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Harry on Tour

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Mylovelygreendress · 03/10/2024 08:04

Just looking at the photos of Harry in Lesotho . Don’t know when I last saw him looking so relaxed and happy .
Nice to see.

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Uricon2 · 08/10/2024 16:34

Lifestooshort71 · 08/10/2024 16:33

Is all this chat about them being in the UK for Christmas just speculation? Is it just a rumour that's grown legs?

My view is that it's the usual speculation.

SqueakyDinosaur · 08/10/2024 16:37

Charles Spencer is not a nice man. At his first wedding, to model Victoria Lockwood, he is reported to have said in his speech, "Marriage is about thick and thin. And those of you that know Victoria know that she's pretty thick - and as all of you can see, she's also bloody thin."

Needanewname42 · 08/10/2024 16:41

I definitely cannot see Charles being in the same room as Meghan - ever ever ever, that's just not going to happen.

Would Harry visit C&C without Meghan?

Needanewname42 · 08/10/2024 16:42

SqueakyDinosaur · 08/10/2024 16:37

Charles Spencer is not a nice man. At his first wedding, to model Victoria Lockwood, he is reported to have said in his speech, "Marriage is about thick and thin. And those of you that know Victoria know that she's pretty thick - and as all of you can see, she's also bloody thin."

His speach at Di's funeral wasn't very nice either.

Uricon2 · 08/10/2024 16:45

Needanewname42 · 08/10/2024 16:41

I definitely cannot see Charles being in the same room as Meghan - ever ever ever, that's just not going to happen.

Would Harry visit C&C without Meghan?

The rapid transatlantic fight when he found out Charles was ill, for what turned out to be a ? 20 minute cup of tea, before C&C fled Clarence House, makes me think that it is unlikely. Really sad, actually, but you can see why there would be trust issues given the recent past.

ETA, I've also read 40 minutes, in fairness.

Mylovelygreendress · 08/10/2024 17:08

Harry’s flight was delayed so arrived late . Charles had a helicopter waiting to take him and Camilla to Sandringham. It struck me as strange that Harry wasn’t invited to Sandringham for a couple of days . C and C must really distrust him.

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Needanewname42 · 08/10/2024 17:17

Yes it's was a clear sign trust was demolished. Was it just after Spare was released too?

CoffeeCantata · 08/10/2024 17:35

Mylovelygreendress · 08/10/2024 17:08

Harry’s flight was delayed so arrived late . Charles had a helicopter waiting to take him and Camilla to Sandringham. It struck me as strange that Harry wasn’t invited to Sandringham for a couple of days . C and C must really distrust him.

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I'm sure all the RF have been advised not to see Harry without 'witnesses' present, either in the from of courtiers or lawyers. And he'd need checking for devices too!

MissRoseDurward · 08/10/2024 18:02

It struck me as strange that Harry wasn’t invited to Sandringham for a couple of days .

Perhaps he was, and refused?

Not sure if it was this occasion, but allegedly H once tried to insist that Camilla wasn't present when he saw his father. He's not going to be invited anywhere if he tries to impose conditions like that.

AskingQuestions45 · 08/10/2024 18:13

Mylovelygreendress · 08/10/2024 17:08

Harry’s flight was delayed so arrived late . Charles had a helicopter waiting to take him and Camilla to Sandringham. It struck me as strange that Harry wasn’t invited to Sandringham for a couple of days . C and C must really distrust him.

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Of course he’s not going to be invited to Sandringham. The atmosphere would be awful. Everyone would avoid them, anyone who had an excuse not to go wouldn’t. William and Kate wouldn’t for a start. It would be beyond awkward. Meghan is never ever going to go again, even if invited. She clearly hates them all.

Mylovelygreendress · 08/10/2024 19:32

AskingQuestions45 · 08/10/2024 18:13

Of course he’s not going to be invited to Sandringham. The atmosphere would be awful. Everyone would avoid them, anyone who had an excuse not to go wouldn’t. William and Kate wouldn’t for a start. It would be beyond awkward. Meghan is never ever going to go again, even if invited. She clearly hates them all.

Such a pity she is forced to use the title bestowed by that horrible family and had to accept titles for her DC.
Oh wait …..

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AskingQuestions45 · 08/10/2024 22:25

Mylovelygreendress · 08/10/2024 19:32

Such a pity she is forced to use the title bestowed by that horrible family and had to accept titles for her DC.
Oh wait …..

Well yes, exactly. She’s an utter hypocrite. They both are.

SqueakyDinosaur · 08/10/2024 22:29

At one point during the Tom Bradby interview with Harry, TB asks him about giving up their titles. Harry's response is completely visceral - "And what difference would that make?" and his expression and demeanour are incredibly hostile. Well, it might convince a republic that you're committed to them, as a resident....

letthemalldoone · 08/10/2024 22:34

SqueakyDinosaur · 08/10/2024 22:29

At one point during the Tom Bradby interview with Harry, TB asks him about giving up their titles. Harry's response is completely visceral - "And what difference would that make?" and his expression and demeanour are incredibly hostile. Well, it might convince a republic that you're committed to them, as a resident....

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Bradby should have asked what need do they have of them, seeing they're not working royals? Lili has barely set foot in the UK yet she's a British Princess! It's nuts!

Onlyonekenobe · 08/10/2024 23:05

Mylovelygreendress · 08/10/2024 19:32

Such a pity she is forced to use the title bestowed by that horrible family and had to accept titles for her DC.
Oh wait …..

