Do you think as Camilla as the queen ?

[Rainbow321]

Hear me out , I have no problem with Camilla and never thought I would never see her as ( way back when ) as Charles wife when they married , my opinion,was they married and can rightly call herself as Duchess.
However , what I don't understand that when Queen Elizabeth was alive , her husband , Prince Phillip was always known as just that and never seen / addressed as King . Why is Camilla our queen when Phillip was never our king ? I'm confused .

Yes because she is.

She is known as Queen Camilla and the Queen. Same as all queens have been, whether regnant or consort.

Same as President Biden and the President. Nobody is known exclusively by one version of their name and title that I can think of. News reports wouldn't flow well for a start if only one version was allowed.

@DappledThings Ok that's interesting, I don't think I've heard her called Queen Camilla yet in the news though, seems to be always "the queen".

She is known as Queen Camilla but it would be impractical, and sound very clunky, to always refer to her as such. In normal speech, or writing, there are lots of times when a Queen would quite naturally be described as 'the queen' rather than by name.

If you google BBC Queen Camilla it takes to to their page about her. First headline says Queen, second one says Queen Camilla.

First two paragraphs of first story are:
The Queen will miss Remembrance events this weekend while she recovers from a chest infection, Buckingham Palace has said.

A statement said Queen Camilla was "following doctors’ guidance to ensure a full recovery from a seasonal chest infection, and to protect others from any potential risk".
so using both versions in the same story right after each other.

Surprised people are still unsure about this given the huge number of threads on it.
Camilla is the Queen consort. She's known as the Queen in everyday speech because every other Queen consort has been known as the Queen. Philip was not the King because King outranks Queen and Elizabeth was Regent.

She quite simply is the Queen and she's one of many Queens whose relationship with the King overlapped the time he was married to another woman. But in the old days the previous Queen was either set aside or executed.

I think it's also nudging us to different expectations because a "slimmed down" monarchy means there will be fewer of them to go round to the ribbon cuttings etc.

So there will ne a new balance between "being seen to be believed" and projects designed to have a bigger impact

It will be very interesting to see what William does when he ascends the throne, I do think we will see a big change, whether that is a good thing or not time will tell, I have been wondering what will happen to the King’s Trust when Charles dies, William did not want to take it on, would William want George to take it? he is likely to still only be a young adult when this occurs and won’t have the life experience to head it.

Catherine isn’t planning to do anything much. Cancer or not, it’s all ‘spending time with the family’ .

Sad because the role can deliver so much good if someone wants to do it.

I think it was pretty clear that she was term-time only working whilst the DC we’re very young (Louis is still KS1 isn’t he?)

Something many of us do, if we can.

She's not the queen - she is some random bird the king picked up.

No, I don't think of Camilla as The Queen.

In the same theme, when King Charles is mention I usually picture a spaniel.

The Queen gave Philip Prince because Charles born a Prince effectively outranked his Dad.
Now I might have picked that up from The Crown but I'm sure I goggled and found something that tied back to the same thing. 6 yo Prince Charles was more senior than DoE

Op I know exactly what you mean when people say Queen has chest infection my initial thoughts was "Eh she's dead" before I thought about it a second or two later.

Just the same as Prince of Wales, isn't really William in my head.
I can't really get used to Charles as King either but their isn't a previous King.

I guess it's the joys of them being known by the positions they hold for a time rather than their actual names

Yes I do. Not that it affects my life either way.

She's married to the king, she is the queen. Just like Charles is the king because he was the first born son of the previous monarch.

We don't get a say, that's the point.

De-rail coming up. Chide me if you will. I also see from last night's TV that whether I think of her as the queen or not, she seems to be appreciated by the various people who belong to organisations that work with the victims of domestic violence.

She does a lot of really important work.

Not related to this thread particularly but as a Republican, I always stare in disbelief when people write almost triumphantly that “we don’t get a say”. And present that as something we should be happy about!

I watched that documentary last night. She clearly cares deeply about the cause. I was impressed.

No I don't. If I see a mention of the Queen I just think of Elizabeth II

While I didn't see it, I have no doubt she cares deeply about the things she has chosen to support.

I think for a lot of people actually getting used to the promotion, job change, title changes is the weird part.

Oh absolutely! I'm a republican too (although I do find them very interesting and have some sympathy for some of the individuals).

The whole "Camilla isn't good enough to be queen", "Harry should be removed from the line of succession" stuff cracks me up - we don't get a choice, literally the only requirement for the job is accident of birth or marriage to someone who has their position by accident of birth.

Camilla has the marriage certificate, that's literally the only requirement to be queen.

Apologies BarbaraHoward

My mistake for misinterpreting your post!

We are in complete agreement; even down to having some sympathy for the individuals involved!