Harry and Meghans children

[Willowgirls]

I keep reading that Archie and lilibet are not real.
Photos are of other peoples children.
But surely the press would know the truth.
I'm sure they will have seen them being taken to school/nursery
even if they didn't take pictures or is it just the nanny taking them.
That was one of the arguments of leaving they would never be able to
take them to school yet William and Catherine can do school drop off
with no publicity unless they announce it. (First day of term)

@EffortlesslyInelegant
I apologise my reply at 19.54pm has been deleted.

Oh yawn. I was delighted today to see a conspiracy theorist convicted in court. May there be many more.

lots of wee things over time but there goes:

possible moon bump, Canada IVF (commented in media then retracted) weirdness around birth certificates, meghans OB dr after lillibet vanishing from the earth, likeness to influencers kids (stassi something and another for archie (google, can’t be arsed to post links, harry pushing an empty pram to photographers, possible creepy life like doll used for archie pics ( gossip sites posted comparisons), photos released being old/not current, blurred, black n white, or back of head; royals not actually met the kids, no proof of kids present or even in the country for coronation bday garden party or whatever it was, no sign of actual children at things media invited to (christening party guests arriving to empty house etc).

court cases have been had in UK re. IVF for title succession with lower royals in the past and to receive title a child ‘born of the body’. RF have gone along with cover up but now relations have soured h&m are extorting them

This could all just be to kelp identities out of media as much as possible and not that they aren’t real but they aren’t seeming to quell the rumours anytime soon…which could easy be done.

makes for interesting reading down reddit rabbit holes at 2 am 😁

I thought threads like this were discouraged on Mumsnet.

There are lots of horrible conspiracy theories elsewhere on the internet.

The mess around the birth certificate - odd for a significant document for a child in line to the throne to have to be changed.

Ironically with that Archie was the first of Charles' grandson to have his mother's title properly on the birth cert.

If you look at William and Harry's certs Diana is HRH The Princess of Wales.

Catherine should have been HRH The Duchess of Cambridge on her children's. The addition of Catherine Elizabeth before her title is the style of a divorced woman, not a married one.

The palace is to blame though, they started the messing with titles in the run up to William's wedding when they were adamant that Catherine marrying William didn't make her a princess, when it literally did.

The birth certificates should have their titles on them, not how they are styled (which is much more about choice and public perception)

A lot of people believe that she was never pregnant. Remember the creaking,sliding fake belly with the visible straps? 🤣🤣

Reported for zombieness!

I wish we could have an end to posts full of conspiracy theories around birth and illness. They demean the poster and the subject of the post.

I’ve long half thought the same for similar reasons many as they all freeze eggs on similar shows & some use surrogates - not in whispered tones either. H thinks preg tests take about 30 mins, doesn’t know how gas & air works at Portland & was home inside an hour post epidural. Some mooted she knew & initially bonded with podcast billionaire make-up woman, whose name currently escapes me, as she did just this.

It isn’t out there to do this in her world.

That side she did look to gain weight in face a little with Archie I think. Maybe only for Lilibet?

@Foundationhelp from Spare ‘they ran tests on my hour old son & we were out of there, lift, people carrier, underground carpark & gone. Within two hours we were back at Frogmore’. So an hour ish old baby goes immediately home post birth & epidural?

Oh yes & the Nandos in the delivery suite at Portland, odd, & surely M would veto? Most would order off menu.

Given the lapses from strict veracity in the rest of Spare, I don't think your examples show anything except Harry's 'truth' can't be relied on. No need for weird conspiracy theories.

ZOMBIE THREAD!

I am not a fan of H&M but this is an unpleasant thread.

Sadly, Mumsnet disagree. I reported, but it’s still here.

I agree

Agree- my children were born at the Portland. We had our own room, it was very private and there was no need to rush out. The Midwifes were telling us some people take whole floors out for their privacy. Food wise- it’s 24 hour room service - I even snapshotted the menus as it very very exciting 😂 we could ring down for anything all the time. The nurses looked after me and our babies the same as when I had an NHS birth, with all the regular blood pressure checks constantly until we got the green light to leave. I had an epidural, and until the catheta could come out I was going nowhere- nor did I want to! It’s just very fishy. There’s also a back door entrance (we didn’t use this !) but they plan people leaving with military precision, there was no need for them to rush off.

I always thought it was very rude of them to announce their pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding.

Agreed. There's a lot they can be criticised about (the current monetisation of their children's images), but the weird birth conspiracies are just that, weird.

Edit - spelling

Sounds wonderful. Gas & air via canister that was temperamental & run out seemed jarring too - often piped in?

Am not sure H has helped as what he’s said about birth doesn’t add up esp practically immediately post epidural. I believe consultant they said they’d used also denied I think.

Whilst much is batshit & unkind, if surrogacy - but children being bio yours - is accepted & normal in your circles it will likely be something you’ll contemplate. Also there might be medical reasons for this route if taken. None of our business but arguably the account in Spare invites speculation on this part.

Have you any idea how complicated it would be to have surrogate children involved in the Royal Family? They would not be allowed in the line of succession for a start. It would be completely impossible to keep one, let alone two surrogate births under wraps. Conspiracy theories never work when you start to think about how many people would have to be keeping the secret. This one would involve the government as well. And what for?

It is far more likely that Harry has just been cavalier with the details about what happened around Archie’s birth. We know he has a
loose relationship with actual facts.

All this speculation about the children is deeply unpleasant and also rather ill informed when you think about it

I wouldn’t judge her personally for surrogacy & if a route chosen by her (possibly for medical reasons) for one or other child, she’d be compelled to keep quiet for the very good reasons you give & I think very few would need to know & therefore potentially secrets kept. Her friends do use surrogates & it’s far more normalised & common in her circles, Jamie K Lima for one. People are open about this in their world.

It is very unlikely I agree. It’s unfortunate that changing narratives & extreme embellishment causes speculation ‘we got married first’ etc.

No, lots of people would know and it would have huge implications for the monarchy. What about her obstetrics team? What about the staff? I certainly wouldn’t have a problem with her having a surrogacy, I nor I think anyone else, haven’t said that. The problem is that it would not be possible to keep it as secret as you seem to think and it would involve the RF in all sorts of trouble if they knew 🤷‍♀️. The logistics of having a surrogate not once, but twice and no one ever letting something slip, make the whole thing improbable

I would absolutely judge her for choosing surrogacy.