Harry on Tour

[Mylovelygreendress]

Just looking at the photos of Harry in Lesotho . Don’t know when I last saw him looking so relaxed and happy .
Nice to see.

I doubt there is much else she can say. All the accusations have been smoke and mirrors rather than substance. It sounds as if the RF got her measure early on, and are presumably used to being careful except with people who have proved to be trustworthy.

That is, even if they are obnoxious individuals with lots to hide. They are probably normal individuals muddling along, with some mild faults and mild virtues. So nothing much to hide.

Even if she did say anything nobody would believe a single word she said. The papers would be climbing over themselves to disprove it.

Also remember how much Spare back fired on Harry rather than Charles and William?

But I can't imagine she's sitting at home with the kids baking scones. She'll be plotting her next move.

I doubt there is much else she can say

Oh I’m sure she can conjure up some lies, after all she has form, but I think it’s Harry who will need to keep one eye open if he doesn’t come to heel on command as it’s that relationship which will be her blockbuster.

Do you think H will come to heel?

I wonder how he is really feeling without her. You know that thing when you don't realise how tense someone makes you feel until they aren't there?

Harry is an angry damaged man with alcohol and drug issues. I can absolutely believe that Meghan has some serious dirt on him if things go sour between them. No doubt that thought factors into his decision making at the moment.

There's not much left she can say about the royal family, but Harry? I almost feel sorry for him.

Almost.

I’d bet serious money he’s dirt on her. Plotting. Scheming.,lying. I think they can hurt each other equally.

Who is she going to lay in to - KC3 whilst he is recovering from cancer? W&K whilst they are juggling the same?

However she wasn't concerned about treating her own father with distain when he was very seriously ill - or PP when he was on end of life care when she did OW - or HMTLQ when she threatened in The Cut - 2 days before she died (when the world knew she was on her last legs).

She only has one shot and I think she will keep her powder dry of any expose until she divorces PH - and then it will likely be about him - that's where the dirt will be as others have said MM was likely kept at arms length as no one trusted her so she doesn't really have much insider info ?

But how does his charity work alone create a revenue stream to keep his family in the lifestyle that they have become accustomed to and afford the 24/7 security they require?

I suspect there are clues in the Archewell files but details remain conveniently shrouded.

In the meantime no doubt he's pissing dosh up the wall in his risibly transparent attempts to rehabilitate his image and we're left to wonder which PR firm was both desperate enough to take on the business and gormless enough to think it might work.

They must have tons of dirt on each other, but unless she has photographic evidence nobody will believe her - even at that every image will be scrutinised for photoshop.

Someone once said to me you don't know how nasty someone can be until you fall out with them.

Didn't she tell Gayle King that she had 'the receipts' to refute the Buckingham Palace bullying accusations as well as provocatively mentioning that she had picked up her old diary and notes when she was in Windsor in The Cut interview?

I'ts said he was told to pay 90% of the Home Office's costs following the last failed appeal, , though whether he's coughed up for that yet seems to be unknown

Given the dripfeeds over the mendacious Frogmore 'repayment' deal I wouldn't set any store even by reports allegedly showing him shovelling wads over a counter.

They must have tons of dirt on each other, but unless she has photographic evidence nobody will believe her

Regardless of evidence I think there's still a very, very profitable book in it for Rachel. Not like the lack of provable facts held Harold back after all.

@CathyorClaire

If H's RAVEC latest appeal fails I hall be very cross if he doesn't pay up. He seems to be as a non working member of the Royal Family very free and easy with tax payers' money. This is not a general point about RF and taxpayers' money this is specifically about what seems to be a vexatious case he has brought. I hope when it is finally resolved the moneys are clear and ( & to be truthful I hope his case fails - I can't see he has a proper case other than his hubris ) that it is properly made clear he has personally paid every penny he owes for the litigation.

I would love to think any repayment of costs is crystal clear, verified and proved to be entirely upstanding but the royals (and let's not forget Henry is steeped in the family financial murk) don't think the plebs should be privy to their back-scratching and general rolling.

Undoubtedly there are vaults already in existence on Harold. I don't expect a definitive unsealing until those of us interested are long gone.

If she is (as likely) sitting at home, I hope she is working on launching ARO/successor ARO in the new year (there was a piece a few weeks ago sourced to her friends IIRC saying she’s excited about something happening then)

What have I missed about the Frogmore repayment deal?! I never for a second thought they’d actually forked out £2m and walked away (not Meghan “never give your milk away for free” Markle, or Harry “I had to shop in TK Maxx, ya know” Windsor). Always assumed it was a sleight of Palace accounting, like all their affairs. Was it more than that?

