers of Brits who migrate from the UK to the US are not that high either, considering we speak the same language; the UK and US are culturally very different countries, as the Meghan Markle debacle illlustrates in so many ways. British people looking for a bigger, sunnier and richer country usually choose Australia IME, as we are culturally far more similar to Oz.)

I would be extremely surprised if they migrated to the UK. And Harry would face great difficulties if he ever tried to move them to the UK as minors, due to the Hague Convention. I think it needs to be more widely understood that if you move overseas with someone and have children with them, you may be faced with a choice of, you either stick with the marriage no matter what, stay trapped in a country you may not have chosen to be with your kids, or lose your children. That said, Harry probably prefers California anyway, so most likely has no particular desire to move back. He's quite Californian by personality, I'd say; likes a "big" lifestyle and creature comforts, and is prone to therapy-speak and taking himself just a bit too seriously. I bet he'll have a vocal fry a few years from now; he already seems to be picking up the accent.

It will be interesting to see how much H and M will want their children to have a high public profile. Yes they will be very wealthy but fame and public influence is different. If you are going to maintain titles in the U.S. their only purpose will be to enhance some kind of profile (or they will be quietly made redundant as form a of address).

I wonder if H and M have considered their children not being famous and whether there may be resentment from the children at some point of not having the profile as a minor celeb or state governor while holding titles of prince and princess?.I wonder if the children may even abandon their titles due to a lack of use?

Maybe the children will turn out to be very sensible, hard working and down to earth people. Somehow I doubt I thought.

That really is not a very nice comment. You are already writing the children off, saying they won't be sensible, hard working or down to earth... they are only very little, how mean.
Imagine if someone said anything remotely like that about the Wales children.

I hope people leave the children alone and let them grow up and make their lives at their own pace.

I agree and posted upthread that they might grow up to have proper careers and not be nepo babies. I'm in the grey zone re H&M (I find their antics amusing but am definitely a fence sitter) but can't understand how posters can make such negative posts about 2 innocent little children!

I do think the level of privacy is going to back fire on the prospect of the normalish life. As it's not maintainable as shown by the surfing photo of Archie and is creating a big aura around them, just as the titles have done. Realistically if Harry wanted a life for them different to that of a prince/princess then why go down the title route. The children's titles just as the use of their own titles is for monetary value, it will depend if they have the opportunity to have the decision or will they already be in the media spotlight before adulthood.

The titles are barely thought about except by those incensed that they have them. The surf photo showed half of his face, big deal!
I cannot understand any criticism for keeping your children private... it's not 'creating an aura around them', it's protecting them.
I get some people are desperate to see the children... all for the wrong reasons unfortunately.

The same protection that was offered to Williams children in spare, the same protection that is offered to children often used as photo ops for PR, preferably children of colour and small enough to be carried as a handbag. The hypocrisy of it all, of course titles make a difference it caused Oprah to believe the late queen was such a bigot she refused to give them to the children because of skin colour. You said yourself people are "desperate" so it has created demand.