Didn’t she say that the children’s titles were their birthright? Put that with “collaborate with the Queen”, and “she doesn’t own the word ‘royal’” and I think their thinking is that the institution is bigger than the people in it. One day the head was QEII, next day it’s CIII, soon it’ll be King William IV (?). They see themselves and their children as the current holders of whatever titles they hold, as bestowed upon them by past legislation and letters patent and whatever else. Not granted at the discretion of this person or that.

Which is funny, really, when you think Harry says his dad can with the flick of a hand change his security position, for example. So clearly there is some discretion the monarch can exercise. I suspect they’ll feel the burn of that discretion more when William ascends to the throne.

The irony is that in much the way the titles of Duke and Duchess of Windsor have been forever tarnished (doubt they’d be used again one the lifetimes of my as yet non-existent great grandchildren), so too the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. And with Archie and Lilibet, more American than they are British notwithstanding their grandfather being the actual king, even “Prince” and “Princess” are being diminished. The British royal family will become like any of the continental monarchies, with random rogue princes and princesses living all over the place doing not-BRF things. It’s the start of a new era for the monarchy. I suppose it chimes with the open acceptance of Britain’s diminished worldwide status post-Brexit, openly referred to in parliament and elsewhere. Just not top drawer anymore.

QEII really was of an already bygone era.

letthemalldoone · 08/10/2024 23:19

@Onlyonekenobe William V I think? There's already been a 4th.

MrsLeonFarrell · 09/10/2024 07:52

@Onlyonekenobe

I think the possibility of tenuously connected people with royal titles is why Anne and Edward's children have avoided royal titles. It's also why the Dukedom of Edinburgh was only bestowed for Edward's lifetime. I think that will be the pattern for royal dukedoms going forward. It's a pity Andrew, like Harry, was too arrogant and entitled to refuse titles for his family.

I suspect William will write new Letters Patent and limit the titles still further. The 1917 set limited titles in a way that was suitable for an age where you needed more working family members, to be seen to be believed as it were. In the social media age, and with tv, they are seen far more widely and you don't need as many. The monarchy does change but it never does so quickly, which probably avoids fads but can be seen as a little behind the times.

I predict that at some point the Sussex dukedom will be life limited or removed but not until the fuss dies down.

AskingQuestions45 · 09/10/2024 08:07

SqueakyDinosaur · 08/10/2024 22:29

At one point during the Tom Bradby interview with Harry, TB asks him about giving up their titles. Harry's response is completely visceral - "And what difference would that make?" and his expression and demeanour are incredibly hostile. Well, it might convince a republic that you're committed to them, as a resident....

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Yes he was so hostile! If he doesn’t understand the point TB was making he really is dense.

smilesy · 09/10/2024 08:10

MrsLeonFarrell · 09/10/2024 07:52

@Onlyonekenobe

I think the possibility of tenuously connected people with royal titles is why Anne and Edward's children have avoided royal titles. It's also why the Dukedom of Edinburgh was only bestowed for Edward's lifetime. I think that will be the pattern for royal dukedoms going forward. It's a pity Andrew, like Harry, was too arrogant and entitled to refuse titles for his family.

I suspect William will write new Letters Patent and limit the titles still further. The 1917 set limited titles in a way that was suitable for an age where you needed more working family members, to be seen to be believed as it were. In the social media age, and with tv, they are seen far more widely and you don't need as many. The monarchy does change but it never does so quickly, which probably avoids fads but can be seen as a little behind the times.

I predict that at some point the Sussex dukedom will be life limited or removed but not until the fuss dies down.

I don’t think William would necessarily have to hold of for long before limiting the Sussex dukedom. As long as it was part of a general streamlining, he has the perfect excuse to limit it as he can say it’s because they are not domiciled in the UK. I don’t think anyone (apart from the Sussexes themselves) could disagree with that being reasonable

AskingQuestions45 · 09/10/2024 08:12

It will be really interesting to see what William does when he becomes King. I was alarmed to read that Charles is still having cancer treatment. That doesn’t sound good.

smilesy · 09/10/2024 08:15

Going back to the thread title (sort of), do we know where Harry is? Is he back in California yet?

MrsLeonFarrell · 09/10/2024 08:35

smilesy · 09/10/2024 08:10

I don’t think William would necessarily have to hold of for long before limiting the Sussex dukedom. As long as it was part of a general streamlining, he has the perfect excuse to limit it as he can say it’s because they are not domiciled in the UK. I don’t think anyone (apart from the Sussexes themselves) could disagree with that being reasonable

It really does depend on what happens in the next five years with the Sussexes doesn't it. I don't think William will risk disapproval but there may not be much if he presents the decision in the right way.

theemptinessmachine · 09/10/2024 08:35

smilesy · 09/10/2024 08:15

Going back to the thread title (sort of), do we know where Harry is? Is he back in California yet?

Where's Wally ? 🤷‍♀️

MrsLeonFarrell · 09/10/2024 08:35

smilesy · 09/10/2024 08:15

Going back to the thread title (sort of), do we know where Harry is? Is he back in California yet?

I assume he is home by now but who knows. For someone who is scared to come here with his family, his family seem pretty secure and protected from even a rumour.

smilesy · 09/10/2024 09:16

MrsLeonFarrell · 09/10/2024 08:35

I assume he is home by now but who knows. For someone who is scared to come here with his family, his family seem pretty secure and protected from even a rumour.

This is what really annoys me about his “security issues”. He arrived here before the Well Child awards without any fuss or anyone noticing. He may well have been back here in his way back to the States but if so he was well under the radar. It makes a complete nonsense of them “not being safe” in the UK and strongly suggests that the only reason he is braying for security is so that they are actually noticed when they have outriders etc 😡

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