She will slap a smile on her face and carry on as before, pretend like nothing’s happened. The same way she did in all those appearances during their last week as working royals, and each time there’s ever been bad press around them.

2 days before she died (when the world knew she was on her last legs)

Did we? Yes she was getting very frail, but she’d done most of the planned Jubilee events (all except the Derby, wasn’t it?) had gone to Chelsea Flower Show, and had kissed hands with the new PM only 48 hours beforehand.

i remember seeing that pic, and thinking ‘oh good, she’s still fine’

Prince Charles, as he then was, was hosting one of George Bush’s DC (Jenna?) who was also interviewing him for some US publication, and she’d written an account of that morning which showed that the events were not expected. Yes she was old and frail, but I’m not sure death was considered imminent (I’d been vaguely expecting her to retire at the end of the summer, requesting Parliament to install Charles as Prince Regent as her final regnal act, and then pootling about between Sandringham and Balmoral with horses and dogs

She only has one shot and I think she will keep her powder dry of any expose until she divorces PH - and then it will likely be about him - that's where the dirt will be as others have said MM was likely kept at arms length as no one trusted her so she doesn't really have much insider info ?

I don’t think divorce is necessarily on the cards

But agree that there must have come a point when everyone started to be much more guarded around both her and Harry

So although there is a great deal she could say about him (and any family matters he gossiped about), that info is getting older with each day that passes. And if sources via Harry it won’t necessarily be believed anyhow, given his unreliable recall in ‘Spare’

And no-one would trash the father of their children publicly - they’re going to grow up and read this stuff. ‘Spare’ is awful enough for them already without her adding to it.

How she could clean up would be to write an affectionate book about the foibles of the RF. But she’s taken such a public stance of antipathy that such an approach is out of the question.

And no-one would trash the father of their children publicly

I wouldn't be so sure. Remember the Diana interview 3 people in the marriage? If that's not publicly dishing the dirt I don't know what is

Yes she was old and frail, but I’m not sure death was considered imminent

Not imminent, perhaps, but I don't think she expected ever to leave Balmoral again, and the family knew it. Princess Anne has said they had discussions with the Queen about whether it would cause inconvenience if she died there, and she hoped they had convinced her that that wasn't something she needed to worry about, or WTTE.

If I were trying to run PR for 'Harry the statesman' I'd give up I would be beyond exasperated by the fact that he has to square the circle, somehow, of Invictus membership now including Israel and its IDF; the Israel, ME, United Nations, US and UK situation; a bankrupt Birmingham being chosen as an Invictus host; and Harry's insistence on wanting taxpayer-funded security in the UK and rest of the world as an IPP.

I think there’s a difference between saying your STBXH had been having an affair, and talking at length an in detail about the whole history of the marriage and what you thought of his family.

Diana was v loyal to the institution and the family. Her criticisms of Charles were not a ‘tell all’ - there wasn’t much beyond the fact of the affair (which was hugely well known at that point). She wasn’t particularly specific, and the only other criticism was that she, personally, thought that the ‘top job’ would not be a good fit for him. Said to undermine him? Yes. But she made it sound like she was speaking from concern.

She never did any form of exposé of what went on behind closed doors. Harry has gone much further than either of his parents ever did about his family.

And even if you think my thoughts on this are wrong, and that what Diana said did amount to an exposé (and that case could be made depending on what you think the extent of her cooperation in the Morton book was), I think this is the territory of two wrongs not making a right.

The Sussex children are already going to find out loads of stuff most of us never know about our parents. And Ai just don’t see how a loving, child-centred parent would want to add to that be doing a public hatchet job on their father

I don't think HMQs death was imminent or the whole family would have already gathered at Balmoral remember the day she took the turn for the worse, Charles and Camilla were at the other end of Scotland, at Dumfries House in Ayrshire.

But I agree the family knew she had cancer so it was fairly obvious that she was counting months, rather than years. I remember thinking her jubilee speach was a 'goodbye' Charles would do Christmas

@EdithWeston fair point on Diana.

I'm not sure how 'child centred' Meghan is.
I can see the mud fly, but I don't think she'll be believed.

Maybe H would be best advised, never complain never explain